zastava m57/ tokarev 7.62x25

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Originally Posted by waynescyclegarage

The only minor problem I have with the grips is that the spring steel mounts were not designed to hold large grips tightly against the frame, especially at the top. You may notice a little space between the two grip panels at the rear near the top. It is not bad but I can squeeze them tighter and they fit perfectly.
Again it is hardly noticable and doesent really bother me.
wayne

Wayne ,,do you think a little Two Way Tape would help

[waynescyclegarage]

Originally Posted by Fast Forward

Wayne ,,do you think a little Two Way Tape would help

No, the tape would be thicker than the tiny gap (.015 to .002 ). It is not really a problem and most people will not even notice. I thought about a teensy drop of super glue at the upper rear where they come together but again the fit and finish is superb and precise. I am more than pleased.
I still did not get to shoot yesterday but I will try again this afternoon. After all I only have to step out in the yard and set up a target!!
wayne

[waynescyclegarage]

WOW! Just stepped out, stuck up a paper about 12 yards away and fired off two shots.
Bullseye, one large hole dead center. You could cover them with a dime. I am going to give the new grips credit. They were comfortable but I was afraid to fire a third shot cause I did not want to spoil a perfect ( lucky ) moment
wayne

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Originally Posted by waynescyclegarage

WOW! Just stepped out, stuck up a paper about 12 yards away and fired off two shots.
Bullseye, one large hole dead center. You could cover them with a dime. I am going to give the new grips credit. They were comfortable but I was afraid to fire a third shot cause I did not want to spoil a perfect ( lucky ) moment
wayne

I need a set of those

[waynescyclegarage]

I am kinda kiddin' about the accuracy but they did feel good and firm in my hand. I will give it another test tomorrow.
I am still lookin' around for some good ammo for this thing. There is plenty of fmj at normal prices (85gr usually)
I would like to get some HP as this may be one of my first line defense guns depending on where I am when some suicidal idiot tries a home invasion on me and my wife and two sons which all are handy with firearms and my dogs are very alert
wayne

[waynescyclegarage]

SOG has 7.62x25 800 rounds for about $138. I don't know what or where this stuff comes from but I will try to find out. If it is the Romanian junk I would not want it at any price.
wayne

[waynescyclegarage]

JG also has some of the cheap surplus. They say it is Bulgarian and the reviews are mixed. It is corrosive and a fairly hot round as one reviewer said he destroyed a CZ52 so keep that in mind. I don't want any for my M57 but if I had one of the PPS 43?? pistols it might be fun to run thru a few hundred rounds.
wayne

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I bought a bunch From JG so far no problem my casing reads 21/53/32/16 which would make this Polish,,I also bought some bulk from another source that reads 343/56 which is also Polish according to my research

[waynescyclegarage]

Hmmm.. JG said theirs was Bulgarian?? If you are having no problems then I may break down and get me a batch. I had seen the mags from Dans before and thought about getting a couple and maybe modify one to better feed the 9mm stuff but right now I would not know where to start.
I would feel better with Polish ammo, I have never heard any bad reports on that stuff.
wayne

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Originally Posted by waynescyclegarage

Hmmm.. JG said theirs was Bulgarian?? If you are having no problems then I may break down and get me a batch. I had seen the mags from Dans before and thought about getting a couple and maybe modify one to better feed the 9mm stuff but right now I would not know where to start.
I would feel better with Polish ammo, I have never heard any bad reports on that stuff.
wayne

see if JG will give you the numbers of the casing reading from 12:00 then clockwise I can more than likely tell you what it is,,FF

[waynescyclegarage]

I passed on the cheaper stuff and ordered some Wolf Gold JHP from JG. This is the first JHP I have seen and should make a potent weapon even more so.
I was comparing some specs from some ammo ( don't remember what) and was suprised.
The 7.62x25 had some nice stats, such as:
185gr 45 auto 935 fps muz energy 355
357 mag 158gr 1235 fps muz energy 535
7.62x25 85gr 1722 fps muz energy 560 !!!
The only one more potent was the 44 mag Duuh
It was Wolf gold, I found the add
pretty impressive
wayne

[waynescyclegarage]

Shot some Wolf Gold JHP 85gr. Don't have the specs on this stuff but i can tell it is hot!!
It had noticably more recoil then the other good ammo I was using. I put my muzzle brake on and it actually seemed to help, it was easier on my wrist. The wrap around Marchal grips helped also. By the way my first three shots could be covered with a quarter at about 15yds sitting down resting on my knee. This is a fine gun.
wayne

[permafrost]

Thanks for the post, Wayne. I'll try some in mine.

