Police officer has gun license revoked 28 years after juvenile offense - The Firearms Forum

norahc · 04-01-2012, 03:11 PM

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/ne...ts-gun-license

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Wareham, who wouldn’t detail the charges he faced at 15, now finds his juvenile record has been unsealed, coming back to haunt him 28 years later.

Recently, his license to carry a firearm when he is off duty was denied by the state firearms board because of what it read in that previously sealed record.

A change in the Criminal Offender Record Information, or CORI law, that goes into effect in May is opening juvenile crime records — even those that were sealed by the judge — to the firearms licensing board and other agencies.

Old Grump · 04-01-2012, 03:49 PM

I'd like to do a deep background check on those board members and see what kind of dirty laundry they are hiding. Zero common sense.

Jerryboy · 04-01-2012, 03:52 PM

wow, not only is the government ruining people's lives for the stupidest of reasons, but now they're even ruining their lives for things they did as children!

RunningOnMT · 04-01-2012, 04:08 PM

This story points out the glaring unfairness of denying someone their constitutional right to keep and bear arms, based on past circumstances or offenses which have little to do with ones current propensity for violence. Not only that , it unnecessarily puts this police officers life at risk, by denying him the right to self defense when off the job. Police officers in general face a greater risk to life and limb, both on and off the job, than the public at large, due to the potential for acts of retribution from criminals. I hope his department can get this mans rights restored.

gvw3 · 04-01-2012, 04:10 PM

Sounds really stupid but I would like a little more information. What did he do? It may be very bad.

raven818 · 04-01-2012, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by gvw3

Sounds really stupid but I would like a little more information. What did he do? It may be very bad.

I think if it was very bad, he would have served time. Either in a juvie lockup, or in an adult setting. Either way, it would have been found when he applied.

JohnHenry · 04-01-2012, 05:16 PM

How many offenses don't have a "statute of limitations" .... isn't seven years enough ?

musclehead · 04-01-2012, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnHenry

How many offenses don't have a "statute of limitations" .... isn't seven years enough ?

this might have to do with disclosure at the time of application for the back ground check.

I had a MIP conviction while in high school that may have kept me from getting the USPS gig, but I 'fessed up to it and it turned out ot be no problem.

(ok so I haven't always been an angel!)

norahc · 04-01-2012, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnHenry

How many offenses don't have a "statute of limitations" .... isn't seven years enough ?

Statue of limitations only deals with how long after the offense you can be arrested and charged for it.

raven818 · 04-01-2012, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by norahc

Statue of limitations only deals with how long after the offense you can be arrested and charged for it.

In addition, Bench Warrants don't have any limitation on arrest from the day the warrant was issued. If your alive, and checked, you go to jail if the warrant hasn't been " archived ".

norahc · 04-01-2012, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by raven818

In addition, Bench Warrants don't have any limitation on arrest from the day the warrant was issued. If your alive, and checked, you go to jail if the warrant hasn't been " archived ".

Correct. I should have phrased my previous comment as "Statue of limitations only deals with how long after the offense you can be charged for it."

armoredman · 04-01-2012, 07:39 PM

So the news media have deliberately placed a police officer's life, and his families lives in danger by publicly stating he is no longer armed off duty, and any of the criminals he's arrested in the past may now go after him without fear, with their illegal guns. Plus these people are doing this over and over to other people at will, for stupid things done as a juvenile? Amazing, and even more amazing, nobody will do anything about it, will they?

raven818 · 04-01-2012, 07:55 PM

Rereading this: There's a glitch to this somewhere. A police officer, no matter where, is never off duty. I'll go so far as to say, that none of the current/past officers at TFF never had a requirement to permit themselves in order to carry before, and after their shifts.

I've belonged to all 4 types of LE, and none of them had a restriction like that in place. Somethings not being spelled out. Too many questions and not enough answers.

norahc · 04-01-2012, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by armoredman

So the news media have deliberately placed a police officer's life, and his families lives in danger by publicly stating he is no longer armed off duty, and any of the criminals he's arrested in the past may now go after him without fear, with their illegal guns. Plus these people are doing this over and over to other people at will, for stupid things done as a juvenile? Amazing, and even more amazing, nobody will do anything about it, will they?

And if it's serious enough to warrant the removal of his guns off duty, then maybe somebody should rethink him being armed ON duty.

