'Facebook' 1911 challange, My rant - The Firearms Forum

al45lc · 05-10-2012, 01:35 PM

Rob, Rob, Rob. You sure don't have a knack for making friends there bud.
Rob Pincus of "Trigger Time" has issued a challenge (on Facebook) for folks to spend money and take his class to prove the validity of carrying a 'shorty' 1911.
He states that He thinks the 1911 was a "bad idea" to begin with.
He also stated that he has never seen a shorty 1911 NOT fail.
Honestly, I think He's just another 'self-made' expert vieing for more exposure.
After all, that's what Facebook has become.
Very Gauche, Rob.
BTW, I'm NOT a 1911 fanatic, I have several, but I also have 'Plastic' guns.
I just have the intelligence to know a good design when I see it, whether I use it or not.
What kind of vehicle do you drive Rob? Wanna tell us how wrong we are there too?

Old Grump · 05-10-2012, 01:41 PM

He reminds me a bit of Gabe Suarez. A little bit hazy on deep background but full of much hot air used mostly for tooting the 'How Great I Am Horn'.

hogger129 · 05-10-2012, 02:07 PM

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Honestly, I think He's just another 'self-made' expert vieing for more exposure.
After all, that's what Facebook has become.

Yep, it's the same old song and dance on YouTube too.

Double D · 05-10-2012, 02:17 PM

I would really like to see ANY poly gun out of the box as accurate as a 1911 is out of the box. I own 20 polly pistols and I can assure you that NONE of them will hold a candle to my 1911s. I have a colt defender 3" barrel that has around 3500-4000 rounds thru it and has only been cleaned. It has eaten flat nosed and hollow point and lead nosed and whatever else thru stock magazines and others and I can rip the bullseye out of a target at 30 ft off hand all day long and if you dont believe me ask red14, he watched me do it. So, whatever.

hogger129 · 05-10-2012, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

I would really like to see ANY poly gun out of the box as accurate as a 1911 is out of the box. I own 20 polly pistols and I can assure you that NONE of them will hold a candle to my 1911s. I have a colt defender 3" barrel that has around 3500-4000 rounds thru it and has only been cleaned. It has eaten flat nosed and hollow point and lead nosed and whatever else thru stock magazines and others and I can rip the bullseye out of a target at 30 ft off hand all day long and if you dont believe me ask red14, he watched me do it. So, whatever.

The trouble is, if you try to tell these guys that (like that James Yeager guy), they'll just hide behind their resume or change the question instead of facing the facts. Or they'll do like Yeager did to me and block you from commenting. Meh, they're entitled to their opinions. I'm not going to argue with them. 1911s work for me just fine for me, too.

That co-worker that I shoot with has a Colt 1991 Officer's ACP and it's incredibly accurate. It's bone stock too. Idk, I just think there's too many myths about 1911s going around and they seem to be perpetuated by these so-called "experts."

Juker · 05-10-2012, 05:04 PM

Interesting thread, because I was about to start one. I'll add here instead.

Yesterday in the mail I received a package from the NRA. Inside was a Rob Pincus DVD on "Combat Focus Shooting and Home Defense Tips". The NRA said I was selected to receive this special offer. Do nothing, and they'll send more DVDs at such and such a price. If I don't want it, I can send it back in the enclosed envelope.

I am returning it. I don't like deals like this. I didn't ask for it, didn't want it, don't need it, won't watch it. And if I don't follow the instructions and send it back, I'll get a bill, and more DVDs I didn't order.

I think this is a poor marketing idea. I'm disappointed. Granted, it will take me all of two minutes to repackage this for a return, but it smacks of those phony Yellow Pages bills I get every year, for ads I didn't order. I'm well aware of all the super-duper trooper courses out there that can turn me into a finely honed marksman and a lethal killing machine capable of triple tapping bad guys betwixt the eyes while hanging upside down wearing a clown suit, and if I ever decide I need them, I know where to find them.

Double D · 05-10-2012, 07:01 PM

Oh Juker, I thought you were already one of those hangy upside down double tappy kinda fellows. Aww shucks, now my mental image of you has been destroyed.

ryan42 · 05-10-2012, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Juker

Interesting thread, because I was about to start one. I'll add here instead.

