The 2nd Amend. Ain't As It's Written ....

[JohnHenry]

Just to give you a look at the mind-set of the New Yorker readers who are what % of our population;


http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...urrentPage=all

[hogger129]

By the same reasoning, cars and prescription drugs should be illegal too. I don't worry too much because I know I'm not giving up my guns no matter what they threaten to do to me.

[cutter]

Same old liberal BS. Don't waste your time trying to chage there mids. Try teachig the younger ones the truth!!!

[carver]

"The Second Amendment reads, “A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

Just more lies to make it seem that they know what they are talking about. What's wrong with the quote above?

[armoredman]

Gun ownership falls so sharply that NICS checks have been at an all time high for almost 4 years running. Gee, what a "decline".
I see they put parenthesis around "has a right to be" in relation to SYG, as if we cannot know or decide where we have a right to be? I need a government locator to tell me I have no right to be where I am?

...if you’ve never been to a gun shop before, that part feels not quite licit, like a porn shop.

Wow, we're porn dealers, too! Can I have a box of 40SW 180 grain JHP and "Debbie Does the GunShow"?

When carrying a concealed weapon for self-defense is understood not as a failure of civil society, to be mourned, but as an act of citizenship, to be vaunted, there is little civilian life left.

When you can guarantee my safety without having to be armed, when all the criminals, police and enemy foreign powers disarm down to the last slingshot, then maybe I'll think about it.
It's well written, with enough "research" to mask the bias, but it is heavily biased against private ownership, and supports the twin liberal conclusions that A), the 2A really does only support the National Guard theory, and B) all gun owners are to be held at fault for the actions of a few.
At no time is the idea that all the shootings that are written about could have been stopped if one of the victims were armed.

[Gun Geezer]

This article makes perfect sense as long as it is correct in its assumption that everyone is a "self respecting or law abiding" citizen. If you can't rely on "self respecting" or "law abiding" then it is just a bunch of meaningless words written by a do-gooder, liberal windbag who can't see the forest for the trees. There are fewer violent crimes perpetrated by lawful gun owners than vehicular homicides by licensed drivers. The police today all carry guns and have a hard enough time protecting themselves. Lawful citizens deserve at least the same chance. Of course there will be some abuses. Of course there will be some mistakes. Freedom sometimes comes at a great cost. It's what makes it such a valued commodity! I suggest anti-gunners spend their time more productively trying to teach people to handle and use guns properly or move to some country that has already banned it's citizens from owning guns. See if they feel safer there.

[Iron Eagle]

The latest issue of the nra magazine tells some very disturbing things. Rahm Emanuel is BAD NEWS. He is tied to the current administration. This dude is so antigun it is not funny. To reelect you-know -who again to totally abolish the second amenment.

[carver]

Originally Posted by carver

"The Second Amendment reads, “A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

Just more lies to make it seem that they know what they are talking about. What's wrong with the quote above?

What's wrong with the quote?

[whymememe]

Things might be better if everyone was allowed to open carry. Wear them on your hips just like Matt Dillon. People would have more respect. People would be less likely to assault or try to rob someone if they see he has gun

[Jerryboy]

Originally Posted by whymememe

Things might be better if everyone was allowed to open carry. Wear them on your hips just like Matt Dillon. People would have more respect. People would be less likely to assault or try to rob someone if they see he has gun

open carry has it's place. if you live in an area where everyone carries that's great. but if you live in 80+% of the towns/cities of American where open carry is, thought legal, still heavily frowned upon you open yourself up to alot of problems.

first off, you become the primary target. you could be sitting at IHOP eating bacon and eggs. someone enters the establishment with intent to rob or murder, they spot your openly carried weapon, saunter casually up behind you, and put a hole in your skull before you have a chance to react. why tip your hand? an ace up your sleeve doesn't do you any good if everyone can see it.

secondly, sheeple react badly in the presence of guns when the bearer isn't a uniformed officer of the law. if you open carry in a place where people don't like guns, you are likely to have the cops called on you often, whether or not you are carrying legally or doing anything wrong, and eventually some young hothead rookie will respond who also doesn't like guns in the hands of peasants, which will lead to you in handcuffs for a few minutes if you're lucky, and your gun confiscated and you in jail if you're not.

[hogger129]

Open carry/concealed carry should be by choice. My state allows open carry w/o a permit and concealed w/ a permit - although if the raging union liberals get back into office, they said they're aiming to repeal concealed carry.

[flintlock]

It feels like a clubhouse, except, if you’ve never been to a gun shop before, that part feels not quite licit, like a porn shop.

This line was typical NY liberal. They live in a fantasy where if only there were no guns, everything would be wonderfull, No more crime, the money saved on police and prisons would pay for flowers in the parks, etc..

The 2nd ammendment is clear in it's language and meaning, even inNY.

[twobit]

When someone remarks "Oh I (we) don't believe in guns!"... get close to them, look them square in the eyes... and in a low calm voice say "they do exist".

[Iron Eagle]

Check out gunbanobama.com.

[ryan42]

Originally Posted by carver

What's wrong with the quote?

Tell me your killing me,you typed it correctly I really dont know,please tell me.

[BradleyCole09]

Does it have to do with the fact out right has been infringed with two big laws

[armedandsafe]

Some of the original papers have the Second written as:

"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

However, the copy was sent out to the printers to be passed around to the States for ratification. In those days, printers would freely add punctuation to match the common usage in the area for which they were publishing. The copy which was finally signed was:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Note the extra commas. Those pesky commas have caused much discussion over the years. However, the certified copies of the document have only one comma. There is a good discussion on that here:

http://www.guncite.com/second_amendment_commas.html

This image, from the Library of Congress, also shows the ratified version with one comma.

And this page from the National Archives contains a three comma version.

This Web-page claims:

Every single certified copy of the Second Amendment contained only one comma, after the word "state." The parchment copy (obviously where the three comma version comes from) is not a certified copy, and all twelve of the proposed amendments found therein contain different capitalization and punctuation than those of certified copies.
The certified Second Amendment was used exclusively in every official document I could find until 1876. Also, the Statutes at Large of 1819 and 1845, which are certified as being correct down to the last comma and are the official source of the acts of Congress, show the amendment in this form. (Somewhere along the line, the Statutes must have been changed, and I'm trying to find out exactly when.)

It appears as if those pesky commas are causing some discussion here, also.

Pops

[carver]

Right on Pops! Folks, when you start to add to, or take away from, any statement, like adding in the hyphen-ated words (well-regulated), and punctuation, you start to get different meanings form the words in a sentence.

No price to high dear!

No, price to high dear!

[Crawdaddy]

The thing about the article that strikes me is that the writer makes special note that no gun related accidents have ever occurred at the range. So in his estimation, thousands of guns and probably hundreds of thousands of shots are fired in a building and no one is harmed, but a firearm is brought into a school and kids shot and its the fault of the gun, an inanimate object.
How many gun range shootings, accidental or otherwise, have any of you ever heard of?