We just don't know enough about what happened to bring this about yet to be making any conclusions. I posted this article to discuss how juvenile records could/would be used to prevent people from carrying/owning guns...not about a police officer losing his off-duty carry ability.

Model195Fan · 04-02-2012, 07:16 AM

I don't know all the details of the case, but in MA, restrictions on conditions of carry are, by law, at the sole discretion of the Chief of Police of the permitholder's town of residence. I don't believe that Framingham is the most gun-friendly town in MA. In addition, even issuance of a permit at all is effectively at the discretion of the Chief, although one can go to court to appeal. So this may be a case of a bonehead Chief in an anti-gun town. This is not an occurrence unheard of in the People's Democratic Republic of Massachusetts.

04-01-2012, 03:49 PM	#2
Old Grump Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Little hut in the woods near Blue River Wisconsin Posts: 2,289	Re: Police officer has gun license revoked 28 years after juvenile offense I'd like to do a deep background check on those board members and see what kind of dirty laundry they are hiding. Zero common sense. __________________ "When once a republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil."~~- Thomas Jefferson Roman Catholic, Life Member of American Legion, VFW, Wisconsin Libertarian party, Wi-FORCE, WGO, NRA, JPFO, GOA, SAFand CCRKBA

04-01-2012, 03:52 PM	#3
Jerryboy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Virginia Posts: 721	Re: Police officer has gun license revoked 28 years after juvenile offense wow, not only is the government ruining people's lives for the stupidest of reasons, but now they're even ruining their lives for things they did as children!

04-01-2012, 04:08 PM	#4
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: Police officer has gun license revoked 28 years after juvenile offense This story points out the glaring unfairness of denying someone their constitutional right to keep and bear arms, based on past circumstances or offenses which have little to do with ones current propensity for violence. Not only that , it unnecessarily puts this police officers life at risk, by denying him the right to self defense when off the job. Police officers in general face a greater risk to life and limb, both on and off the job, than the public at large, due to the potential for acts of retribution from criminals. I hope his department can get this mans rights restored. __________________ "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!"

04-01-2012, 04:10 PM	#5
gvw3 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Chicago IL Area Contributor Posts: 3,292	Re: Police officer has gun license revoked 28 years after juvenile offense Sounds really stupid but I would like a little more information. What did he do? It may be very bad. __________________ Criminals advocate stronger gun laws to foster a safer work environment. This limits their exposure to risk.

04-01-2012, 05:16 PM	#7
JohnHenry Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Livingston county, Michigan Posts: 1,218	Re: Police officer has gun license revoked 28 years after juvenile offense How many offenses don't have a "statute of limitations" .... isn't seven years enough ? __________________ Freedom .... Is Never Free ! We need Term Limits .... Send the "Professional Politicians" home .

04-01-2012, 07:39 PM	#12
armoredman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Proud to be in Arizona Posts: 1,367	Re: Police officer has gun license revoked 28 years after juvenile offense So the news media have deliberately placed a police officer's life, and his families lives in danger by publicly stating he is no longer armed off duty, and any of the criminals he's arrested in the past may now go after him without fear, with their illegal guns. Plus these people are doing this over and over to other people at will, for stupid things done as a juvenile? Amazing, and even more amazing, nobody will do anything about it, will they?

04-01-2012, 07:55 PM	#13
raven818 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Jax, Fl. Contributor Posts: 4,423	Re: Police officer has gun license revoked 28 years after juvenile offense Rereading this: There's a glitch to this somewhere. A police officer, no matter where, is never off duty. I'll go so far as to say, that none of the current/past officers at TFF never had a requirement to permit themselves in order to carry before, and after their shifts. I've belonged to all 4 types of LE, and none of them had a restriction like that in place. Somethings not being spelled out. Too many questions and not enough answers. __________________ Firearms and Salt Water Fishing Retired 42 Years LEO

04-02-2012, 07:16 AM	#15
Model195Fan V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: MA Posts: 64	Re: Police officer has gun license revoked 28 years after juvenile offense I don't know all the details of the case, but in MA, restrictions on conditions of carry are, by law, at the sole discretion of the Chief of Police of the permitholder's town of residence. I don't believe that Framingham is the most gun-friendly town in MA. In addition, even issuance of a permit at all is effectively at the discretion of the Chief, although one can go to court to appeal. So this may be a case of a bonehead Chief in an anti-gun town. This is not an occurrence unheard of in the People's Democratic Republic of Massachusetts.