.17mach2 - The Firearms Forum

Ledslnger · 01-02-2012, 06:50 PM

Looking to get a .17m2 in the near future. Was going for the Savage Mark II FV, but I saw a nice CZ chambered in the m2 today. The CZ will be $100 more than the Savage. I like the accu-trigger on the Savage though, but the CZ had a beautiful stock and nice looking heavy barrel with a covered front sight. It had a quality old school look about it that I liked, while the Savage has a more modern look.
I have never had a CZ before, heard good things about their pistols though. Which way would everyone go and why????

rcairflr · 01-02-2012, 07:05 PM

Either would work great, personally I would go with the CZ since they look nicer.

I would reconsider the .17m2 and go with the .17hmr instead.

Ledslnger · 01-02-2012, 07:23 PM

I reload and cannot bring myself to pay 3x the cost in price of ammo when going from the m2 to the HMR. Another reason, I am buying a Ruger .204 now that will smoke H out of the .17 HMR if I want a bit larger caliber than the m2.

bamajoey · 01-02-2012, 07:26 PM

I have 4 CZ 452's, all have triggers that are less than 16 oz. with 0 creep. The 453's have single set triggers but they cost almost $100 more. In my opinion not worth the extra money. The CZ 's are top quality. Fit and finish is much better than Savage. Savage is accurate, but it's not a CZ. Before you make up your mind, google CZ 452 or 455 vs Savage Mark II VF. Read up on both. YMMV

Ledslnger · 01-02-2012, 08:38 PM

Thanks for the info, it is much appreciated. I have read one article on both CZ and Savage .17m2s and both had good reviews. I think I would be happy with either. Think I need to figure out if I want nice wood or synthetic. Leaning towards the wood CZ since I most likely won't be using it for hunting. If I was it would probably be synthetic. Wouldn't mind hearing from a couple of more people though.

lonewolf204 · 01-02-2012, 09:01 PM

I would not buy a Savage mark II in 17 Mach 2! I've had three of them and all three had ejection problems. The case splits and it will not eject it!

Ledslnger · 01-03-2012, 07:16 AM

Really, damn that is not good. Okay, appreciate the input. Thanks!

mr.t7024 · 01-03-2012, 11:26 AM

I have a Savage 93BTV i .17HMR it is a tack driver. It is made in North America. I use to sell them at Dick's Sporting Goods And Bass Pro. You can not go wrong.

LDBennett · 01-03-2012, 02:33 PM

I have a CZ452 Varmint in 17HM2. While I got it to shoot well, I think a better gun for me would have been the same rifle in 22LR.

The 17HM2 hype was furious when I bought it some seven years ago. It was suppose to be laser like in accuracy. The truth was there were only four ammos available for it: CCI/ Hornady, Remington, and Eley. After going through all four, the Eley was twice as accurate as the CCI/Hornady and the Remington split the difference. Even the ELEY only matched what a good 22 ammo would do in the 22LR version and the choices of ammo that a 22LR version might like would have been endless. The 17HM2 cartridge is over rated, expensive, and has problem with over pressure in semi-auto guns and some bolt guns.

A better bet is a good 22LR rifle like the CZ or a bottom of the line Anschutz or any number of other really good 22 rifles. My Volquartsenized Ruger 10/22 (barrel, trigger parts, stock are Volquartsen) shoots right with the 17HM2 CZ Varmint I have when both are fed ammo they like. So much for "laser" accuracy in the original hype.

LDBennett

denglazer · 01-03-2012, 03:09 PM

It depends on what you're intended use is going to be. I have 2 hm2's and both are very accurate and superb small game rifles.If you want a paper-puncher and/or plinking rifle you may want to go with a .22. As for ammo,Eley is very accurate in both rifles(Savage FV and CZ 452 Varmint), so to me the limited amount of ammo makers is a moot point.I also have a Savage HMR that I hardly ever shoot anymore,prefering my .22 mag. To each his own.

mr.t7024 · 01-03-2012, 03:17 PM

One can buy a .17HMR BTV in stainless for around 400 dollars,I am not sure what the CZ costs,but I am sure it goes for much more. Check them all out,pick the one that fits best for both your wallet and arms!

gdmoody · 01-03-2012, 03:35 PM

I have a Ruger 10/22 with an E.A.Brown 17Mach2 conversion barrel for it. Accuracy is OK but it is hard to spend almost $6.00 for 50 rounds of ammo for it.

LDBennett · 01-03-2012, 03:56 PM

gdmoody:

That's the other drawback of 17HM2. It is twice as expensive as good 22LR ammo like CCI SV. But if you are a hunter and need the energy of the 17HM2 then you may be stuck with 17HM2 or 17HMR and expensive ammo costs.

I don't hunt and only target shoot. So the 17HM2 is useless to me if it is not significantly more accurate than 22LR which I have found it NOT to be.

But hey, you have to have one of everything so I still have my CZ Varmint in 17HM2. But I also have my Anschutz Silhouette with a fully adjustable two stage trigger, based on the "64" action. Now thats one accurate gun in 22LR.

