Boy scout leader jailed for "possession of a bullet" - The Firearms Forum

jstgsn · 07-20-2011, 07:11 PM

Coming back from a scuba trip in Nassau, a Mo. man was found to have a .32 bullet in his back pack and was jailed for four days. He thinks it was from a hunting trip.
That's what we are coming to. Holy crap, where's the tylenol?

cycloneman · 07-20-2011, 07:20 PM

looks like he was in the bahamas but our tsa didn't catch it.

lesson learned - stay here and dont get on a plane. its that simple. your not missing anything the lower 48 doesnt have

American Leader · 07-20-2011, 07:57 PM

What a bunch of BS!

Albtraum · 07-20-2011, 09:08 PM

Never knew having a live round/bullet/shotgun shell is illegal. Hmm.

3Dub · 07-20-2011, 09:46 PM

Nothing new here as far as the Bahamas goes - I read of same thing happening to another tourist there 10 or more years ago. They found one .22 rimfire cartridge in his luggage.

jstgsn · 07-20-2011, 10:11 PM

I hate to be the one yelling "fire" in the movie theater, but this type of thing is what many in our country are looking to bring to our shores. Talks about $1 per bullet taxes, and so forth are all aimed at disaming our citizens. All to many are defending this "idiot in chief" because of his claim of being a Democrat. Others defend him because all their lives they have been taught socialist policy and what he is spewing sounds so "loving and caring".

The silent majorty ( well it used to be a majority) must stand up now, or forever hold their piece. (and brother, I mean you better hold your "piece" and keep it loaded.) People are being arrested for "growing vegitibles" in their front yard, selling lemonaide on thier sidewalk, taxed for owning a cat, or a dog, or ten thousand other things, their properties are being siezed for the common good, and God is being removed from everything in their lives. (When they outlawed the mention of God at our Vet cemertary it should have caused an armed revolution!!!)

This administration is circumventing Congress to control TV content, radio content, education content, gun control, and on and on. They are doing everything they can to "fix" the next election. Wait until you see who votes in this next election. Many of your deceased relatives and friends have suddenly turned Democratic and are even now walking toward the poles.

Meanwhile, our POS president is doing everything in his power to bring this country to it's knees in order to gain more power. And many of the pos rhino republicans are ready to get on their knees and kiss anything that comes there way to ensure they stay in power.

boys and girls, keep your powder dry and brace yourselves. bad times are coming.

God bless the USA.

millwright · 07-20-2011, 11:30 PM

Well, was it a "bullet" or was it a cartridge ? A world of difference betwixt the two !

Presumming it was a cartridge, its like having just a "smidgen of dope" or having just a "few stacks of hundreds " in cash. Gonna raise the eyebrows of any customs agent. Americans never seem to learn other countries don't have our "Lib/Prog" government mentality for casual visitors.

IOW, FTFR ! Don't know them ? All of them ? Don't go !
BTW, pretty much the same rules apply inside the environs of Washington, D.C. >MW

hogger129 · 07-21-2011, 10:11 AM

Come on this is just a little over the top. Jailed for a bullet in his backpack?

joncutt87 · 07-21-2011, 12:08 PM

What, was he going to try to hit someone in the head with it?

carver · 07-21-2011, 01:31 PM

He was going to throw it and kill 40 people!

I keep my butt off airplanes, and stay right here in the good ole U.S.A.! I have been to Canada, and Mexico in the past, but have no intentions of going to either country again. If I was 21 and set out to see all the things in this country, I wouldn't live long enough to get the job done! Why go somewhere else! Stay here, and support your fellow countryman!

joncutt87 · 07-21-2011, 01:48 PM

+1 carver

I rarely leave the surrounding states

Juker · 07-21-2011, 01:52 PM

+2

I wouldn't mind visiting Jack in Australia and learning a few things, but other than that, if I can't drive (armed), I ain't goin'.

Except for those states, of course, where it's illegal for me to have my 2nd amendment rights and travel with a weapon in my vehicle, in which instance I would never, ever do such a thing....

joncutt87 · 07-21-2011, 02:05 PM

Of course Juker, why would anyone do such a thing?

joncutt87 · 07-21-2011, 02:07 PM

I would like to visit Jack too, too bad I couldn't take my Remington 14. He said that they're illegal in some places there.

