Ethics of gifting a gun.

[goofy]

A engagement ring is NOT A GIFT it is a promise to mary so the to say it is the same as giveing something to someone is NOT the same..........GOOFY

[Double D]

The word GIFT means to Give. So, when there are strings attached, it is no longer a gift. If you OWN it, nobody tells you what you can and cant do. That is my point. Same as if you win something. Its yours to give away or sell. You OWN that right.

I had a guy come in my shop day before yesterday with his 17 yr old son. I wouldnt normally tell you this, but it fits this thread. I had a set of 3 swords on a stand that this kid was eyeballing. He asked his dad to get them for him. He said no. I got the box out that they came in and boxed them up and before they left, I gave the kid the swords. The dad said why? You should make him work it off or pay you some along and along. I said no, its his. No strings attached. The kid was estatic. His dad said he will probably sell or break them. I said, they are his to break. None of my business, I dont own them. I just said, dont hurt anybody. He promised he wouldnt.

[RedHawk]

I hope he doesnt come back to the shop and try to rob you! @goofy so if instead of a ring I say here heres a Mercedes as my engagement ring to you , I have to give it back? I kinda like that , I think I'll use that for all my girlfriends , I'll just loan things to them , so if you get married to her and then divorce , she gets to keep the wedding ring , but needs to give the engagment ring back , right? Cool , I will start getting really expensive engagment rings amnd cheap wedding rings , at least I get my investment of time money spent on this broad , I mean after all she PROMISED to marry me!

[Alpo]

Anything I give my girl friend is a present. We break up and that stuff is hers. We get married , and I give her anything (including family heirlooms), and then we get divorced, and all that is hers.

But, an engagement ring is not a present. It is part of a contract. If the marriage does not happen - my fault or her fault, it don't matter - the contract was voided and she should return the ring.

Same would apply with the Mercedes. If the car is given as an "Engagement Present", and the marriage does not happen, the car should be returned.

If you go to a wedding and the bride leaves the groom at the altar, you take your wedding present back, don't you? Same thing.

[ka64]

Originally Posted by Bobitis

So...

I won and I paid it forward. I didn't 'sell it.
What's the difference? I gave it away, and the recipient can do as he/she chooses.

Why should this ban me from another entry?

Not you Bob, Me. DD Said if I won and I sold it.

And thats not the OP's original meaning anyway, it was a gift from a friend not winning a prize.

[Double D]

I was asking a question. If you win something and sell it, should the place where you won it from be mad and bar you from another giveaway? That is not my view, you have read my view. What is yours is yours.

I am just judging from everyones response that says they would be mad and not give that person anything else. The same logic applies.

[Double D]

Originally Posted by ka64

Not you Bob, Me. DD Said if I won and I sold it.

And thats not the OP's original meaning anyway, it was a gift from a friend not winning a prize.

Well, all the gifts given away here are from forum friends.

[ka64]

Originally Posted by Double D

I was asking a question. If you win something and sell it, should the place where you won it from be mad and bar you from another giveaway? That is not my view, you have read my view. What is yours is yours.

I am just judging from everyones response that says they would be mad and not give that person anything else. The same logic applies.

Sorry DD I disagree, if I gave my son one of my guns and he sold it, he wouldn't get another one untill the will was read.

Now if you give me one of your Guns, I promise I will never sell it.

[Double D]

Originally Posted by ka64

Sorry DD I disagree, if I gave my son one of my guns and he sold it, he wouldn't get another one untill the will was read.

Now if you give me one of your Guns, I promise I will never sell it.

If I give you one of my guns, I could care less what you do with it. Its yours. Good example was bob giving his to beth. His choice. And a good one it was!

[ka64]

Originally Posted by Double D

If I give you one of my guns, I could care less what you do with it. Its yours. Good example was bob giving his to beth. His choice. And a good one it was!

Bob won that Gun, It's Apples & Oranges. He gifted it, he did not sell it which makes it even more nobler.

