Could someone explain something to me please?

hogger129 · 08-08-2011, 09:55 AM

I'm sure you have all heard about John Kerry blaming the Tea Party for the downgrading of the United States' credit rating and for the S&P dropping so much. Or John McCain or Joe Biden ripping the Tea Party.

Can someone please explain to me how any of this is the fault of the Tea Party?

The Tea Party to me is people standing up for more government accountability, less executive power for the government, and less spending - which is something anybody with a shred of common sense would want. Yet the Tea Party are labeled as terrorists, racists or anything else that people can pin on them.

I saw one of these rallies and they just seem like a bunch of normal people.

Every day I get more and more disappointed about the lies from the left. Here in Wisconsin is bad enough. They are recalling a bunch of Republicans because they put the kabosh on their collective bargaining rights.

It just irks me to the point where I don't even want to listen to the news.

jlloyd73 · 08-08-2011, 09:59 AM

It is the Tea Party's fault......we didn't let the "lefties" get their way. Personally I am glad they are acting like this. Maybe some of the idiots that voted Obozo in will realize what scum the Democrats are.

jbmid1 · 08-08-2011, 10:34 AM

If they had accepted the tea party's proposals, we would not have been downgraded.

ofitg · 08-08-2011, 11:07 AM

S&P warned that they would downgrade our credit rating if we didn't cut $4 trillion from the debt. Well, now they did it. Surprise, surprise.

I haven't seen the list of names, but according to this article - http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...740b574e11.241 - half of the House Tea Party caucus voted to pass the Boehner-Reid-Obama compromise.

My hat is off to the 28 Tea Party representatives who voted against the compromise. They deserve to get reelected.

carver · 08-08-2011, 11:17 AM

I am a member of the Tea Party, and the reason everyone on the left is blaming us is because we are against them. We held our elected officials to a high standard, and some of them did just what America needed them to do. The left actually does believe that more spending will get them to their goal, that being the destruction of America. They (the politicians) have spent us into bankruptcy, and this little episode did not give those on the Left what they wanted, a higher debt ceiling, and more taxes to spend. They won't except the blame for our failing economy, so they place the blame on anything that they think the public might accept, the Tea Party. You know how it is: "It's not my fault I use drugs, commit crimes, and just be stupid, I had a bad child hood".

cutter · 08-08-2011, 12:16 PM

I hear ya Carver!! I am proud to be a Tea Partier! They can call me all the names they want to, we are getting to them and they just can't stand it!!!

Double D · 08-08-2011, 12:24 PM

Hogger, if their lips are moving, they are lying. I dont listen to a word they say. They are mentally challenged and arent worth the time or effort. The sooner you identify liberalism as a mental disorder, the better off you are.

AL MOUNT · 08-08-2011, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by carver

I am a member of the Tea Party, .

Me too.. since it started,

They demonize us because they fear us...

Bobitis · 08-08-2011, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jbmid1

If they had accepted the tea party's proposals, we would not have been downgraded.

It's sad how many don't/refuse to understand this.

What the downgrade means is, the world no longer has confidence in the USA and its fiscal policies.

A handfull of freshmen brought this to the attention of the vast majority and they have been villified.

The truth will set you free, but 1st, it will pi** you off.

What we are seeing is the spanking of a spoiled brat. Will we pay attention?

graehaven · 08-08-2011, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cutter

I hear ya Carver!! I am proud to be a Tea Partier! They can call me all the names they want to, we are getting to them and they just can't stand it!!!

How are we "getting to them?" They still raised the debt ceiling. The American people still LOST.

And why?

Because the Republicans are a bunch of wishy-washy, no backbone losers, and they sold out the country....AGAIN.

And from this group, will be the next "savior" republican presidential candidate, because he/she is NOT a democrat/Obama.

Unbelievable.

Principles matter.

Double D · 08-08-2011, 03:14 PM

Remember, ONE more liberal appointment to the supreme court and we are SOL. We cant risk it.

al45lc · 08-08-2011, 04:02 PM

Let's see, a relatively 'new' movement has more power to influence than the long time, financially well heeled demmies?
If I were a demmie, I'd be upset that my party is so poor at what I payed them so much to do. Didn't they say, "yes we can"?
How many years over the past 50 have the demmies been been in control of Congress?
I'm impressed with the Tea Party's power!
No offense guys, it's tongue-in-cheek. Just how stupid do they really think we are to believe this B.S.? I laughed so hard when I heard it I almost blew my morning coffee!

Juker · 08-08-2011, 04:03 PM

From "terrorists" to "Tea Party Downgrade" - their childish, ludicrous jabs make me chuckle. The Dems have completely failed under Obummer/Pelosi/Reid. They accomplished NOTHING, and now they want to divert attention from their failure by blaming law-abiding citizens.

