Old Double Shotgun - The Firearms Forum

scarlisle · 01-13-2012, 02:01 PM

Hello to all. I'm having a real problem trying to find out the name and year this shotgun was made. I have researched very good and can't find anything. Maybe someone has seen one or know about this gun. I'll give what info. I have. Under the barrels are the following: The letters "ELG in an oval with a star under the letters

On the right barrel is a V with a crown; also the letters 18.8 there is also some kind of mark that I have no idea what it is. On the left barrel is a R with a different crown over it. I'm aware of the Belgium marks, and the proff marks are the V&R (I think.) I havent removed the Butt plate as of yet. I'd like to know something before I do that. I don't have any info. other than that. It has lots of scroll work and engraving on it. I have plenty of pictures on "Photobucket." Here's how to get to the pictures: (http://photobucket.com/1800sBblgun) When you get to the page click on "all albums" then scroll down to "Old Doublebarrel shotgun" Click on the picture and it will enlarge and then just click "Next" to advance through the pictures. That's all there is to it. While you are there you might want to look at my 1949 Chevy truck that I'm just about through with. Any info. will be appriciated. I put them on Photobucket because I put a good many pictures on there. Thanks for taking the time and maybe helping. If you want to email me feel free to do so at (Steven1oakridge@yahoo.com) It also has the letters stenciled on the underside of the right barrel "LCH." The gun is 50 1/4" long and the barrel is 34 1/2"

scarlisle · 01-13-2012, 03:57 PM

I forgot, it also has the letters stenciled under the right barrel "LCH." Sorry, you can see it in the pictures.

Buffalochip · 01-20-2012, 11:35 AM

As you know, the ELG is a Belgian proof mark. The V and R under crowns are inspector's marks--used between 1853 and 1877. Your shotgun, although a bit fancier than most, is fairly typical of double barrel muzzleloaders of that period. LCH may be the barrel maker. I'd date it about 1870.

Anchor Clanker · 01-20-2012, 08:12 PM

Sorry, but the photographs are not clear enough for these old eyes to make out the markings. I'll have to accept what others reported. Could find no listing for a LCH but did fin listings for a LH (Henri Lochet Chaufontaine) and LLH (L. Lochet Harbarn) both Belgian barrel maskers.

scarlisle · 01-21-2012, 09:58 AM

Thank you all for the replys. At least I know more than I did. I also found the Letters, "F.T" on the barrel. I removed the side plates and found no marks of any kind. What I did find was some of the best workmanship that I've seen. Unreal how the small parts were made in the 1800's. I'll post some pictures soon of the inside of the Hammers. Again, Thank you so much. scarlisle

scarlisle · 01-21-2012, 01:53 PM

I'v added six more pictures to photobook. They will be the first six pictures of the hammer system. Note number 6 picture. If you zoom it you can see the letters "GL" I didn't see it until I zoomed the pictures. Maybe that means something. Thanks, scarlisle

scarlisle · 01-21-2012, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Anchor Clanker

Sorry, but the photographs are not clear enough for these old eyes to make out the markings. I'll have to accept what others reported. Could find no listing for a LCH but did fin listings for a LH (Henri Lochet Chaufontaine) and LLH (L. Lochet Harbarn) both Belgian barrel maskers.

Maybe if you zoom in on the pictures you can make them out more clearly. If you click "zoom' and then click "web zoom" it will enlarge them and you can see so much more. Thanks (you probably already knew that!)

Buffalochip · 01-21-2012, 06:56 PM

If you want to see some 1800s workmanship, take the back off a mid-century pocketwatch. This is typical quality (although it doesn't appear to be worn out). The carving, engraving, and crude inlays are more than what you would find of a run-of-the-mill gun of that era, but not that of a high-end shotgun.

scarlisle · 01-21-2012, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buffalochip

If you want to see some 1800s workmanship, take the back off a mid-century pocketwatch. This is typical quality (although it doesn't appear to be worn out). The carving, engraving, and crude inlays are more than what you would find of a run-of-the-mill gun of that era, but not that of a high-end shotgun.

Thanks for the info. I have an 'OLD" pocket watch and it still runs, of course you have to wind it but it keeps great time. The second hand on it does not jump but sweeps. I forget the name at the present , it's locked up in my safe. I open the safe often and every time I open it I set the time and wind it up.