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Haven,t shot mine for a couple weeks ,,I need to push the rear sight over a Little,,Also I,m left eye Dominant so I.m working on shooting left Handed

[waynescyclegarage]

Hi FF and Frosty and others. I just noticed that my cases from the Wolf Gold and my Privi Partisan are the same? no real suprise but the both are stamped PPU 7.62 even though one is a JHP and the other is a FMJ. One comes in a PPU box and the other Wolf Gold. Who cares , the Wolf Gold JHP is a hotter load by my seat of pants guessing.
I pushed my rear sight over a while ago and it is dead center POI. The sight is noticeably to the right and over hangs a little but is dead on.
I installed my muzzle brake different and it works great. Looking from the front, suicide position I screwed it on counter clockwise and it fit better and worked?!? But when I install it clockwise it binds and gets crooked!! It ends up in the same place but makes a major difference. I think this had something to do with the problems I had with the 9mm barrel I got. I will experiment and get back.
have fun, I have more tales about this Tok I will share when I get more time.
wayne

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Strange,,I notice that sometimes after cleaning my Yugo that it won,t cycle it locks up ,,when I take it apart and re-assemble if works fine ,,this is with the 9MM barrel installed haven,t shot 7.62 thru it for a while I,ll have to watch which way I put it back together after I clean it,,,,My sites seem dead on,,I had the club instructor work with me ,,,changed my grip and got me to slow down a little,,sure wish I could lighten up that trigger pull a little

[waynescyclegarage]

Hi FF, I have some info another member PM'd me about how to do some trigger work. I have it written down somewhere and I will find it and get it to you soon. Mine is not real bad but could use some work, I just haven't gotten around to it. I am going to try my 9mm barrel again soon after reassembling it the way I did last time. It is strange but worked and made a complete change for the better for sure when I installed the comp, barrel bushing from a different direction. This is the one I bought and reamed out for the 9mm and I am now using it with my 7.62 and it works perfectly and my gun is as accurate as I am capable of and cycles with no problems whatsoever. I will experiment and between the two of us and maybe others we can come up with some good stuff.
Been to the Vintage bike races today and have had a few beers so I will get back later.
wayne

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Originally Posted by waynescyclegarage

Hi FF, I have some info another member PM'd me about how to do some trigger work. I have it written down somewhere and I will find it and get it to you soon. Mine is not real bad but could use some work, I just haven't gotten around to it. I am going to try my 9mm barrel again soon after reassembling it the way I did last time. It is strange but worked and made a complete change for the better for sure when I installed the comp, barrel bushing from a different direction. This is the one I bought and reamed out for the 9mm and I am now using it with my 7.62 and it works perfectly and my gun is as accurate as I am capable of and cycles with no problems whatsoever. I will experiment and between the two of us and maybe others we can come up with some good stuff.
Been to the Vintage bike races today and have had a few beers so I will get back later.
wayne

The only Two Handguns I Have (Both Euro) have stiff trigger pulls,, all my Consumer Guns have Close Pulls 3-4#,,I,m guessing the Euro,s are at least Double,,,

[Mad Mike]

Originally Posted by bcj1755

I've seen a test where a 7.62x25 (fired from a Tokarev TT) and a 9mm were both fired at a Plish milsurp steel helmet. The 9mm bounced off after leaving a nice dent, the 7.62x25 went straight through like it was nothing. Pretty potent little round.

Several years ago in Panama City, Florida, a few friends of mine
shot a CZ52 through a so-called bulletproof vest. It punched through it like a soda can. Those little pistols can be quite useful. Another post said something to the effect of, "They weren't very effective in battle." Perhaps that was true. However, in urban conflict settings, it is now highly effective. Gangbanger taking cover behind a dumpster, spraying 9mm rounds? No problem, my friend. Shoot right through it...and him. Or perhaps it's a nutball with body armor and an AK, spouting something about his connection to God and your demise? Pull out your $100, ugly, little CZ and clip his liver. Still not sold on the piece because of corrosive ammo on the market? Well, it can be corrosive to internal organs too, folks.

[warriflefan]

This is a great site for ballistics gel tests. Here is the geletin test with body armor!

http://brassfetcher.com/index_files/Page1242.htm

[warriflefan]

I think the CZ 52 is one of the prettiest military handguns since the 1911!

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I also Love My Oinker

[waynescyclegarage]

I would luv to have one but haven't seen any around, I have a CZ82 and it is nice but my M57 is still my favorite and the only thing I have in that calibre.
wayne

[waynescyclegarage]

Hi, JG has some ammo, Surefire clean military ammo with shiny brass mfg in the 80's I think. 800 rnds $138 and some smaller quantities also. I like the sound of this as the older stuff that had been around was pretty nasty and unreliable. If I get any I will pass along results but I may not be able to right now.
My M57 sure looks wicked with the Marchal grips and the suppressor installed, I'll post some pics soon,.. lots prettier than some old "oinker" that happens to shoot the same ammo. (wish I had one).
happy holidays, happy shooting
wayne

[waynescyclegarage]

Here are a couple pics