Jim K · 07-21-2011, 02:16 PM

This is the kind of thing that causes me a combination of concern and amusement when people post on a gun site that they want to travel all over the world and ask what kind of gun should they carry. People try to tell them that even if somehow they got the gun on an airplane and out of the U.S. they would almost certainly be imprisoned or even executed in any other country just for having the gun. The response is always that they have a CCW permit from Utah or Texas or some place, and that makes it legal to carry in Ghana or Kenya or England.

Then the ninnies start to rant about Second Amendment rights, never mind that the U.S. Constitution doesn't apply in Africa or Asia (or some American states). Then some fake "veteran" chimes in with how he carried a gun at the Marne, on D-Day, in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan (he would have to be about 120 years old) and he has the right .... blah, blah.

I never know whether to laugh or cry.

Jim

carver · 07-21-2011, 02:17 PM

Y'all don't get my wrong, there are a lot of places in this old world I would love to see, but the price is just too high in our currant World Political arena. I would love to go to Isrial, but I would probably join their military, in what ever capacity they would have me, and never come back! I don't care what the rest of the world says, or does, where Isrial is concerned, I will stand with them, and for them!

Marlin T · 07-21-2011, 02:33 PM

Moral of the story, if you are going to fly DO NOT USE YOUR RANGE BAG!

If you have had ammo in your range bag it will most likely set off explosive detecting machine or tip off the cop dogs.

If you are going to Mexico I wouldn't even want a spent shell casing in your vehicle or anywhere around. One bullet, one trip to jail.

Don't get me wrong I feel bad for this guy, but you have to know the laws of where you are going. Same thing applies here in the States too, like Juker pointed out.
Ignorance of the law is never an excuse.

Double D · 07-21-2011, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim K

This is the kind of thing that causes me a combination of concern and amusement when people post on a gun site that they want to travel all over the world and ask what kind of gun should they carry. People try to tell them that even if somehow they got the gun on an airplane and out of the U.S. they would almost certainly be imprisoned or even executed in any other country just for having the gun. The response is always that they have a CCW permit from Utah or Texas or some place, and that makes it legal to carry in Ghana or Kenya or England.

Then the ninnies start to rant about Second Amendment rights, never mind that the U.S. Constitution doesn't apply in Africa or Asia (or some American states). Then some fake "veteran" chimes in with how he carried a gun at the Marne, on D-Day, in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan (he would have to be about 120 years old) and he has the right .... blah, blah.

I never know whether to laugh or cry.

Jim

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al45lc · 07-22-2011, 08:54 AM

Where's the common sense? I made the mistake of going into Rocky Flats(Federal Nuclear trigger facility) years ago in my personnal vehicle on an emergency repair call and the security guys found a spent .22 casing on the floor boards, probably from someones boot lugs. They tore my truck apart searching for the gun, even though I had been there dozens of times and had even discussed firearms and hunting with one of the guys(who was present during the search) on several occassions. The idiot in charge said to me" We have evidence you've been in the presence of firearms". To which I replied," Yeah, well, you realize this IS America, don't you?"
They even removed the liners in the doors and the back of the cab wall, do you know how hard it is to replace those properly?

dad2thebone · 07-22-2011, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juker

+2

I wouldn't mind visiting Jack in Australia and learning a few things, but other than that, if I can't drive (armed), I ain't goin'.

Except for those states, of course, where it's illegal for me to have my 2nd amendment rights and travel with a weapon in my vehicle, in which instance I would never, ever do such a thing....

I'll ride with you, see the sights and watch for cops hahaha

Juker · 07-22-2011, 01:49 PM

Along with all that TSA groping of one's privates - before long they'll have everyone stripping down and flying in hospital gowns. More uber-reactionary B.S. One shoe bomber, and billions of people are having their shoes checked. One underwear bomber, and loose the hounds to legally grab your junk.

Nossiree, I'll pass on that particular invasion.

Maybe airlines could just post a "Fly at your own risk" disclaimer...

langenc · 07-22-2011, 07:56 PM

Dont bet the same thing wouldnt have happened with an EMPTY 22 LR case. Going to Canada Ill bet it would have..

Stay out of Canada!!

