Is Obama and Congress Honorable? - The Firearms Forum

Rhuga · 03-02-2012, 06:40 PM

One of the first laws that Obama signed was to break a long standing treaty with the Native Americans of this country by taxing their tobacco products that they sold. Are there other groups that the US doesn't tax? Is he and Congress afraid to touch touch them?

Has Obama broken other trusts and agreements that have been a long standing tradition? I say, YES.

His new campaign says he is for the Middle Class. Why isn't he for everybody in America?

This is just one example of his dishonorable tactics to destroy America. Are there more? The list goes on.....

Rhuga · 03-02-2012, 07:14 PM

Sorry folks for the rambling. I am just exorcised feeling that it is raining on my back and it doesn't look like pure water.

jack404 · 03-02-2012, 07:20 PM

only if treason fraud and gross deception is now honourable

cycloneman · 03-02-2012, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhuga

Sorry folks for the rambling. I am just exorcised feeling that it is raining on my back and it doesn't look like pure water.

woke up and smelled bozo the head criminal in charge eh?

Bobitis · 03-02-2012, 07:41 PM

It's my understanding that WA State is the only state in the union that doesn't tax 'native' casinos.

Hence 27 years of D rule. And a state that is 5 Billion in debt.

Hmmm...

gad1111 · 03-02-2012, 08:07 PM

"His new campaign says he is for the Middle Class. Why isn't he for everybody in America?"

They all say that or "families". Standard class warfare stuff.

graehaven · 03-02-2012, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhuga

One of the first laws that Obama signed was to break a long standing treaty with the Native Americans of this country by taxing their tobacco products that they sold. Are there other groups that the US doesn't tax? Is he and Congress afraid to touch touch them?

Has Obama broken other trusts and agreements that have been a long standing tradition? I say, YES.

His new campaign says he is for the Middle Class. Why isn't he for everybody in America?

This is just one example of his dishonorable tactics to destroy America. Are there more? The list goes on.....

There's a lot worse that he's done. I don't believe that the NAs should be able to conduct business tax free. That's ridiculous. They can pay like the rest of us.

76Highboy · 03-02-2012, 08:19 PM

[QUOTE=jack404;883755]only if treason fraud and gross deception is now honourable[/QUOTE

Ditto. +1. I agree. Well said. Scumbags!

jstgsn · 03-02-2012, 08:43 PM

I'm sorry, I don't understand the "scumbags" comment...
Did I miss something?

fordtrucksforever · 03-03-2012, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jstgsn

I'm sorry, I don't understand the "scumbags" comment...
Did I miss something?

All politicians are...

jack404 · 03-03-2012, 01:41 AM

agreed

gun runner · 03-03-2012, 03:48 AM

Obama is a terrible president and a disgrace to be considered a president of the USA. I think if George Washington and the founders of this great country of the USA were to find out about him they would roll over in their graves and puke. Lets just pray he is just a one term president.

Gun Geezer · 03-03-2012, 06:49 PM

The problem is Americans are so busy trying to keep their heads above water in today's economy, the only things they hear are the liberal lies they are fed from Hollywood and the media. Add to that, those who are on the public dole and some misguided liberal do-gooders and we will have another 4 years of Kenyan rule. God forbid!

jbmid1 · 03-04-2012, 08:48 PM

The answer is NO.

jbmid1 · 03-04-2012, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by gun runner

Obama is a terrible president and a disgrace to be considered a president of the USA. I think if George Washington and the founders of this great country of the USA were to find out about him they would roll over in their graves and puke. Lets just pray he is just a one term president.

That explains the smell of hydrocloric acid at the cemetery.

jbmid1 · 03-04-2012, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by graehaven

There's a lot worse that he's done. I don't believe that the NAs should be able to conduct business tax free. That's ridiculous. They can pay like the rest of us.

It's a longstanding treaty obligation. One of a very few that have actually been kept.