LDBennett

Trevor1837 · 01-03-2012, 09:10 PM

If you like the look of the wood, look at the savage mark ii bv, I have one and I love the looks...

Freebore · 01-03-2012, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ledslnger

Looking to get a .17m2 in the near future. Was going for the Savage Mark II FV, but I saw a nice CZ chambered in the m2 today. The CZ will be $100 more than the Savage. I like the accu-trigger on the Savage though, but the CZ had a beautiful stock and nice looking heavy barrel with a covered front sight. It had a quality old school look about it that I liked, while the Savage has a more modern look.
I have never had a CZ before, heard good things about their pistols though. Which way would everyone go and why????

You pretty much answered your own question above, I generally buy what I like. While CZ does make some nice firearms I (again) tend to buy products that support local industries. As for the 17HM2, I don't see any real advantage in this cartridge, with the 22LR, 22M, and the 17HMR availabe, where's the point of this caliber in a rifle, cost of operation is close to the 17HMR and 22 Mag, both of which I feel are far superior.

As for Savage, I have four (2-17HMR, 1-22-250, and 1-223, all have excellent accuracy and dependability.

bamajoey · 01-04-2012, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mrt

One can buy a .17HMR BTV in stainless for around 400 dollars,I am not sure what the CZ costs,but I am sure it goes for much more. Check them all out,pick the one that fits best for both your wallet and arms!

$380-500 from Buds Gun Shop depending on the style.

mr.t7024 · 01-04-2012, 06:19 PM

And then you have to pay shipping and transfer fees!

bamajoey · 01-04-2012, 09:12 PM

Last I heard, free shipping from Buds.

accident · 01-07-2012, 10:16 PM

I too have a CZ452 varmint in .17m2. I like everything about the gun but if I had it to do over again I would buy it in .22lr. The m2 can get expensive if you want to do a lot of plinking. Also I wonder how expensive or available the ammo will be in years to come. Joe

Albtraum · 01-08-2012, 01:35 AM

The 17's seem to be a love-it or hate-it thing. I like the their design to be honest, such precision and consistency. I wish the ammo for them was a little cheaper, especially being rimfire. I have two uncles with .17hmr rifles, one has a Marlin bolt, the other, a Henry Golden Boy. I've only shot the Marlin bolt, and can say it's a lot more accurate than my brothers decked out 10/22.

01-02-2012, 06:50 PM	#1
Ledslnger V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: N Central, IA Posts: 415	.17mach2 Looking to get a .17m2 in the near future. Was going for the Savage Mark II FV, but I saw a nice CZ chambered in the m2 today. The CZ will be $100 more than the Savage. I like the accu-trigger on the Savage though, but the CZ had a beautiful stock and nice looking heavy barrel with a covered front sight. It had a quality old school look about it that I liked, while the Savage has a more modern look. I have never had a CZ before, heard good things about their pistols though. Which way would everyone go and why???? -->

01-02-2012, 07:05 PM	#2
rcairflr Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Wichita, Ks Posts: 1,317	Re: .17mach2 Either would work great, personally I would go with the CZ since they look nicer. I would reconsider the .17m2 and go with the .17hmr instead.

01-02-2012, 07:23 PM	#3
Ledslnger V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: N Central, IA Posts: 415	Re: .17mach2 I reload and cannot bring myself to pay 3x the cost in price of ammo when going from the m2 to the HMR. Another reason, I am buying a Ruger .204 now that will smoke H out of the .17 HMR if I want a bit larger caliber than the m2.

01-02-2012, 07:26 PM	#4
bamajoey Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Pensacola Contributor Posts: 1,257	Re: .17mach2 I have 4 CZ 452's, all have triggers that are less than 16 oz. with 0 creep. The 453's have single set triggers but they cost almost $100 more. In my opinion not worth the extra money. The CZ 's are top quality. Fit and finish is much better than Savage. Savage is accurate, but it's not a CZ. Before you make up your mind, google CZ 452 or 455 vs Savage Mark II VF. Read up on both. YMMV

01-02-2012, 08:38 PM	#5
Ledslnger V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: N Central, IA Posts: 415	Re: .17mach2 Thanks for the info, it is much appreciated. I have read one article on both CZ and Savage .17m2s and both had good reviews. I think I would be happy with either. Think I need to figure out if I want nice wood or synthetic. Leaning towards the wood CZ since I most likely won't be using it for hunting. If I was it would probably be synthetic. Wouldn't mind hearing from a couple of more people though.

01-02-2012, 09:01 PM	#6
lonewolf204 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Oklahoma Contributor Posts: 789	Re: .17mach2 I would not buy a Savage mark II in 17 Mach 2! I've had three of them and all three had ejection problems. The case splits and it will not eject it! __________________ Fear is only a word in the mind of the weak!

01-03-2012, 07:16 AM	#7
Ledslnger V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: N Central, IA Posts: 415	Re: .17mach2 Really, damn that is not good. Okay, appreciate the input. Thanks!