Hatch · 07-23-2011, 01:30 AM

DD I dont know now much International travel you do from FL, but I can tell you that bringing a Weapon, of any kind, is a major offense in Mexico (and having grown up and lived in border states all my life, it's of particular interest to me!)

There was a case when a guy from AZ was arrested in Mexico and thrown in jail, for having a single spent cartridge in his trunk. He was jailed, not charged, he was not allowed what we would call "due process" here in the US, and I was a spectator to the entire thing! one of his best friends worked next to me, and I heard the daily phone calls... getting this guy food, pressuring the consulate, talking to private attorneys... it took MONTHS!!! and this is our ally, Mexico, in the early 90's... and wasnt even a gun or loaded ammo.

TWICE... I've accidentally imported ammo into Mexico without even realizing it. Once it was in my travel bag, I had 2 speed loaders with hydra-shok and somehow they mysteriously vanished while I was taking my morning swim in the ocean, the other time I was riding with a buddy from work and he realized he had maybe 20 - 50 shotgun shells in his truck toolbox and we were already past the point of no return to the US... I said "just play it cool, let them look wherever they want to look, act like we have nothing and we're happy to be here spending money and chasing girls" and once we got past border inspection we radioed our buddies in the other cars and pulled over in the middle of nowhere and promptly removed about 40 felonies from the vehicle.

DO NOT think that our "rights" apply anywhere else. You will be sorely mistaken.

07-20-2011, 07:11 PM	#1
jstgsn Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Milford, Delaware Contributor Posts: 1,314	Boy scout leader jailed for "possession of a bullet" Coming back from a scuba trip in Nassau, a Mo. man was found to have a .32 bullet in his back pack and was jailed for four days. He thinks it was from a hunting trip. That's what we are coming to. Holy crap, where's the tylenol? -->

07-20-2011, 07:20 PM	#2
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,436	Re: Boy scout leader jailed for "possession of a bullet" looks like he was in the bahamas but our tsa didn't catch it. lesson learned - stay here and dont get on a plane. its that simple. your not missing anything the lower 48 doesnt have __________________ Who are you going to serve today?

07-20-2011, 07:57 PM	#3
American Leader Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Iowa Contributor Posts: 1,630	Re: Boy scout leader jailed for "possession of a bullet" What a bunch of BS!

07-20-2011, 09:08 PM	#4
Albtraum Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: California Posts: 686	Re: Boy scout leader jailed for "possession of a bullet" Never knew having a live round/bullet/shotgun shell is illegal. Hmm.

07-20-2011, 09:46 PM	#5
3Dub Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: "The 321" Posts: 16	Re: Boy scout leader jailed for "possession of a bullet" Nothing new here as far as the Bahamas goes - I read of same thing happening to another tourist there 10 or more years ago. They found one .22 rimfire cartridge in his luggage.

07-20-2011, 10:11 PM	#6
jstgsn Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Milford, Delaware Contributor Posts: 1,314	Re: Boy scout leader jailed for "possession of a bullet" I hate to be the one yelling "fire" in the movie theater, but this type of thing is what many in our country are looking to bring to our shores. Talks about $1 per bullet taxes, and so forth are all aimed at disaming our citizens. All to many are defending this "idiot in chief" because of his claim of being a Democrat. Others defend him because all their lives they have been taught socialist policy and what he is spewing sounds so "loving and caring". The silent majorty ( well it used to be a majority) must stand up now, or forever hold their piece. (and brother, I mean you better hold your "piece" and keep it loaded.) People are being arrested for "growing vegitibles" in their front yard, selling lemonaide on thier sidewalk, taxed for owning a cat, or a dog, or ten thousand other things, their properties are being siezed for the common good, and God is being removed from everything in their lives. (When they outlawed the mention of God at our Vet cemertary it should have caused an armed revolution!!!) This administration is circumventing Congress to control TV content, radio content, education content, gun control, and on and on. They are doing everything they can to "fix" the next election. Wait until you see who votes in this next election. Many of your deceased relatives and friends have suddenly turned Democratic and are even now walking toward the poles. Meanwhile, our POS president is doing everything in his power to bring this country to it's knees in order to gain more power. And many of the pos rhino republicans are ready to get on their knees and kiss anything that comes there way to ensure they stay in power. boys and girls, keep your powder dry and brace yourselves. bad times are coming. God bless the USA.

