new here thought id post a few pics of my rifles

[Bindernut]

Yup, I've had the best luck with slow burners in the .25-06 too. H4831 is what worked great with the 100gr FB X-bullet and others for me.
I've got RL22, N-165, and IMR7828 on the shelf here too but haven't found that magic combo for the 100 or 115 TSX bullets yet.
Used to use H4350 for lighter bullets but I haven't used anything lighter than 100gr in that rifle for several years now. It worked super with the 75hr Speer TNT HP in my rifle. Can you say prairie dog soup?

I picked up a .204 Howa for yotes a couple years ago too. Just wanted to try soemthing different than the .22-250 (which I know works).
Luckily it groups good with 40gr since the 32gr VMax is just a bit too light for a long shot on a big dog.
If I know I'm long-ranging on coyotes I'll keep the .25-06 or my Swede handy.

[evan03]

have you tried the sc or super short cut powders. i try them whenever theyre available and they seem to work great in my 2506.

my loads are mid to slow loads with the bullets seated kissing the lands

one thing i noticed with 257 triple shocks is bc numbers are about the same for 100 and 115 and that a boatail only realy shines way way out there. way way farther then i can shoot. i like high bc boat tails for wind deflections but even then way way out there is were it matters most.

[Bindernut]

I've still got a good supply of regular H4831, but I'm planning on trying the short cut version the next time I've got to restock it. Others have said it winds up burning about the same but meters easier...I'll find out in a year or so at the rate I'm using up my current supply (or I just better start shooting more ).

I stumbled onto the 100gr FB X-bullet as my rifle's favorite bullet shortly after I bought it back in '95. I stocked up so many I didn't need to buy more til a couple years ago. They discontinued the flat-base 100gr, it's boat-tail only with the new triple shock lineup.
I really don't care if it's a flat-base or boat-tail as long as I can work up a load that groups as nice as that one. This rifle sure seems notice a difference between the styles though.
I have got a couple of good loads with Hornady and Sierra bullets but I'm dead-set on finding another Barnes that works in this critter. I love how they perform on whitetails!
Someday I'll find the magic combo again...I've got lots of time since I've been sticking with one of my 6.5x55 rifles for deer season the last couple years.

[JLA]

I find flat base bullets are far better at 300 and less, thats pretty much all i load in .223 because I dont shoot it much beyond 250. They stabilize quicker and group tighter than their boattailed counterparts. But beyond 300, the boattail design shines.

[evan03]

i agree to me it doesnt matter flate base or boat tail i kill most everything inside 300.. i was thining my 115 triple shocks were flat base or maybe semi flatbase.

price matters more to me and berger vlds and nosler balistic tips are way cheaper then triple shocks. even acubonds are alittle less. for the price alone and inside 300 id gladly poke a white tail with a nosler bt or berger vld.
ive also used the 110 accubond on idaho mulies and it works awesome ive made a few fairly spectacualr oneshot kills with the acubond one fair sized bucks at around 200. normaly they run 10-15 yds with most bullets and sometimes 50 before they pile up like a sack of bricks.

check out bergers website they have alot of on game videos using vlds from 10-800 yds and were talking bigame elk moose then meduim game like antelope white tails and mulies.

JL
if heard of long boat tails printing tighter groups out at 300 then they do at 100yds but i havent seen this yet in my rifles. but these are long range guys ive heard this from with fast twist barrels were they say at 100 yds the nose of bullet is up causeing a slight keyhole in paper then flattig out at longer range and printing tighter groups

along time ago i had some 90gr or atleast i think they were 90gr X bullets they shot awesome. bu off course they were discountuned. i never killed anything with them just paper. but from reading forumns the triple shock is supoed to perfrom better on game then the old X bullet

[Bindernut]

The only change they made from the original X to the triple shock is those triple grooves on the bearing surface...and they discontinued a bunch of weight/styles (like my 100gr flat-base ).

Around here Bergers are near impossible to find on the shelf, I need to order and ordering just a single box for testing gets pretty spendy.
I've got Nosler Accubonds in the test queue for this rifle, but I leave the Ballistic Tips for varmints & yotes. I've had too many core/jacket separations using 6mm and .277 Ballistic Tips on deer...kinda skunked me on them.

