ammo ejecting? - The Firearms Forum

ryan42 · 03-15-2012, 09:45 PM

I was shooting my 45acp glock today and I reload 230 grain fmj.everything was fine.My daughter started shooting and the casings were ejecting and instead of to the right and back about 2 ft they were hitting her in the chest.I took the gun and fired several shots with no probem.2 questions could it have been how she was holding the gun,meaning shorter arms or could it be because im loading them at the light side on the powder scale?Im loading a 4.5 gr.I dont know if the hotter you load the farther the eject,any ideas?

Alpo · 03-15-2012, 11:58 PM

A "recoil-operated" automatic recoils against the shooter, to work. This requires you to have a strong grip and a stiff arm. The major cause of "failure to eject" jams with automatics is "limp wristing", where you do not keep a stiff arm, so the gun loses some of its recoil energy, pushing the shooter's arm backwards.

Because it wastes some of its energy in this matter, it does not push the slide back with as much authority. In many cases, it pushes the slide back so weakly that the empty is not ejected.

What it sounds like, to me, is that your daughter, with (most probably) less upper body strength than you, is limp-wristing. Not enough to cause a "failure to eject" jam, but enough so that the slide is not coming back as hard, so the case is not hitting the ejector as hard, so it is no getting thrown as far from the gun.

She needs to, either, work on her grip, or do some upper body exercises to build up her strength.

Dirtypacman · 03-16-2012, 08:57 AM

Yup Alpo got it right, sounds like limp wristing to me.

I want to get a glock in .45 - what model do you have?
I am becoming a glockfanboy it seems.

PanhandlePop · 03-16-2012, 09:44 AM

First, it is great that you are shooting with your daughter! My G30 is pretty forgiving with respect to grip. But, my guess would be the same as the previous comments, not an issue with the load itself. Light loads that function in my 1911s just fail to eject reliably in my G30, it isn't a matter of how the cases eject. Next time, make sure she locks her wrist and elbow, lean into the target just a bit, and see if the ejection pattern changes.

ryan42 · 03-16-2012, 04:12 PM

That makes since because when I shoot it they eject just fine.They were only hitting my daughter in the chest.See ya learn something new everyday.

1 Eyed Jack · 03-16-2012, 04:44 PM

The same thing happens when my daughter shoot my 1911, she's not strong enough and the recoil/ejection makes it torque to the left and back, so the ejection chamber winds up being more straight up when the empty comes out, she has gotten hit in the forehead with an empty before, make sure you have her wearing eye protection

ryan42 · 03-16-2012, 05:24 PM

I agree.

BlackEagle · 03-16-2012, 07:30 PM

Glad to hear you both are enjoying shooting.

JLA · 03-16-2012, 08:21 PM

Ryan, are you familair with the Robby Positioner bowling wrist brace?

Get one for your daughter to wear when she shoots autos. Its will help the weapon function more relaibly and also reduce her wrist fatique in controlling a .45

ryan42 · 03-16-2012, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JLA

Ryan, are you familair with the Robby Positioner bowling wrist brace?

Get one for your daughter to wear when she shoots autos. Its will help the weapon function more relaibly and also reduce her wrist fatique in controlling a .45

ok thanks I would have never thought it was all in the grip.But makes perfect since cause I have no problem.I knew I asked the right guys.

JLA · 03-16-2012, 11:19 PM

Its 40% grip strength and 60% wrist strength. Thats why women generally have more of an issue with 'limp wristing' autos than men do. Its in the bone stucture. Most men are thicker at the wrist which naturally adds some stiffness to the platform. Add to that that most men are on average about 50% stronger than women and thats why you have the big difference.

Again, these are just stats, I do know a few women that can make men cry, and I do know there are men that, well, you know..