07-20-2011, 11:30 PM	#7
millwright Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,443	Re: Boy scout leader jailed for "possession of a bullet" Well, was it a "bullet" or was it a cartridge ? A world of difference betwixt the two ! Presumming it was a cartridge, its like having just a "smidgen of dope" or having just a "few stacks of hundreds " in cash. Gonna raise the eyebrows of any customs agent. Americans never seem to learn other countries don't have our "Lib/Prog" government mentality for casual visitors. IOW, FTFR ! Don't know them ? All of them ? Don't go ! BTW, pretty much the same rules apply inside the environs of Washington, D.C. >MW Last edited by millwright; 07-21-2011 at 03:30 PM.. Reason: Clarity

07-21-2011, 10:11 AM	#8
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,078	Re: Boy scout leader jailed for "possession of a bullet" Come on this is just a little over the top. Jailed for a bullet in his backpack? __________________ Samuel Adams once said, "among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can."

07-21-2011, 12:08 PM	#9
joncutt87 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Kannapolis, NC Contributor Posts: 1,419	Re: Boy scout leader jailed for "possession of a bullet" What, was he going to try to hit someone in the head with it?

07-21-2011, 01:31 PM	#10
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,547	Re: Boy scout leader jailed for "possession of a bullet" He was going to throw it and kill 40 people! I keep my butt off airplanes, and stay right here in the good ole U.S.A.! I have been to Canada, and Mexico in the past, but have no intentions of going to either country again. If I was 21 and set out to see all the things in this country, I wouldn't live long enough to get the job done! Why go somewhere else! Stay here, and support your fellow countryman! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

07-21-2011, 01:48 PM	#11
joncutt87 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Kannapolis, NC Contributor Posts: 1,419	Re: Boy scout leader jailed for "possession of a bullet" +1 carver I rarely leave the surrounding states

07-21-2011, 01:52 PM	#12
Juker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Land of Lincoln Contributor Posts: 2,872	Re: Boy scout leader jailed for "possession of a bullet" +2 I wouldn't mind visiting Jack in Australia and learning a few things, but other than that, if I can't drive (armed), I ain't goin'. Except for those states, of course, where it's illegal for me to have my 2nd amendment rights and travel with a weapon in my vehicle, in which instance I would never, ever do such a thing.... __________________ SHOOT FIRST. SHOOT SECOND. MOST IMPORTANTLY, BE THE MAN WHO'S SHOOTING LAST.

07-21-2011, 02:05 PM	#13
joncutt87 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Kannapolis, NC Contributor Posts: 1,419	Re: Boy scout leader jailed for "possession of a bullet" Of course Juker, why would anyone do such a thing?

07-21-2011, 02:07 PM	#14
joncutt87 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Kannapolis, NC Contributor Posts: 1,419	Re: Boy scout leader jailed for "possession of a bullet" I would like to visit Jack too, too bad I couldn't take my Remington 14. He said that they're illegal in some places there.

07-21-2011, 02:16 PM	#15
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: Boy scout leader jailed for "possession of a bullet" This is the kind of thing that causes me a combination of concern and amusement when people post on a gun site that they want to travel all over the world and ask what kind of gun should they carry. People try to tell them that even if somehow they got the gun on an airplane and out of the U.S. they would almost certainly be imprisoned or even executed in any other country just for having the gun. The response is always that they have a CCW permit from Utah or Texas or some place, and that makes it legal to carry in Ghana or Kenya or England. Then the ninnies start to rant about Second Amendment rights, never mind that the U.S. Constitution doesn't apply in Africa or Asia (or some American states). Then some fake "veteran" chimes in with how he carried a gun at the Marne, on D-Day, in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan (he would have to be about 120 years old) and he has the right .... blah, blah. I never know whether to laugh or cry. Jim

07-21-2011, 02:17 PM	#16
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,547	Re: Boy scout leader jailed for "possession of a bullet" Y'all don't get my wrong, there are a lot of places in this old world I would love to see, but the price is just too high in our currant World Political arena. I would love to go to Isrial, but I would probably join their military, in what ever capacity they would have me, and never come back! I don't care what the rest of the world says, or does, where Isrial is concerned, I will stand with them, and for them! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old. Last edited by carver; 07-21-2011 at 02:18 PM..