So far, my best results have been with just the good old Hornady 100gr SP.
Consistent 1" groups is plenty good enough for deer season, but isn't quite the same as consistent 3/8" groups when long-ranging prairie dogs or paper.
Yes, I got spoiled!

[evan03]

the core on the nosler balistic will always come of the jacket and the bullet will pretty much disengrate and turn to dust specialy at close range at high velocities. but the heavier balistic tips are built tougher then light 85gr is for varmits and 100 for game animals and 115.
these bullets are designed to still exspand/come apart at long range and kill game were at exstreme long ranges some hunting bullets will still penetrait but fail to exspand.

i killed a buck at 250ish with my 3006 and 180gr nosler bt shooting almost straight up hill broad side the bullet enterd very low went through a rib hit the inside of the front shoulder blade then down through the leg. i tracked this bullet when skinning and found bullet fragments the entire way.

a bullet i dont shoot deer with any more is the 100gr nosler bt at close range it blows huge holes in deer. at close range the 115 seems much better.

i could talk loads and bullets and how they perform on game all day. this 25 and i have about 11 years together and about that many bucks under our belt not mention dogs and smaller critters.

i didnt even talk about nosler partitions.

or how well i like remington corelokts

i could go on and on

heres a few of whats on the wall

[evan03]

I was giving the kids a bath and remembers you said 3 grooves. I checked and 115s have 4 150 .277 have 5.

I also think the bullet has difrent shape then old x. I don't think its got much in common with the x at all. The x was known to foul barrels
Suposebly the grooves give the copper someplace to flow reduceing fouling. This also lowers the bearing surface area reduceing pressure allowing it to be driven harder

Can you tell I'm bored. I realty like the triple shock. Ought and then there's the tipped triple shock

[Bindernut]

Yep, the number of grooves does vary by the bullet length.
The original TSX concept was adding three grooves to the bearing surface to reduce the surface area...cuts down on the fouling quite a bit. That's where the triple shock part of the name comes from and all of the original bullets released in the TSX lineup had three grooves.
As they went through the whole lineup replacing X with TSX, they found that they needed to add either more or less grooves to the bullet according to the bearing surface length.

The nose profiles vary by caliber and weight as well. Some are secant ogive, some tangent ogive, and some hybrid, depending on the weight per diameter. The 115gr X and the 115gr TSX have the same profile, the TSX is longer though due to the weight displaced from the grooves.

The copper alloy is unchanged from X to TSX.
Some guys claimed the alloy was changed and that the new TSX was a harder alloy and that is what was reducing fouling, but it is just the reduced surface area from the grooves.

I visited with Dan and even Randy himself from Barnes several years ago and got this straight from them.
Originally, I started out with a complaint about excessive fouling I was having when I switched a .270 load from X to TSX...naturally I was kinda worried because the TSX was supposed to have less fouling. Wound up swapping about a dozen emails and a few phone calls getting to the bottom of the problem.
I've just been so totally impressed with the service I got from them that I'm a die-hard fan. Yeah, they're spendy (like all premium bullets) but they work fantastic.

[JLA]

TSX is the only X bullets ive ever used.

[evan03]

ohhh yeah i love them to they realy shoot great in my rifles and give deer a thumping in the 220 swift. in bigger calibers i havent yet tested them im looking to drive a 115 into a elk someday. wife kids n family has put a slow down on my hunting the last few years

[JLA]

for some stupid ass unexplainable reason my mini 14 shoots MOA with them. It sucks because it gets poor ammo milage and them bullets are 30 bucks a box of 50..

I use the 53 gr TSX over 24.5 gr H4895.

My wife will use it deer hunting this year. I have been working on minifying the mini to better fit her. Its turning out pretty good, but thats another thread..

[evan03]

LOL that does suck that it shoots 1" with those. I'm sure you've tried lots. Have you tried the 73s or the swift siroccos. I think you have a 1/9 barrel so it should stabslize to 70 great bullet or so

Its twice moa good for a mini

[Brisk44]

Welcome to all you new guys.