H&R Model 826 Not firing - The Firearms Forum

Trason806 · 01-02-2012, 10:35 PM

i recently got a hold of a H&R model 826 22 W.M.R.F. it was my wife's granddad's. it is a AX SN. i believe it was made in 1981. i bought a box of Winchester 22 mag and took it to the range. the gun fired only about 30% for the time. examining the hulls (fired and unfired) revealed that the firing pin is not hitting hard enough or not traveling far enough forward to make good indents. i found a diagram online and have completely disassembled the firearm. the guns appears to be in good shape and not fired very much at all. i am including a picture of the firing pin. hopefully someone has heard of this problem and can help. i know this gun is not worth a lot of money that is why i am trying to fix it without the cost of a gunsmith.

StoneChimney · 01-03-2012, 05:48 AM

That looks like a centerfire firing pin. The rimfire pin has an anvil-type point.

Jim Hauff · 01-03-2012, 09:29 AM

Agreed - looks like the pin used in the 832 or the '500' series .32 H&R Mag line.

Trason806 · 01-03-2012, 10:47 AM

well that would explain the problem. any ideas where i can get a correct firing pin? also should i get a new spring for the firing pin or did all the 800's use the same one?

StoneChimney · 01-03-2012, 10:55 AM

If the pin has adequate protrusion, simply reform the point like the picture shown (both sides). If the pin is being pushed back below the recoil shield then your firing pin spring is adequate.

Jim Hauff · 01-03-2012, 11:02 AM

Gotta watch where the "wedge" strikes - the purpose build rimfire pin is offset to the top, while the centerfire pin comes straight out from the center.

StoneChimney · 01-03-2012, 11:05 AM

Right. Should be enough there to make it work though. If not, he hasn't lost anything and can still get the new part.

Trason806 · 01-03-2012, 02:20 PM

I do not believe the pin has adequate protrusion. the base of center fire cartridges is thicker than that of a .22 (so i believe this pin is shorter) however if i lengthened this pin it would not return enough to be safely behind the recoil shield. i would have to remove some metal so that the firing pin spring could allow the pin to move father back. i have included a drawing of what i believe i would have to modify. it would look much like the picture posted by StoneChimney. However http://www.gunpartscorp.com/ has a new firing pin part 274010A for about $11 shipped. i have ordered one and will post a follow up when i get it.

Trason806 · 01-30-2012, 08:52 PM

its been a while, but i got to the range. put 50 rounds of Winchester through it. had 2 failure to fires. hitting them again fired them both off. also the empty hulls stuck hard in one hole of the cylinder. i then tried some CCI maxi-mag. no failures and none of the hulls stuck. for this little gun i think i will stick with CCI.

Jim Hauff · 01-31-2012, 01:36 PM

Trason,
Thanks for the update...sounds like you've fixed the problem. For the sticky cylinder bore - try the brass/bronze brush chucked in your variable speed hand drill and CLP of some time. A couple hundred revs and it should remove all the crap baked in there. If not, then the cylinder in underbored.

01-02-2012, 10:35 PM	#1
Trason806 Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 4	H&R Model 826 Not firing i recently got a hold of a H&R model 826 22 W.M.R.F. it was my wife's granddad's. it is a AX SN. i believe it was made in 1981. i bought a box of Winchester 22 mag and took it to the range. the gun fired only about 30% for the time. examining the hulls (fired and unfired) revealed that the firing pin is not hitting hard enough or not traveling far enough forward to make good indents. i found a diagram online and have completely disassembled the firearm. the guns appears to be in good shape and not fired very much at all. i am including a picture of the firing pin. hopefully someone has heard of this problem and can help. i know this gun is not worth a lot of money that is why i am trying to fix it without the cost of a gunsmith. Attached Images -->

01-03-2012, 05:48 AM	#2
StoneChimney Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,087	Re: H&R Model 826 Not firing That looks like a centerfire firing pin. The rimfire pin has an anvil-type point. __________________ Full service gunsmithing and firearm manufacturing shop. Licensed FFL 07/02 Manufacturer. Visit our website!

01-03-2012, 09:29 AM	#3
Jim Hauff Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 2,980	Re: H&R Model 826 Not firing Agreed - looks like the pin used in the 832 or the '500' series .32 H&R Mag line. __________________ Jim Hauff ~ H&R Collector In Memory of Bill Goforth and Jim Ritchie

01-03-2012, 10:47 AM	#4
Trason806 Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 4	Re: H&R Model 826 Not firing well that would explain the problem. any ideas where i can get a correct firing pin? also should i get a new spring for the firing pin or did all the 800's use the same one?

01-03-2012, 10:55 AM	#5
StoneChimney Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,087	Re: H&R Model 826 Not firing If the pin has adequate protrusion, simply reform the point like the picture shown (both sides). If the pin is being pushed back below the recoil shield then your firing pin spring is adequate. __________________ Full service gunsmithing and firearm manufacturing shop. Licensed FFL 07/02 Manufacturer. Visit our website!

01-03-2012, 11:02 AM	#6
Jim Hauff Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 2,980	Re: H&R Model 826 Not firing Gotta watch where the "wedge" strikes - the purpose build rimfire pin is offset to the top, while the centerfire pin comes straight out from the center. __________________ Jim Hauff ~ H&R Collector In Memory of Bill Goforth and Jim Ritchie

01-03-2012, 11:05 AM	#7
StoneChimney Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,087	Re: H&R Model 826 Not firing Right. Should be enough there to make it work though. If not, he hasn't lost anything and can still get the new part. __________________ Full service gunsmithing and firearm manufacturing shop. Licensed FFL 07/02 Manufacturer. Visit our website!

01-03-2012, 02:20 PM	#8
Trason806 Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 4	Re: H&R Model 826 Not firing I do not believe the pin has adequate protrusion. the base of center fire cartridges is thicker than that of a .22 (so i believe this pin is shorter) however if i lengthened this pin it would not return enough to be safely behind the recoil shield. i would have to remove some metal so that the firing pin spring could allow the pin to move father back. i have included a drawing of what i believe i would have to modify. it would look much like the picture posted by StoneChimney. However http://www.gunpartscorp.com/ has a new firing pin part 274010A for about $11 shipped. i have ordered one and will post a follow up when i get it. Attached Images

01-30-2012, 08:52 PM	#9
Trason806 Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 4	Re: H&R Model 826 Not firing its been a while, but i got to the range. put 50 rounds of Winchester through it. had 2 failure to fires. hitting them again fired them both off. also the empty hulls stuck hard in one hole of the cylinder. i then tried some CCI maxi-mag. no failures and none of the hulls stuck. for this little gun i think i will stick with CCI.

01-31-2012, 01:36 PM	#10
Jim Hauff Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 2,980	Re: H&R Model 826 Not firing Trason, Thanks for the update...sounds like you've fixed the problem. For the sticky cylinder bore - try the brass/bronze brush chucked in your variable speed hand drill and CLP of some time. A couple hundred revs and it should remove all the crap baked in there. If not, then the cylinder in underbored. __________________ Jim Hauff ~ H&R Collector In Memory of Bill Goforth and Jim Ritchie