flat shooting bullets

[BETH]

no comments what is going on?????????????????

[howlnmad]

Originally Posted by BETH

no comments what is going on?????????????????

Nope, don't wanna look stupid.

[geds]

I've already showed my ignorance once on this thread....

[Alpo]

Ain't "country karaoke" callin' the hogs?

[geds]

I think it is just singing about soap operas.

[BETH]

come on now patsy cline aint no singin to the hogs

[Alpo]

Nope, she's just


CRAZY. Crazy for bein' - so lonely. Crazy. Crazy for bein' - so blue.

I like Patsy.

[evan03]

50 or 300yds? What kinda Bullets we asking about.

If 50 yds I say bullet shape doesn't matter. At 300 shape still barely matters
Just push the lead out thete

[BETH]

Good thing Alpo

[okiefired]

Originally Posted by JLA

They dont need to Okie. Theyll stop within the target trying to cut ther way thru thereby dispersing all their kinetic energy. Hollowpoints are great becasue they expand, most of the time, and stop within the target, again most of the time. A bullet that penetrates thru doesnt transfer all of its energy to the target. I dont think you could have a better defensive round than a .44 spec loaded with full wadcutters.

Energy transfer is what ultimately makes one round more deadly than the next.

Sorry guys (and gals), just now got back to this thread, interesting.

JLA, I'm still a little puzzled, it sounds like you're making my point for me. I know that its the transfer of energy that makes a good defensive bullet and the consistancy with which it does that. I've personally never seen an XTP that didnt expand as it should and I have actually checked quite a few in anything from bowling pins to dead calves (,357, 10mm and .45), they are simply devastating. I also understand that (as millwright mentioned) the consistancy of the hardness of the bullet can significantly effect its terminal performance and this is something I might be concerned about with wadcutters, it would be a non issue with any quality HP like the XTP. Also, when comparing the TP of bullets even just in conversation, we have to assume they are being pushed to a velosity that will inable them all to work to thier potential. When the vel. is consistant, the performance of the bullet should also be. I would think that the varaibles that would effect this would be much greater on a home made lead bullet than it would be in a quality jacketed HP being forced by its very design to expand. Ok, I've rambled along enough. Not trying to be argumentative folks, just trying to make a point and I appreciate your pesponses.

okie

[reynolds357]

Originally Posted by JLA

They dont need to Okie. Theyll stop within the target trying to cut ther way thru thereby dispersing all their kinetic energy. Hollowpoints are great becasue they expand, most of the time, and stop within the target, again most of the time. A bullet that penetrates thru doesnt transfer all of its energy to the target. I dont think you could have a better defensive round than a .44 spec loaded with full wadcutters.

Energy transfer is what ultimately makes one round more deadly than the next.

Energy is not the major factor in hand gun stopping effectiveness. It is wound channel diameter and depth. Energy is a factor in determining depth and dia, but is not in and of itsself a major factor. There is not enough energy transfer in a common hand gun round to generate much shock wave trauma. You are going to get a better stop from a H.P. that expands to .50 and exits than you are going to get from a hollow point that expands to .50 and only penetrates half way through center mass. A handgun wound is about like a bow and arrow wound. I have seen plenty of bow and arrow wounds on deer and plenty of hand gun wounds on people. They are pretty much identical. The "energy transfers" that make a gellatinized mess come from velocities that can only be reached by rifles. Look at time lapse photos of hand gun rounds into ballistic gelatin. The shockwave (what little bit there is) is almost identical regardless of the bullet type. With rifles, that totally changes, but handguns do not give the massive energy transfer that gives that instant stop.

[okiefired]

We may just have to agree to desagree on this one guys. Isn't energy part of what determines wound channel depth? I've had quite a few whitetail bow kills too and I cant say any of the wounds looked near as bad as the ones my XTP spitting Python made in that calf carcus. I'll admit it was a long time ago, maybe I'll have to do it again some time to make sure my memory isn't fading. Never too old to learn.