07-21-2011, 02:33 PM	#17
Marlin T Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Mexico Posts: 7,857	Re: Boy scout leader jailed for "possession of a bullet" Moral of the story, if you are going to fly DO NOT USE YOUR RANGE BAG! If you have had ammo in your range bag it will most likely set off explosive detecting machine or tip off the cop dogs. If you are going to Mexico I wouldn't even want a spent shell casing in your vehicle or anywhere around. One bullet, one trip to jail. Don't get me wrong I feel bad for this guy, but you have to know the laws of where you are going. Same thing applies here in the States too, like Juker pointed out. Ignorance of the law is never an excuse. __________________ "But the simple truth--born of experience--is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people." Judge Alex Kozinski - United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. - Thomas Paine Did you read todays GOOD shooting? >>>KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM <<<

07-22-2011, 08:54 AM	#19
al45lc Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: colorful colorado Posts: 1,022	Re: Boy scout leader jailed for "possession of a bullet" Where's the common sense? I made the mistake of going into Rocky Flats(Federal Nuclear trigger facility) years ago in my personnal vehicle on an emergency repair call and the security guys found a spent .22 casing on the floor boards, probably from someones boot lugs. They tore my truck apart searching for the gun, even though I had been there dozens of times and had even discussed firearms and hunting with one of the guys(who was present during the search) on several occassions. The idiot in charge said to me" We have evidence you've been in the presence of firearms". To which I replied," Yeah, well, you realize this IS America, don't you?" They even removed the liners in the doors and the back of the cab wall, do you know how hard it is to replace those properly? __________________ You are what you do, when it counts. Last edited by al45lc; 07-22-2011 at 08:56 AM..

07-22-2011, 01:49 PM	#21
Juker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Land of Lincoln Contributor Posts: 2,872	Re: Boy scout leader jailed for "possession of a bullet" Along with all that TSA groping of one's privates - before long they'll have everyone stripping down and flying in hospital gowns. More uber-reactionary B.S. One shoe bomber, and billions of people are having their shoes checked. One underwear bomber, and loose the hounds to legally grab your junk. Nossiree, I'll pass on that particular invasion. Maybe airlines could just post a "Fly at your own risk" disclaimer... __________________ SHOOT FIRST. SHOOT SECOND. MOST IMPORTANTLY, BE THE MAN WHO'S SHOOTING LAST.

07-22-2011, 07:56 PM	#22
langenc V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Montmorency Co, MI Posts: 428	Re: Boy scout leader jailed for "possession of a bullet" Dont bet the same thing wouldnt have happened with an EMPTY 22 LR case. Going to Canada Ill bet it would have.. Stay out of Canada!!

07-23-2011, 01:30 AM	#23
Hatch Former Guest Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 287	Re: Boy scout leader jailed for "possession of a bullet" DD I dont know now much International travel you do from FL, but I can tell you that bringing a Weapon, of any kind, is a major offense in Mexico (and having grown up and lived in border states all my life, it's of particular interest to me!) There was a case when a guy from AZ was arrested in Mexico and thrown in jail, for having a single spent cartridge in his trunk. He was jailed, not charged, he was not allowed what we would call "due process" here in the US, and I was a spectator to the entire thing! one of his best friends worked next to me, and I heard the daily phone calls... getting this guy food, pressuring the consulate, talking to private attorneys... it took MONTHS!!! and this is our ally, Mexico, in the early 90's... and wasnt even a gun or loaded ammo. TWICE... I've accidentally imported ammo into Mexico without even realizing it. Once it was in my travel bag, I had 2 speed loaders with hydra-shok and somehow they mysteriously vanished while I was taking my morning swim in the ocean, the other time I was riding with a buddy from work and he realized he had maybe 20 - 50 shotgun shells in his truck toolbox and we were already past the point of no return to the US... I said "just play it cool, let them look wherever they want to look, act like we have nothing and we're happy to be here spending money and chasing girls" and once we got past border inspection we radioed our buddies in the other cars and pulled over in the middle of nowhere and promptly removed about 40 felonies from the vehicle. DO NOT think that our "rights" apply anywhere else. You will be sorely mistaken.