Yesterday in the mail I received a package from the NRA. Inside was a Rob Pincus DVD on "Combat Focus Shooting and Home Defense Tips". The NRA said I was selected to receive this special offer. Do nothing, and they'll send more DVDs at such and such a price. If I don't want it, I can send it back in the enclosed envelope.

I am returning it. I don't like deals like this. I didn't ask for it, didn't want it, don't need it, won't watch it. And if I don't follow the instructions and send it back, I'll get a bill, and more DVDs I didn't order.

I think this is a poor marketing idea. I'm disappointed. Granted, it will take me all of two minutes to repackage this for a return, but it smacks of those phony Yellow Pages bills I get every year, for ads I didn't order. I'm well aware of all the super-duper trooper courses out there that can turn me into a finely honed marksman and a lethal killing machine capable of triple tapping bad guys betwixt the eyes while hanging upside down wearing a clown suit, and if I ever decide I need them, I know where to find them.

I got that same dvd but I must be a lush cause I started watching it,now I have to finish it if its gonna tell me how to shoot upside down.lol Know really the reason I started watching it is because im pretty new to shooting and I want to learn as much as i can.I wish the Outdoor Channel had more shooting and conceal carry shows.Ive learned quite a bit from personal defense,They have Massood Ayoob usaully once an episode.

Cuba · 05-11-2012, 09:28 PM

I for one, given an opportunity to chose in a life and death situation I will always pick the original disign with a proven track record (full size 1911) over an officers model.

jacksonco · 05-11-2012, 11:12 PM

If you did not request the DVD just keep it and don't send them any cash for it. You don't have to pay for it or even send it back if you did not request it. They sent me a DVD last year and I just kept it and did not pay for it. They didn't like it but it is the way it is.

ka64 · 05-12-2012, 11:01 AM

Rob Pincus is a D Bag, another self proclaimed Gun expert who learned all his techniques watching others DVD's. I've known Cops who have retired never to fire one round on duty during their carreers. They are no more of an expert than I am in self defense, in fact I shoot more rounds per month than most do in a year. If I want a lesson I'll talk to a combat Vet who has been fired at. Makes a big difference when the target fires back.

RunningOnMT · 05-12-2012, 11:04 AM

I own a couple Tupperware guns in .45 cal and neither are as accurate as my two entry level 1911's. If the 1911 has a single drawback it is the relatively limited magazine capacity, but then there 1911's with double stack mags that offer about as much capacity as any plastic gun in the same caliber.

The 1911...100 years old and still champ.

al45lc · 05-14-2012, 08:40 AM

"To each his own" I always say, and I don't run around disparaging others choices in self defence, that's their boggle.
My point more than anything is that NO product made by man is flawless, and ANY gun that your going to hinge your life on should be thoroughly tested BEFORE you carry it. Barrel length has little if anything to do with the guns reliability if that gun is properly built, assembled and tested.
To begin with, it's foolish to bet your life on any untested firearm, and in my world that means somewhere around 500 rounds in an Auto before I call it reliable. Minimum.
So are some of these people showing up with guns right out of the box?
And then there's the shooter themselves factored into it, we all know that the 1911 is susceptable to "limp wristing", as is almost any large caliber Auto.
He's very vague in this and that's what irritates me most. I have nothing against the Poly gun aficionado's, except that some of them are a little too elist for my tastes. But then, the 1911 guys can be too.
And I still say that if they REALLY believe that they need 15 rds per mag and 3 mags, they can stand and fight, I'll cover and retreat.
Hell, I'm not looking for a firefight, I'm looking to survive!

gdmoody · 05-14-2012, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jacksonco

If you did not request the DVD just keep it and don't send them any cash for it. You don't have to pay for it or even send it back if you did not request it. They sent me a DVD last year and I just kept it and did not pay for it. They didn't like it but it is the way it is.

That is the way it is, if you received stuff in the mail without asking for it, it is considered a gift!!

UncleFudd · 05-14-2012, 10:46 AM

Who the hell is "Rob Pincus"?