[goofy]

Double D This is a hard one to anser ther are to many variables.If I gave a gun to someone it is thiers to do with what they want.If i gave them the gun because they needed one (say to hunt) and they sold it to "upgrade" or sold it to pay the bills I don't think i would have a problem and if i did i would keep it to myself.But to say i would not give him another I don't know I'm not sure. I might ask him what he plans to do with it but you know I'm not sure.............GOOFY

[Double D]

Its totally up to the individual. I say, dont give the gift if you are going to get mad later. Just keep it and give them something else. Or, completely detach yourself from it when it leaves your hand. I would think a real friend that got the gift from you would hold some sentimental value in it and not want to sell it. But, no two people think alike.

[RunningOnMT]

Originally Posted by JLA

I see bobs point. In the heat of this conversation everyone seems to have forgotten the great thing Bob did for you Beth when he won the marlin 60. Already having several marlin 60s and not really needing yet another in the safe, he knew you would appreciate such a gift in the way it was meant to be appreciated and humbly forwarded his prize to you. Which i think is a damn fine thing to do for someone.

So cheers to you Bob. and yes, IMO, you deserve to win each and every givaway TFF offers. IMO, nobody could contribute to what TFF is about more than you have..

Hats off to you!

Amen.

[RunningOnMT]

Getting back to the original post...I can tell you from first hand experience that one should always be careful of who ends up for a firearm of which you are the original owner.

A long time ago I was looking for a compound bow. A friend told me of a coworker that had one he wanted to sell or trade for a gun. I told my friend I had a Ruger 10/22 I would be willing to trade for it. The coworker agreed so my friend handled the swap..delivering my rifle to his coworker and his compound bow to me. I had never even met the coworker at that time. Some time later the guy was killed in a motorcycle/truck accident. I never thought anything about what happened to the .22, that was history...or so I thought.

Then one day almost 20 years later I get a phone call from a BATF agent. he started out saying, "You are the owner of a Ruger 10/22 rifle?" I said no, forgetting about the one I had owned so many years before. Raising his voice he asked me again "You didn't purchase a Ruger 10/22 serial number xxxxxxx, from such and such a store on such and such a date???" Then the lightbulb went off in my head and I said ? "Oh yes I'm sorry I did, but I sold it years ago." "Who did you sell it to?" I had to think for a minute then said, "Oh, correction, I didn't sell it, I traded it" The agent now obviously annoyed said "Well, who did you trade it to?" "Umm, I don't remember." Following a long silence "You don't remember?" Then I told him that a friend acted as a go between for the transaction. "What's your friend's name?" I told him. "What's his address?" "I don't know it off hand". "What's his phone number?" I couldn't remember as my friend and I had kind of lost contact after he got married. "I'll have to look for it". "OK, I'll call you back in an hour". So I frantically rumaged through old address books until I found the number, then called up my friend to verify it was still a good number and tip him off to the BATF inquiry.

So when the agent called back I gave him the phone number and the agent said "OK, I may or may not be out to visit you in person. I then asked "What's the problem with this rifle?" "It was found at the scene of an execution/homicide". I said "Oh Sh**!" He said "Yeah, Oh sh**!" then "let this be a lesson to you. Anytime you transfer ownership of a firearm from you to any other person make sure you write down that persons name and at least their drivers license number and keep it with your permanent records."
Then I remembered several other guns I had sold to people I didn't even know, and have been holding my breath ever since.

So just remember when you are the owner of record of a firearm, and that firearm ever turns up at the scene of a crime, and you can't provide authorities with a person you transferred ownership to, you are an immediate suspect. Just something to think about.

[Juker]

Now THAT is a good story, ROMT. Thanks for sharing it.

[rosierita]

i'm VERY, VERY selective of who i'd give a firearm to. i have given them as gifts, but only to my immediate family.

however, i'm of the mindset that if you've given it away, its theirs to do w/ what they please...

that's another reason why i'm so selective! lol!

[Bobitis]

Just to set a couple things straight.

Yes, I won the 60. Did I win a prize, or did I recieve a gift?
It originally belonged to TFF and was given to me. I arleady had 2 Marlin .22s, and have no more room for another. Maybe I'm selfish, but I didn't want to tell Sam to give it to the next pick. You must admit that many of us have plenty of firearms already. So I thought about it.