Rhuga · 03-05-2012, 02:36 PM

The Native American Treaty's have been in existence since the late 1800's. Many tragic stories exist about the treatment that the Native American's received at the hands of the "white man". It wasn't until 1956 that the Indians were allowed to lawfully leave the reservations. Until that time they were degraded from being a once proud, strong, and moral people to something a lot less by being "locked up" on a Reservation with a very sorry existence and very little rights or education. They were lied to, they were murdered, and treated in a very barbaric nature. In 1895, it has been estimated that over 95% of the population had been wiped out. The rest is history that few people ever have taken the time to study.

Until the casinos their only method of industry was selling blankets and jewelry to making and selling cigarettes tax free. The US recognized the Native Americans as being a sovereign nation unto their own in the 1800 treaties. And taxes were not required to be paid on any of their profits to the US under those treaty obligations. Even when oil was discovered on some of the reservations. The Native Americans were moved off to a new Reservation and in most cases, did not receive any royalties from the oil found on land that was given to them and was promised to be theirs for all time.

And with the stroke of a pen Obama made the US a little less honorable in it's dealings with America's original people by making them pay taxes on their products and by preventing them from being able to use the U.S. Mail for sending their products amongst other things, that gave them an opportunity increase their standard of living.

What a shame! Another great lie in a long list of lies!

raven818 · 03-05-2012, 03:16 PM

My wife and I flew to Las Vegas along with two fiends. We had reservations at the Excalibur ( it was one year old at the time ). We went three days earlier than our due check in time.

I rented an SUV, and we all took off to see what we could before we had to be back to the hotel so we could play tourist before going broke.

To say I was shocked to see the conditions the Natives lived in, is an understatement. We did not enter any reservations. Deplorable is still not appropriate, or accurate.

The city folks who claim poverty, in most cases, don't have the first idea of what poverty really means. The have their cars, TV's, $150.00 shoes, a liveable home, food to eat and running water.

The three days we spent on the road proved, without a doubt, the so-called poor we know of, don't have a clue. It's been a lot of years since that trip. My wife and I don't discuss the Vegas trip. But if the subject comes up among friends, we talk about the Natives.

One would have to see it, to believe how they live. Very sad treatment for the original citizens of this country.

03-02-2012, 06:40 PM	#1
Rhuga Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Henderson, Nevada Posts: 645	Is Obama and Congress Honorable? One of the first laws that Obama signed was to break a long standing treaty with the Native Americans of this country by taxing their tobacco products that they sold. Are there other groups that the US doesn't tax? Is he and Congress afraid to touch touch them? Has Obama broken other trusts and agreements that have been a long standing tradition? I say, YES. His new campaign says he is for the Middle Class. Why isn't he for everybody in America? This is just one example of his dishonorable tactics to destroy America. Are there more? The list goes on..... --> Last edited by Rhuga; 03-02-2012 at 07:16 PM..

03-02-2012, 07:14 PM	#2
Rhuga Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Henderson, Nevada Posts: 645	Re: Is Obama and Congress Honorable? Sorry folks for the rambling. I am just exorcised feeling that it is raining on my back and it doesn't look like pure water.

03-02-2012, 07:20 PM	#3
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Is Obama and Congress Honorable? only if treason fraud and gross deception is now honourable

03-02-2012, 07:41 PM	#5
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: Is Obama and Congress Honorable? It's my understanding that WA State is the only state in the union that doesn't tax 'native' casinos. Hence 27 years of D rule. And a state that is 5 Billion in debt. Hmmm... __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

03-02-2012, 08:07 PM	#6
gad1111 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Swanton, Ohio Posts: 272	Re: Is Obama and Congress Honorable? "His new campaign says he is for the Middle Class. Why isn't he for everybody in America?" They all say that or "families". Standard class warfare stuff.

03-02-2012, 08:19 PM	#8
76Highboy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Meridian, Idaho Contributor Posts: 6,959	Re: Is Obama and Congress Honorable? [QUOTE=jack404;883755]only if treason fraud and gross deception is now honourable[/QUOTE Ditto. +1. I agree. Well said. Scumbags!