Credit downgrade, unemployment, economy in the toilet. Screw it, let Wall Street crash. Maybe it's what we need - a political enema, a complete upheaval, a revolution.

Between this and the 'Day of Rage', maybe we can thin the herd.

The Duke · 08-08-2011, 05:04 PM

Yep...I suppose us Tea Partyers are the only ones who want to change the 'status quo' that the Washington professional politician jerks got us into in the first place...Well...they blamed Bush, now I suppose its our turn to fade the heat...They dont know what heat is, least ways until 2012.

They better install revolving doors on Capitol Hill, cuz the traffic flow in and out is going to be unimaginable.

Airdale · 08-08-2011, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

Hogger, if their lips are moving, they are lying. I dont listen to a word they say. They are mentally challenged and arent worth the time or effort. The sooner you identify liberalism as a mental disorder, the better off you are.

graehaven · 08-08-2011, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Duke

They better install revolving doors on Capitol Hill, cuz the traffic flow in and out is going to be unimaginable.

Yet, this has been said before, and the same jackwagons keep getting RE-ELECTED! And we keep re-electing the same republicans full of bull crap that lie and lie and lie and lie and lie their way back in to office term after term.

I'll believe it when I see it. MOST of the republicans up there are useless.

The machine won't allow change.

ofitg · 08-08-2011, 06:47 PM

Here's a list of the 66 House Republicans (including 28 Tea Party freshman) who voted AGAINST the Boehner-Reid-Obama compromise. I won't fault these people for what the other Republicans did.
It looks to me like 85% of the House of Representatives is worthless.

millwright · 08-08-2011, 08:56 PM

Easy Hogger !!

None !

1. The "Tea Party" isn't a "party" in the accepted political sense. Rather its a coalition of like-minded individuals of every race, creed and political persuasion expounding changes they'd like to see in the attitudes and governing philosophies of current office holder and the President.

2. The American public got sold a bill of shoddy goods with the "settlement" both sides are so estatic about. There are no "cuts" in spending or the debt. Or any concrete resolutions to do so. Rather the "savings" touted are plans to spend less at some time in the future in exchange for increasing our debt load now.

3. Of course both sides want to blame this on the "Tea Party", because when the public finally realizes - in their tax obligations and inflation - they'll want blood. >MW

graehaven · 08-08-2011, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ofitg

Here's a list of the 66 House Republicans (including 28 Tea Party freshman) who voted AGAINST the Boehner-Reid-Obama compromise. I won't fault these people for what the other Republicans did.
It looks to me like 85% of the House of Representatives is worthless.

You're right of course. No I blame the other 174 Republicans who allowed it through. And of course, the democrats aren't blameless either.

Has the tea party made an impact? Yes.

Is it too little, too late? Yes.

Congress is beyond saving. And now we get to reap the benefits of our apathy.

RunningOnMT · 08-08-2011, 09:31 PM

I'm also a member of the tea party and I feel honored to have the likes of John Kerry blame us for screwing up their plans to destroy America. They've accused us of acting like spoiled children but it looks to me like that whole bunch is throwing one big temper tantrum. Perhaps they need a time out.

Juker · 08-08-2011, 09:45 PM

Amen. When someone as unscrupulous as John Kerry throws blame at you, you must be doin' something right.

graehaven · 08-09-2011, 09:21 AM

They're grandstanding. Kerry is grandstanding. They're putting on a show.

They still got what they wanted.

We're another $4 Trillion in debt!

This was not a win.

Whooptee frickin' doooooooo, the tea party made a stink, made a stand...... and it still went through.

We lose. Again.

You're being distracted by the show. The tea party will NOT be allowed to make a difference.

45nut · 08-09-2011, 03:32 PM

First, you must all remember Ann Coulter's rule that liberals blame conservative for what they (the liberals) are doing. Example: They blame the GOP for holing the black man down, when in fact they were against emancipation in the first place and with the welfare system, enslave them almost as effectively as the old southern masters.

So when they blame the Tea Party's for the downgrade, I know who is really to blame, follow the fingers pointing back to the Libs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by graehaven

How are we "getting to them?" They still raised the debt ceiling. The American people still LOST.

And why?

Because the Republicans are a bunch of wishy-washy, no backbone losers, and they sold out the country....AGAIN.

And from this group, will be the next "savior" republican presidential candidate, because he/she is NOT a democrat/Obama.

Unbelievable.

Principles matter.

Way to go Brother!!!!

The trouble is when we see Republican and think Conservative. I for one am replacing GOP & Dem with lib and conservative to better articulate my position.

