Walther PPK 7.65 - The Firearms Forum

pdmii · 12-26-2011, 06:58 PM

I have a Walther PPK .32 that my grandfather brought back from Germany. The serial number is 272684K which I do know is from 1940. What I can not figure out is what the marking is and the number 569 that is stamped above the magazine release and then further below behind the trigger. I have seen all the info about the crown and then the letter N, but nothing on the markings of my gun. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

StoneChimney · 12-27-2011, 03:24 AM

Can you post a clear picture?

pdmii · 12-27-2011, 03:51 PM

Also has one of the original magazines and holster. Great gun that I let my son shoot until he is ready for something bigger.

StoneChimney · 12-27-2011, 04:18 PM

I believe that is a poorly struck WaA359, which is correct for Walther in Zella-Mehlis in 1940.

RJay · 12-27-2011, 04:25 PM

Waffenamt Mark 359 makes more sense, I researched the number you first gave 569 and it didn't compute. Military acceptance marks of E/359-E/AaA359 was first used in 1940/1941. You may want to change those grips if you continual shooting the gun, they are fragile and the grips alone will bring 250 to 300 dollars

Value, , the prices are rising on all WWII items, especially the Walther's with correct markings. If the holster is correct and the gun looks to be in good condition, I would guess 1200. However that is just a guesstimate on my part, others my have a more current estimate. If it were mine I would stop shooting it, but that is just me.

victor h · 01-05-2012, 01:21 PM

i have a walther ppk serial number 200833k the thing i cant understand is the eagle over x with a c stamped besides on the frame and the barrell and slide are stamped crown over n i realy want to know the history of this gun

StoneChimney · 01-05-2012, 01:51 PM

Victor h, your PPK was manufactured in 1939 and was a Nazi police-issue gun. The Eagle over X is actually an Eagle over a swastika. The Crown over N are just typical proof marks from the period.

If you can post good clear pictures we might can tell more about it including ballpark value.

Jim K · 01-05-2012, 02:51 PM

359 was the number assigned to the head of the WaffenAmt inspection team at Walther. He seems to have been there throughout the war, probably a pretty good assignment.

The presence of a WaA stamp on an otherwise commercial pistol indicates it was taken into Army service, either bought as part of a special order or diverted out of stock due to military needs. Later small pistol production all went to the Army and had the WaA mark but not the commercial eagle/N proof; in the final months of WWII, the Walther markings were replaced with the military "ac" code.

The eagle/swastika with C, F, or L indicates police procurement. I have been trying for some time to determine the actual meaning of the letters, but have not been successful, so if someone knows or can cite a reference, I would appreciate it.

The "eagle/swastika C" is the least common and can bring a price premium.

Jim

12-26-2011, 06:58 PM	#1
pdmii Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 2	Walther PPK 7.65 I have a Walther PPK .32 that my grandfather brought back from Germany. The serial number is 272684K which I do know is from 1940. What I can not figure out is what the marking is and the number 569 that is stamped above the magazine release and then further below behind the trigger. I have seen all the info about the crown and then the letter N, but nothing on the markings of my gun. Any info would be greatly appreciated. -->

12-27-2011, 03:24 AM	#2
StoneChimney Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,087	Re: Walther PPK 7.65 Can you post a clear picture? __________________ Full service gunsmithing and firearm manufacturing shop. Licensed FFL 07/02 Manufacturer. Visit our website!

12-27-2011, 03:51 PM	#3
pdmii Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 2	Re: Walther PPK 7.65 Also has one of the original magazines and holster. Great gun that I let my son shoot until he is ready for something bigger. Attached Images

12-27-2011, 04:18 PM	#4
StoneChimney Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,087	Re: Walther PPK 7.65 I believe that is a poorly struck WaA359, which is correct for Walther in Zella-Mehlis in 1940. __________________ Full service gunsmithing and firearm manufacturing shop. Licensed FFL 07/02 Manufacturer. Visit our website!

12-27-2011, 04:25 PM	#5
RJay Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 3,486	Re: Walther PPK 7.65 Waffenamt Mark 359 makes more sense, I researched the number you first gave 569 and it didn't compute. Military acceptance marks of E/359-E/AaA359 was first used in 1940/1941. You may want to change those grips if you continual shooting the gun, they are fragile and the grips alone will bring 250 to 300 dollars Value, , the prices are rising on all WWII items, especially the Walther's with correct markings. If the holster is correct and the gun looks to be in good condition, I would guess 1200. However that is just a guesstimate on my part, others my have a more current estimate. If it were mine I would stop shooting it, but that is just me. __________________ RonJames

01-05-2012, 01:21 PM	#6
victor h Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1	Re: Walther PPK 7.65 i have a walther ppk serial number 200833k the thing i cant understand is the eagle over x with a c stamped besides on the frame and the barrell and slide are stamped crown over n i realy want to know the history of this gun Last edited by victor h; 01-05-2012 at 01:23 PM..

01-05-2012, 01:51 PM	#7
StoneChimney Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,087	Re: Walther PPK 7.65 Victor h, your PPK was manufactured in 1939 and was a Nazi police-issue gun. The Eagle over X is actually an Eagle over a swastika. The Crown over N are just typical proof marks from the period. If you can post good clear pictures we might can tell more about it including ballpark value. __________________ Full service gunsmithing and firearm manufacturing shop. Licensed FFL 07/02 Manufacturer. Visit our website!

01-05-2012, 02:51 PM	#8
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: Walther PPK 7.65 359 was the number assigned to the head of the WaffenAmt inspection team at Walther. He seems to have been there throughout the war, probably a pretty good assignment. The presence of a WaA stamp on an otherwise commercial pistol indicates it was taken into Army service, either bought as part of a special order or diverted out of stock due to military needs. Later small pistol production all went to the Army and had the WaA mark but not the commercial eagle/N proof; in the final months of WWII, the Walther markings were replaced with the military "ac" code. The eagle/swastika with C, F, or L indicates police procurement. I have been trying for some time to determine the actual meaning of the letters, but have not been successful, so if someone knows or can cite a reference, I would appreciate it. The "eagle/swastika C" is the least common and can bring a price premium. Jim