I remeber Beths 1st post here. She was green as could be, and NO ONE ever flamed her for asking questions that most of us know. She had a couple firearms, but never mentioned a .22. For all I knew, she had never even shot one before. So now she has had all her questions answered with the respect that I've come to expect from every member here. In that vane. I opted to forward the rifle to her.
In my opinion, she was the most worthy recipient. As it turns out, she has come to love that rifle FAR more than I ever would have. And for what it's worth, it was never meant to be a gift from 'me'. It was a gift from TFF and all the members here that have held her hand and have come to know her as one of the family.

No one at TFF has ever told me I couldn't enter another drawing for a 60. I choose not to so others may have a better opportunity.

As for the wedding stuff... I was engaged to my 1st gf 30 years ago. When we split, she gave the ring back to me. She had recently given me a very expensive Pentax camera, and I didn't feel comfortable keeping it, so I left it with her. When I got divorced, we gave our rings back. What are either of us gonna do with the ex's wedding band?

A gift is simply that. The recipient is free to do whatever they choose. HOWEVER! If I gave someone anything, and they at a later date offerd to sell it back to me, there would be hell to pay.

[Double D]

Originally Posted by Bobitis

Just to set a couple things straight.

Yes, I won the 60. Did I win a prize, or did I recieve a gift?
It originally belonged to TFF and was given to me. I arleady had 2 Marlin .22s, and have no more room for another. Maybe I'm selfish, but I didn't want to tell Sam to give it to the next pick. You must admit that many of us have plenty of firearms already. So I thought about it.

I remeber Beths 1st post here. She was green as could be, and NO ONE ever flamed her for asking questions that most of us know. She had a couple firearms, but never mentioned a .22. For all I knew, she had never even shot one before. So now she has had all her questions answered with the respect that I've come to expect from every member here. In that vane. I opted to forward the rifle to her.
In my opinion, she was the most worthy recipient. As it turns out, she has come to love that rifle FAR more than I ever would have. And for what it's worth, it was never meant to be a gift from 'me'. It was a gift from TFF and all the members here that have held her hand and have come to know her as one of the family.

No one at TFF has ever told me I couldn't enter another drawing for a 60. I choose not to so others may have a better opportunity.

As for the wedding stuff... I was engaged to my 1st gf 30 years ago. When we split, she gave the ring back to me. She had recently given me a very expensive Pentax camera, and I didn't feel comfortable keeping it, so I left it with her. When I got divorced, we gave our rings back. What are either of us gonna do with the ex's wedding band?

A gift is simply that. The recipient is free to do whatever they choose. HOWEVER! If I gave someone anything, and they at a later date offerd to sell it back to me, there would be hell to pay.

No one at tff would ever tell you you couldnt enter another drawing. How that got mis-construed is beyond me. I never implied that it should be done. I simply asked a question that was relevant to the subject. I simply used that as an example to having strings attached to giving something. And as I have said over and over, I dont believe in strings. Every prize or giveaway is a gift from a member or from the forum and everyone can enter every single one as long as they meet the post requirement. If you win for 3 months in a row, you can enter the 4th month too. So, hopefully thats cleared up.

[dad2thebone]

On the wedding part just give her what she wants and send her on her way.or was that divorce? hmmmm i get em mixed up.

[JLA]

I find its easier to just stay married..

[ka64]

Originally Posted by Double D

No one at tff would ever tell you you couldnt enter another drawing. How that got mis-construed is beyond me. I never implied that it should be done. I simply asked a question that was relevant to the subject. I simply used that as an example to having strings attached to giving something. And as I have said over and over, I dont believe in strings. Every prize or giveaway is a gift from a member or from the forum and everyone can enter every single one as long as they meet the post requirement. If you win for 3 months in a row, you can enter the 4th month too. So, hopefully thats cleared up.

DD when I said Yep, I meant that to be solely me not anyone else.
That was my conviction of how I strongly personable meant about me only.

[Double D]

Originally Posted by ka64

DD when I said Yep, I meant that to be solely me not anyone else.
That was my conviction of how I strongly personable meant about me only.

Its all good. Just wanted to be clear!

[ka64]

Originally Posted by Double D

Its all good. Just wanted to be clear!

It's all good brotha thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DBrokaw1004]

My friend., a disabled vet., knew he was about to die and gave me all of his guns except for one. A 44mg hoglage that he sold to his brother for $100. I was po'd but he said I would just get in trouble with it. It was his to do with as he pleasesd so I had to accept his dicission.