With a name like that, he would go on TV or radio or any other media!!!

I understand why he would carry and why it must be reliable, LOL.

Frankly, before I would begin to espouse knowledge especially to disparage a gun that has been around and proven for so many years under actual combat conditions in more countries around the world under the worst of circumstances and never failed to do the job, I would change my name to

Harry Bad or Richard Tough or .....

Just my thoughts.

I am seldom impressed with the thoughts or words of these newby, wannabe, Gun gurus. Who says they are one damned bit more knowledgeable or experienced than you or I. I'll bet whatever his background, he does not have as many rounds through any handgun as I, so maybe I should apply for my own show.

UF

Double D · 05-14-2012, 11:03 AM

UF, I dont get it either. While I dont like glocks, I have never said they arent reliable or they dont shoot or whatever. I just dont like them. I happen to think a 1911 is superior in looks and design and has proven itself for far more years than the glock. Still doesnt mean the glock wont shoot. Their just butt ugly and not as accurate. But, thats ok. I am thrilled someone doesnt like the 1911s because its already hard enough to find them as it is, my suppliers are out of them all the time. I can buy those poly guns by the truckload all day long.

carver · 05-14-2012, 11:07 AM

Pincus has been around a while, he started out in the Military. His background in military, law enforcement, executive protection and recreational shooting, as well as owning his own companies for teaching combat/SD hand gun.

I think most of these guys start out all right, then they become popular, start hanging out with those folks that have money, and an opinion to go with the money! They soon lose contact with their roots, and start to spout what the popular Rich folks are saying. Tom Grisham on his "Gun Talk Raido" program once stated that the 7.69X32 was not a good deer round. They all wind up in the same place, lost in their beliefe that they are
"The" expert that everyone else has to listen to in order to learn anything.

Shooter45 · 05-14-2012, 11:22 AM

Here's the video. Notice the EXTERNAL extractor on the Kimber. Do they even sell them anymore ? They did have problems and I have heard stories of Kimber exchanging those slides for ones with Internal extractors....as they should have been before. I personally don't like an external extractor on any 1911.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMbQY...eature=related

I don't put much stock in this guy. He's painting with a BROAD brush.

RunningOnMT · 05-14-2012, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by carver

Pincus has been around a while, he started out in the Military. His background in military, law enforcement, executive protection and recreational shooting, as well as owning his own companies for teaching combat/SD hand gun.

I think most of these guys start out all right, then they become popular, start hanging out with those folks that have money, and an opinion to go with the money! They soon lose contact with their roots, and start to spout what the popular Rich folks are saying. Tom Grisham on his "Gun Talk Raido" program once stated that the 7.69X32 was not a good deer round. They all wind up in the same place, lost in their beliefe that they are
"The" expert that everyone else has to listen to in order to learn anything.

Ya gotta wonder if the opinions of some of these "pros" doesn't carry about as much weight as a NASCAR driver's recomendation of a certain brand of motor oil.

ares338 · 05-17-2012, 10:38 AM

Of you don't ask for a product sent to you in the mail you legally don't have to pay for it! I've been through that mess.

05-10-2012, 01:35 PM	#1
al45lc Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: colorful colorado Posts: 1,016	'Facebook' 1911 challange, My rant Rob, Rob, Rob. You sure don't have a knack for making friends there bud. Rob Pincus of "Trigger Time" has issued a challenge (on Facebook) for folks to spend money and take his class to prove the validity of carrying a 'shorty' 1911. He states that He thinks the 1911 was a "bad idea" to begin with. He also stated that he has never seen a shorty 1911 NOT fail. Honestly, I think He's just another 'self-made' expert vieing for more exposure. After all, that's what Facebook has become. Very Gauche, Rob. BTW, I'm NOT a 1911 fanatic, I have several, but I also have 'Plastic' guns. I just have the intelligence to know a good design when I see it, whether I use it or not. What kind of vehicle do you drive Rob? Wanna tell us how wrong we are there too? __________________ You are what you do, when it counts. -->