Hawg · 01-22-2012, 07:16 AM

It's probably a guild gun. Meaning it had no specific maker. Just a lot of craftsmen making the parts they made best.

01-13-2012, 02:01 PM	#1
scarlisle Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Vicksburg, Mississippi Posts: 13	Old Double Shotgun Hello to all. I'm having a real problem trying to find out the name and year this shotgun was made. I have researched very good and can't find anything. Maybe someone has seen one or know about this gun. I'll give what info. I have. Under the barrels are the following: The letters "ELG in an oval with a star under the letters On the right barrel is a V with a crown; also the letters 18.8 there is also some kind of mark that I have no idea what it is. On the left barrel is a R with a different crown over it. I'm aware of the Belgium marks, and the proff marks are the V&R (I think.) I havent removed the Butt plate as of yet. I'd like to know something before I do that. I don't have any info. other than that. It has lots of scroll work and engraving on it. I have plenty of pictures on "Photobucket." Here's how to get to the pictures: (http://photobucket.com/1800sBblgun) When you get to the page click on "all albums" then scroll down to "Old Doublebarrel shotgun" Click on the picture and it will enlarge and then just click "Next" to advance through the pictures. That's all there is to it. While you are there you might want to look at my 1949 Chevy truck that I'm just about through with. Any info. will be appriciated. I put them on Photobucket because I put a good many pictures on there. Thanks for taking the time and maybe helping. If you want to email me feel free to do so at (Steven1oakridge@yahoo.com) It also has the letters stenciled on the underside of the right barrel "LCH." The gun is 50 1/4" long and the barrel is 34 1/2" --> Last edited by scarlisle; 01-14-2012 at 10:10 AM.. Reason: Forgot some info. Corrections

01-13-2012, 03:57 PM	#2
scarlisle Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Vicksburg, Mississippi Posts: 13	Re: Old Double Shotgun I forgot, it also has the letters stenciled under the right barrel "LCH." Sorry, you can see it in the pictures.

01-20-2012, 11:35 AM	#3
Buffalochip Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 754	Re: Old Double Shotgun As you know, the ELG is a Belgian proof mark. The V and R under crowns are inspector's marks--used between 1853 and 1877. Your shotgun, although a bit fancier than most, is fairly typical of double barrel muzzleloaders of that period. LCH may be the barrel maker. I'd date it about 1870.

01-20-2012, 08:12 PM	#4
Anchor Clanker V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Vacaville,California Posts: 196	Re: Old Double Shotgun Sorry, but the photographs are not clear enough for these old eyes to make out the markings. I'll have to accept what others reported. Could find no listing for a LCH but did fin listings for a LH (Henri Lochet Chaufontaine) and LLH (L. Lochet Harbarn) both Belgian barrel maskers.

01-21-2012, 09:58 AM	#5
scarlisle Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Vicksburg, Mississippi Posts: 13	Re: Old Double Shotgun Thank you all for the replys. At least I know more than I did. I also found the Letters, "F.T" on the barrel. I removed the side plates and found no marks of any kind. What I did find was some of the best workmanship that I've seen. Unreal how the small parts were made in the 1800's. I'll post some pictures soon of the inside of the Hammers. Again, Thank you so much. scarlisle

01-21-2012, 01:53 PM	#6
scarlisle Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Vicksburg, Mississippi Posts: 13	Re: Old Double Shotgun I'v added six more pictures to photobook. They will be the first six pictures of the hammer system. Note number 6 picture. If you zoom it you can see the letters "GL" I didn't see it until I zoomed the pictures. Maybe that means something. Thanks, scarlisle

01-21-2012, 06:56 PM	#8
Buffalochip Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 754	Re: Old Double Shotgun If you want to see some 1800s workmanship, take the back off a mid-century pocketwatch. This is typical quality (although it doesn't appear to be worn out). The carving, engraving, and crude inlays are more than what you would find of a run-of-the-mill gun of that era, but not that of a high-end shotgun.

01-22-2012, 07:16 AM	#10
Hawg Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,557	Re: Old Double Shotgun It's probably a guild gun. Meaning it had no specific maker. Just a lot of craftsmen making the parts they made best.