03-02-2012, 08:43 PM	#9
jstgsn Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Milford, Delaware Contributor Posts: 1,273	Re: Is Obama and Congress Honorable? I'm sorry, I don't understand the "scumbags" comment... Did I miss something? __________________ Don’t pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he will just kill you.

03-03-2012, 01:41 AM	#11
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Is Obama and Congress Honorable? agreed

03-03-2012, 03:48 AM	#12
gun runner Former Guest Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: South Texas Contributor Posts: 1,871	Re: Is Obama and Congress Honorable? Obama is a terrible president and a disgrace to be considered a president of the USA. I think if George Washington and the founders of this great country of the USA were to find out about him they would roll over in their graves and puke. Lets just pray he is just a one term president.

03-03-2012, 06:49 PM	#13
Gun Geezer Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,710	Re: Is Obama and Congress Honorable? The problem is Americans are so busy trying to keep their heads above water in today's economy, the only things they hear are the liberal lies they are fed from Hollywood and the media. Add to that, those who are on the public dole and some misguided liberal do-gooders and we will have another 4 years of Kenyan rule. God forbid!

03-04-2012, 08:48 PM	#14
jbmid1 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,077	Re: Is Obama and Congress Honorable? The answer is NO.

03-05-2012, 02:36 PM	#17
Rhuga Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Henderson, Nevada Posts: 645	Re: Is Obama and Congress Honorable? The Native American Treaty's have been in existence since the late 1800's. Many tragic stories exist about the treatment that the Native American's received at the hands of the "white man". It wasn't until 1956 that the Indians were allowed to lawfully leave the reservations. Until that time they were degraded from being a once proud, strong, and moral people to something a lot less by being "locked up" on a Reservation with a very sorry existence and very little rights or education. They were lied to, they were murdered, and treated in a very barbaric nature. In 1895, it has been estimated that over 95% of the population had been wiped out. The rest is history that few people ever have taken the time to study. Until the casinos their only method of industry was selling blankets and jewelry to making and selling cigarettes tax free. The US recognized the Native Americans as being a sovereign nation unto their own in the 1800 treaties. And taxes were not required to be paid on any of their profits to the US under those treaty obligations. Even when oil was discovered on some of the reservations. The Native Americans were moved off to a new Reservation and in most cases, did not receive any royalties from the oil found on land that was given to them and was promised to be theirs for all time. And with the stroke of a pen Obama made the US a little less honorable in it's dealings with America's original people by making them pay taxes on their products and by preventing them from being able to use the U.S. Mail for sending their products amongst other things, that gave them an opportunity increase their standard of living. What a shame! Another great lie in a long list of lies! Last edited by Rhuga; 03-05-2012 at 11:31 PM..

03-05-2012, 03:16 PM	#18
raven818 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Jax, Fl. Contributor Posts: 4,423	Re: Is Obama and Congress Honorable? My wife and I flew to Las Vegas along with two fiends. We had reservations at the Excalibur ( it was one year old at the time ). We went three days earlier than our due check in time. I rented an SUV, and we all took off to see what we could before we had to be back to the hotel so we could play tourist before going broke. To say I was shocked to see the conditions the Natives lived in, is an understatement. We did not enter any reservations. Deplorable is still not appropriate, or accurate. The city folks who claim poverty, in most cases, don't have the first idea of what poverty really means. The have their cars, TV's, $150.00 shoes, a liveable home, food to eat and running water. The three days we spent on the road proved, without a doubt, the so-called poor we know of, don't have a clue. It's been a lot of years since that trip. My wife and I don't discuss the Vegas trip. But if the subject comes up among friends, we talk about the Natives. One would have to see it, to believe how they live. Very sad treatment for the original citizens of this country. __________________ Firearms and Salt Water Fishing Retired 42 Years LEO