05-10-2012, 01:41 PM	#2
Old Grump Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Little hut in the woods near Blue River Wisconsin Posts: 2,294	Re: 'Facebook' 1911 challange, My rant He reminds me a bit of Gabe Suarez. A little bit hazy on deep background but full of much hot air used mostly for tooting the 'How Great I Am Horn'. __________________ "When once a republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil."~~- Thomas Jefferson Roman Catholic, Life Member of American Legion, VFW, Wisconsin Libertarian party, Wi-FORCE, WGO, NRA, JPFO, GOA, SAFand CCRKBA

05-10-2012, 02:17 PM	#4
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,089	Re: 'Facebook' 1911 challange, My rant I would really like to see ANY poly gun out of the box as accurate as a 1911 is out of the box. I own 20 polly pistols and I can assure you that NONE of them will hold a candle to my 1911s. I have a colt defender 3" barrel that has around 3500-4000 rounds thru it and has only been cleaned. It has eaten flat nosed and hollow point and lead nosed and whatever else thru stock magazines and others and I can rip the bullseye out of a target at 30 ft off hand all day long and if you dont believe me ask red14, he watched me do it. So, whatever. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

05-10-2012, 05:04 PM	#6
Juker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Land of Lincoln Contributor Posts: 2,872	Re: 'Facebook' 1911 challange, My rant Interesting thread, because I was about to start one. I'll add here instead. Yesterday in the mail I received a package from the NRA. Inside was a Rob Pincus DVD on "Combat Focus Shooting and Home Defense Tips". The NRA said I was selected to receive this special offer. Do nothing, and they'll send more DVDs at such and such a price. If I don't want it, I can send it back in the enclosed envelope. I am returning it. I don't like deals like this. I didn't ask for it, didn't want it, don't need it, won't watch it. And if I don't follow the instructions and send it back, I'll get a bill, and more DVDs I didn't order. I think this is a poor marketing idea. I'm disappointed. Granted, it will take me all of two minutes to repackage this for a return, but it smacks of those phony Yellow Pages bills I get every year, for ads I didn't order. I'm well aware of all the super-duper trooper courses out there that can turn me into a finely honed marksman and a lethal killing machine capable of triple tapping bad guys betwixt the eyes while hanging upside down wearing a clown suit, and if I ever decide I need them, I know where to find them. __________________ SHOOT FIRST. SHOOT SECOND. MOST IMPORTANTLY, BE THE MAN WHO'S SHOOTING LAST.

05-10-2012, 07:01 PM	#7
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,089	Re: 'Facebook' 1911 challange, My rant Oh Juker, I thought you were already one of those hangy upside down double tappy kinda fellows. Aww shucks, now my mental image of you has been destroyed. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

05-11-2012, 09:28 PM	#9
Cuba Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 24	Re: 'Facebook' 1911 challange, My rant I for one, given an opportunity to chose in a life and death situation I will always pick the original disign with a proven track record (full size 1911) over an officers model. Last edited by Cuba; 05-12-2012 at 10:55 AM..

05-11-2012, 11:12 PM	#10
jacksonco Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Jackson County West Virginia Posts: 2,237	Re: 'Facebook' 1911 challange, My rant If you did not request the DVD just keep it and don't send them any cash for it. You don't have to pay for it or even send it back if you did not request it. They sent me a DVD last year and I just kept it and did not pay for it. They didn't like it but it is the way it is.

05-12-2012, 11:01 AM	#11
ka64 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Michigan Contributor Posts: 1,412	Re: 'Facebook' 1911 challange, My rant Rob Pincus is a D Bag, another self proclaimed Gun expert who learned all his techniques watching others DVD's. I've known Cops who have retired never to fire one round on duty during their carreers. They are no more of an expert than I am in self defense, in fact I shoot more rounds per month than most do in a year. If I want a lesson I'll talk to a combat Vet who has been fired at. Makes a big difference when the target fires back. Last edited by ka64; 05-12-2012 at 11:06 AM..

05-12-2012, 11:04 AM	#12
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: 'Facebook' 1911 challange, My rant I own a couple Tupperware guns in .45 cal and neither are as accurate as my two entry level 1911's. If the 1911 has a single drawback it is the relatively limited magazine capacity, but then there 1911's with double stack mags that offer about as much capacity as any plastic gun in the same caliber. The 1911...100 years old and still champ. __________________ "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!"