Just remember, in the 1760's it took a number of shots before we had enough people willing to forcefully make a break with England. This time will not be different, but I do think our next election (should we still have it) will be our last best chance to take control out of the RINO's and Libs hands.

If we do not succeed in 2012, we may be lost. I do think enough of Americans are starting to awaken.

Bobitis · 08-09-2011, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ofitg

Here's a list of the 66 House Republicans (including 28 Tea Party freshman) who voted AGAINST the Boehner-Reid-Obama compromise. I won't fault these people for what the other Republicans did.
It looks to me like 85% of the House of Representatives is worthless.

Seeings no one from my state made the list, I got nowhere to look but up!

I got no one of conservative voice to represent me, but I Gaurantee you I'll not vote for another RINO.

Bob for congress!

tuckerd1 · 08-09-2011, 04:57 PM

My Rep in the House and my 2 Senators voted no on this bill. Go Brooks, Sessions and Shelby. Still some common sense in AL. I will still continue to push for less spending and a balanced budget without raising taxes.

Reforming the tax codes would be something I would like to see. But, how can you trust the politicians to rewrite the tax code?

Go Tea Party!!!

08-08-2011, 09:55 AM	#1
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,064	Could someone explain something to me please? I'm sure you have all heard about John Kerry blaming the Tea Party for the downgrading of the United States' credit rating and for the S&P dropping so much. Or John McCain or Joe Biden ripping the Tea Party. Can someone please explain to me how any of this is the fault of the Tea Party? The Tea Party to me is people standing up for more government accountability, less executive power for the government, and less spending - which is something anybody with a shred of common sense would want. Yet the Tea Party are labeled as terrorists, racists or anything else that people can pin on them. I saw one of these rallies and they just seem like a bunch of normal people. Every day I get more and more disappointed about the lies from the left. Here in Wisconsin is bad enough. They are recalling a bunch of Republicans because they put the kabosh on their collective bargaining rights. It just irks me to the point where I don't even want to listen to the news. __________________ Samuel Adams once said, "among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can." --> Last edited by hogger129; 08-08-2011 at 09:57 AM..

08-08-2011, 09:59 AM	#2
jlloyd73 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Contributor Posts: 1,931	Re: Could someone explain something to me please? It is the Tea Party's fault......we didn't let the "lefties" get their way. Personally I am glad they are acting like this. Maybe some of the idiots that voted Obozo in will realize what scum the Democrats are. Last edited by jlloyd73; 08-08-2011 at 09:59 AM.. Reason: spelling

08-08-2011, 10:34 AM	#3
jbmid1 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,075	Re: Could someone explain something to me please? If they had accepted the tea party's proposals, we would not have been downgraded. __________________ You can't be too rich, too thin, or have too much firepower.

08-08-2011, 11:07 AM	#4
ofitg Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Contributor Posts: 1,447	Re: Could someone explain something to me please? S&P warned that they would downgrade our credit rating if we didn't cut $4 trillion from the debt. Well, now they did it. Surprise, surprise. I haven't seen the list of names, but according to this article - http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...740b574e11.241 - half of the House Tea Party caucus voted to pass the Boehner-Reid-Obama compromise. My hat is off to the 28 Tea Party representatives who voted against the compromise. They deserve to get reelected.

08-08-2011, 11:17 AM	#5
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,219	Re: Could someone explain something to me please? I am a member of the Tea Party, and the reason everyone on the left is blaming us is because we are against them. We held our elected officials to a high standard, and some of them did just what America needed them to do. The left actually does believe that more spending will get them to their goal, that being the destruction of America. They (the politicians) have spent us into bankruptcy, and this little episode did not give those on the Left what they wanted, a higher debt ceiling, and more taxes to spend. They won't except the blame for our failing economy, so they place the blame on anything that they think the public might accept, the Tea Party. You know how it is: "It's not my fault I use drugs, commit crimes, and just be stupid, I had a bad child hood". __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

08-08-2011, 12:16 PM	#6
cutter Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 628	Re: Could someone explain something to me please? I hear ya Carver!! I am proud to be a Tea Partier! They can call me all the names they want to, we are getting to them and they just can't stand it!!! Last edited by cutter; 08-08-2011 at 12:18 PM..