03-15-2012, 09:45 PM	#1
ryan42 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: marion indiana Contributor Posts: 1,549	ammo ejecting? I was shooting my 45acp glock today and I reload 230 grain fmj.everything was fine.My daughter started shooting and the casings were ejecting and instead of to the right and back about 2 ft they were hitting her in the chest.I took the gun and fired several shots with no probem.2 questions could it have been how she was holding the gun,meaning shorter arms or could it be because im loading them at the light side on the powder scale?Im loading a 4.5 gr.I dont know if the hotter you load the farther the eject,any ideas? -->

03-15-2012, 11:58 PM	#2
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,650	Re: ammo ejecting? A "recoil-operated" automatic recoils against the shooter, to work. This requires you to have a strong grip and a stiff arm. The major cause of "failure to eject" jams with automatics is "limp wristing", where you do not keep a stiff arm, so the gun loses some of its recoil energy, pushing the shooter's arm backwards. Because it wastes some of its energy in this matter, it does not push the slide back with as much authority. In many cases, it pushes the slide back so weakly that the empty is not ejected. What it sounds like, to me, is that your daughter, with (most probably) less upper body strength than you, is limp-wristing. Not enough to cause a "failure to eject" jam, but enough so that the slide is not coming back as hard, so the case is not hitting the ejector as hard, so it is no getting thrown as far from the gun. She needs to, either, work on her grip, or do some upper body exercises to build up her strength. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

03-16-2012, 08:57 AM	#3
Dirtypacman Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Merrimac Valley, MA Posts: 908	Re: ammo ejecting? Yup Alpo got it right, sounds like limp wristing to me. I want to get a glock in .45 - what model do you have? I am becoming a glockfanboy it seems. __________________ Member HHRG and HSC, NRA Life Member, GOAL Member LTC-A Last edited by Dirtypacman; 03-16-2012 at 08:58 AM..

03-16-2012, 09:44 AM	#4
PanhandlePop V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 252	Re: ammo ejecting? First, it is great that you are shooting with your daughter! My G30 is pretty forgiving with respect to grip. But, my guess would be the same as the previous comments, not an issue with the load itself. Light loads that function in my 1911s just fail to eject reliably in my G30, it isn't a matter of how the cases eject. Next time, make sure she locks her wrist and elbow, lean into the target just a bit, and see if the ejection pattern changes.

03-16-2012, 04:12 PM	#5
ryan42 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: marion indiana Contributor Posts: 1,549	Re: ammo ejecting? That makes since because when I shoot it they eject just fine.They were only hitting my daughter in the chest.See ya learn something new everyday.

03-16-2012, 04:44 PM	#6
1 Eyed Jack Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 673	Re: ammo ejecting? The same thing happens when my daughter shoot my 1911, she's not strong enough and the recoil/ejection makes it torque to the left and back, so the ejection chamber winds up being more straight up when the empty comes out, she has gotten hit in the forehead with an empty before, make sure you have her wearing eye protection

03-16-2012, 05:24 PM	#7
ryan42 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: marion indiana Contributor Posts: 1,549	Re: ammo ejecting? I agree.

03-16-2012, 07:30 PM	#8
BlackEagle Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: UK Posts: 3,154	Re: ammo ejecting? Glad to hear you both are enjoying shooting.

03-16-2012, 08:21 PM	#9
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,305	Re: ammo ejecting? Ryan, are you familair with the Robby Positioner bowling wrist brace? Get one for your daughter to wear when she shoots autos. Its will help the weapon function more relaibly and also reduce her wrist fatique in controlling a .45 __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

03-16-2012, 11:19 PM	#11
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,305	Re: ammo ejecting? Its 40% grip strength and 60% wrist strength. Thats why women generally have more of an issue with 'limp wristing' autos than men do. Its in the bone stucture. Most men are thicker at the wrist which naturally adds some stiffness to the platform. Add to that that most men are on average about 50% stronger than women and thats why you have the big difference. Again, these are just stats, I do know a few women that can make men cry, and I do know there are men that, well, you know.. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!