05-14-2012, 08:40 AM	#13
al45lc Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: colorful colorado Posts: 1,016	Re: 'Facebook' 1911 challange, My rant "To each his own" I always say, and I don't run around disparaging others choices in self defence, that's their boggle. My point more than anything is that NO product made by man is flawless, and ANY gun that your going to hinge your life on should be thoroughly tested BEFORE you carry it. Barrel length has little if anything to do with the guns reliability if that gun is properly built, assembled and tested. To begin with, it's foolish to bet your life on any untested firearm, and in my world that means somewhere around 500 rounds in an Auto before I call it reliable. Minimum. So are some of these people showing up with guns right out of the box? And then there's the shooter themselves factored into it, we all know that the 1911 is susceptable to "limp wristing", as is almost any large caliber Auto. He's very vague in this and that's what irritates me most. I have nothing against the Poly gun aficionado's, except that some of them are a little too elist for my tastes. But then, the 1911 guys can be too. And I still say that if they REALLY believe that they need 15 rds per mag and 3 mags, they can stand and fight, I'll cover and retreat. Hell, I'm not looking for a firefight, I'm looking to survive! __________________ You are what you do, when it counts.

05-14-2012, 10:46 AM	#15
UncleFudd Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phoenix, Az Contributor Posts: 549	Re: 'Facebook' 1911 challange, My rant Who the hell is "Rob Pincus"? With a name like that, he would go on TV or radio or any other media!!! I understand why he would carry and why it must be reliable, LOL. Frankly, before I would begin to espouse knowledge especially to disparage a gun that has been around and proven for so many years under actual combat conditions in more countries around the world under the worst of circumstances and never failed to do the job, I would change my name to Harry Bad or Richard Tough or ..... Just my thoughts. I am seldom impressed with the thoughts or words of these newby, wannabe, Gun gurus. Who says they are one damned bit more knowledgeable or experienced than you or I. I'll bet whatever his background, he does not have as many rounds through any handgun as I, so maybe I should apply for my own show. UF

05-14-2012, 11:03 AM	#16
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,089	Re: 'Facebook' 1911 challange, My rant UF, I dont get it either. While I dont like glocks, I have never said they arent reliable or they dont shoot or whatever. I just dont like them. I happen to think a 1911 is superior in looks and design and has proven itself for far more years than the glock. Still doesnt mean the glock wont shoot. Their just butt ugly and not as accurate. But, thats ok. I am thrilled someone doesnt like the 1911s because its already hard enough to find them as it is, my suppliers are out of them all the time. I can buy those poly guns by the truckload all day long. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

05-14-2012, 11:07 AM	#17
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,295	Re: 'Facebook' 1911 challange, My rant Pincus has been around a while, he started out in the Military. His background in military, law enforcement, executive protection and recreational shooting, as well as owning his own companies for teaching combat/SD hand gun. I think most of these guys start out all right, then they become popular, start hanging out with those folks that have money, and an opinion to go with the money! They soon lose contact with their roots, and start to spout what the popular Rich folks are saying. Tom Grisham on his "Gun Talk Raido" program once stated that the 7.69X32 was not a good deer round. They all wind up in the same place, lost in their beliefe that they are "The" expert that everyone else has to listen to in order to learn anything. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

05-14-2012, 11:22 AM	#18
Shooter45 Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Contributor Posts: 8,755	Re: 'Facebook' 1911 challange, My rant Here's the video. Notice the EXTERNAL extractor on the Kimber. Do they even sell them anymore ? They did have problems and I have heard stories of Kimber exchanging those slides for ones with Internal extractors....as they should have been before. I personally don't like an external extractor on any 1911. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMbQY...eature=related I don't put much stock in this guy. He's painting with a BROAD brush.

05-17-2012, 10:38 AM	#20
ares338 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 11	Re: 'Facebook' 1911 challange, My rant Of you don't ask for a product sent to you in the mail you legally don't have to pay for it! I've been through that mess.