08-08-2011, 12:24 PM	#7
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,052	Re: Could someone explain something to me please? Hogger, if their lips are moving, they are lying. I dont listen to a word they say. They are mentally challenged and arent worth the time or effort. The sooner you identify liberalism as a mental disorder, the better off you are. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

08-08-2011, 03:14 PM	#11
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,052	Re: Could someone explain something to me please? Remember, ONE more liberal appointment to the supreme court and we are SOL. We cant risk it. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

08-08-2011, 04:02 PM	#12
al45lc Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: colorful colorado Posts: 1,016	Re: Could someone explain something to me please? Let's see, a relatively 'new' movement has more power to influence than the long time, financially well heeled demmies? If I were a demmie, I'd be upset that my party is so poor at what I payed them so much to do. Didn't they say, "yes we can"? How many years over the past 50 have the demmies been been in control of Congress? I'm impressed with the Tea Party's power! No offense guys, it's tongue-in-cheek. Just how stupid do they really think we are to believe this B.S.? I laughed so hard when I heard it I almost blew my morning coffee! __________________ You are what you do, when it counts.

08-08-2011, 04:03 PM	#13
Juker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Land of Lincoln Contributor Posts: 2,872	Re: Could someone explain something to me please? From "terrorists" to "Tea Party Downgrade" - their childish, ludicrous jabs make me chuckle. The Dems have completely failed under Obummer/Pelosi/Reid. They accomplished NOTHING, and now they want to divert attention from their failure by blaming law-abiding citizens. Credit downgrade, unemployment, economy in the toilet. Screw it, let Wall Street crash. Maybe it's what we need - a political enema, a complete upheaval, a revolution. Between this and the 'Day of Rage', maybe we can thin the herd. __________________ SHOOT FIRST. SHOOT SECOND. MOST IMPORTANTLY, BE THE MAN WHO'S SHOOTING LAST.

08-08-2011, 05:04 PM	#14
The Duke Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: NW Louisiana Posts: 813	Re: Could someone explain something to me please? Yep...I suppose us Tea Partyers are the only ones who want to change the 'status quo' that the Washington professional politician jerks got us into in the first place...Well...they blamed Bush, now I suppose its our turn to fade the heat...They dont know what heat is, least ways until 2012. They better install revolving doors on Capitol Hill, cuz the traffic flow in and out is going to be unimaginable.

08-08-2011, 06:47 PM	#17
ofitg Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Contributor Posts: 1,447	Re: Could someone explain something to me please? Here's a list of the 66 House Republicans (including 28 Tea Party freshman) who voted AGAINST the Boehner-Reid-Obama compromise. I won't fault these people for what the other Republicans did. It looks to me like 85% of the House of Representatives is worthless. Attached Images

08-08-2011, 08:56 PM	#18
millwright Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,435	Re: Could someone explain something to me please? Easy Hogger !! None ! 1. The "Tea Party" isn't a "party" in the accepted political sense. Rather its a coalition of like-minded individuals of every race, creed and political persuasion expounding changes they'd like to see in the attitudes and governing philosophies of current office holder and the President. 2. The American public got sold a bill of shoddy goods with the "settlement" both sides are so estatic about. There are no "cuts" in spending or the debt. Or any concrete resolutions to do so. Rather the "savings" touted are plans to spend less at some time in the future in exchange for increasing our debt load now. 3. Of course both sides want to blame this on the "Tea Party", because when the public finally realizes - in their tax obligations and inflation - they'll want blood. >MW

08-08-2011, 09:31 PM	#20
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: Could someone explain something to me please? I'm also a member of the tea party and I feel honored to have the likes of John Kerry blame us for screwing up their plans to destroy America. They've accused us of acting like spoiled children but it looks to me like that whole bunch is throwing one big temper tantrum. Perhaps they need a time out. __________________ "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!"

08-08-2011, 09:45 PM	#21
Juker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Land of Lincoln Contributor Posts: 2,872	Re: Could someone explain something to me please? Amen. When someone as unscrupulous as John Kerry throws blame at you, you must be doin' something right. __________________ SHOOT FIRST. SHOOT SECOND. MOST IMPORTANTLY, BE THE MAN WHO'S SHOOTING LAST.

08-09-2011, 09:21 AM	#22
graehaven Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 2,853	Re: Could someone explain something to me please? They're grandstanding. Kerry is grandstanding. They're putting on a show. They still got what they wanted. We're another $4 Trillion in debt! This was not a win. Whooptee frickin' doooooooo, the tea party made a stink, made a stand...... and it still went through. We lose. Again. You're being distracted by the show. The tea party will NOT be allowed to make a difference. __________________ The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." - Thomas Jefferson RESISTANCE IS FEUDAL... PREPARE TO SERVE.

08-09-2011, 04:57 PM	#25
tuckerd1 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Paint Rock Valley, Alabama Posts: 3,147	Re: Could someone explain something to me please? My Rep in the House and my 2 Senators voted no on this bill. Go Brooks, Sessions and Shelby. Still some common sense in AL. I will still continue to push for less spending and a balanced budget without raising taxes. Reforming the tax codes would be something I would like to see. But, how can you trust the politicians to rewrite the tax code? Go Tea Party!!!