01-03-2012, 11:26 AM	#8
mr.t7024 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Near a brook & pond in Ma Posts: 734	Re: .17mach2 I have a Savage 93BTV i .17HMR it is a tack driver. It is made in North America. I use to sell them at Dick's Sporting Goods And Bass Pro. You can not go wrong.

01-03-2012, 02:33 PM	#9
LDBennett Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hesperia, CA Posts: 5,711	Re: .17mach2 I have a CZ452 Varmint in 17HM2. While I got it to shoot well, I think a better gun for me would have been the same rifle in 22LR. The 17HM2 hype was furious when I bought it some seven years ago. It was suppose to be laser like in accuracy. The truth was there were only four ammos available for it: CCI/ Hornady, Remington, and Eley. After going through all four, the Eley was twice as accurate as the CCI/Hornady and the Remington split the difference. Even the ELEY only matched what a good 22 ammo would do in the 22LR version and the choices of ammo that a 22LR version might like would have been endless. The 17HM2 cartridge is over rated, expensive, and has problem with over pressure in semi-auto guns and some bolt guns. A better bet is a good 22LR rifle like the CZ or a bottom of the line Anschutz or any number of other really good 22 rifles. My Volquartsenized Ruger 10/22 (barrel, trigger parts, stock are Volquartsen) shoots right with the 17HM2 CZ Varmint I have when both are fed ammo they like. So much for "laser" accuracy in the original hype. LDBennett

01-03-2012, 03:09 PM	#10
denglazer Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 6	Re: .17mach2 It depends on what you're intended use is going to be. I have 2 hm2's and both are very accurate and superb small game rifles.If you want a paper-puncher and/or plinking rifle you may want to go with a .22. As for ammo,Eley is very accurate in both rifles(Savage FV and CZ 452 Varmint), so to me the limited amount of ammo makers is a moot point.I also have a Savage HMR that I hardly ever shoot anymore,prefering my .22 mag. To each his own. Last edited by denglazer; 01-03-2012 at 03:11 PM..

01-03-2012, 03:17 PM	#11
mr.t7024 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Near a brook & pond in Ma Posts: 734	Re: .17mach2 One can buy a .17HMR BTV in stainless for around 400 dollars,I am not sure what the CZ costs,but I am sure it goes for much more. Check them all out,pick the one that fits best for both your wallet and arms!

01-03-2012, 03:35 PM	#12
gdmoody Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northeast Georgia Contributor Posts: 6,313	Re: .17mach2 I have a Ruger 10/22 with an E.A.Brown 17Mach2 conversion barrel for it. Accuracy is OK but it is hard to spend almost $6.00 for 50 rounds of ammo for it. __________________ NRA Endowment Member GeorgiaCarry.Org Member Retired US Army Postal Worker Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.....author unknown (but obviously brilliant)

01-03-2012, 03:56 PM	#13
LDBennett Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hesperia, CA Posts: 5,711	Re: .17mach2 gdmoody: That's the other drawback of 17HM2. It is twice as expensive as good 22LR ammo like CCI SV. But if you are a hunter and need the energy of the 17HM2 then you may be stuck with 17HM2 or 17HMR and expensive ammo costs. I don't hunt and only target shoot. So the 17HM2 is useless to me if it is not significantly more accurate than 22LR which I have found it NOT to be. But hey, you have to have one of everything so I still have my CZ Varmint in 17HM2. But I also have my Anschutz Silhouette with a fully adjustable two stage trigger, based on the "64" action. Now thats one accurate gun in 22LR. LDBennett

01-03-2012, 09:10 PM	#14
Trevor1837 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 262	Re: .17mach2 If you like the look of the wood, look at the savage mark ii bv, I have one and I love the looks...

01-04-2012, 06:19 PM	#17
mr.t7024 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Near a brook & pond in Ma Posts: 734	Re: .17mach2 And then you have to pay shipping and transfer fees!

01-04-2012, 09:12 PM	#18
bamajoey Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Pensacola Contributor Posts: 1,257	Re: .17mach2 Last I heard, free shipping from Buds.

01-07-2012, 10:16 PM	#19
accident V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: middle GA Posts: 364	Re: .17mach2 I too have a CZ452 varmint in .17m2. I like everything about the gun but if I had it to do over again I would buy it in .22lr. The m2 can get expensive if you want to do a lot of plinking. Also I wonder how expensive or available the ammo will be in years to come. Joe __________________ "The strongest reason for the people to retain the Right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in Government." Thomas Jefferson

01-08-2012, 01:35 AM	#20
Albtraum Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 635	Re: .17mach2 The 17's seem to be a love-it or hate-it thing. I like the their design to be honest, such precision and consistency. I wish the ammo for them was a little cheaper, especially being rimfire. I have two uncles with .17hmr rifles, one has a Marlin bolt, the other, a Henry Golden Boy. I've only shot the Marlin bolt, and can say it's a lot more accurate than my brothers decked out 10/22.