Early English fowler??? - The Firearms Forum

orientexpress11 · 05-20-2012, 10:35 AM

Hello everyone! I am in the process of trying to identifying a flintlock rifle for a friend who inherited it after he father passed away. After looking around online, I think this may be an early styled english fowler. It looks to be in rough shape (I only have modern firearms so everything old looks rough to me

) it has no engravings, front and rear sights, wooden ramrod and a rifled barrel. I believe they want to sell it so if possible I would like to know if it is in decent condition and what the value would be. Below are a few pics to help identify what it is.

Any help would be greatly appreciated! TIA

- John

jjmitchell60 · 05-20-2012, 12:22 PM

Can you post a lot more pictures off it. Close ups of all metal parts and screws would help, the end of the muzzle showing the rifling if possible, diminsions of the rifle like lenght, LOP, length of barrel, and any others. ANY markings at all on either side of the lock, inside or out as well. To be honest, first impressions is an older reproduction but need lots more info to tell for sure if it is or not.

Jim K · 05-20-2012, 02:24 PM

Also describe or picture any proof marks. An English or Belgian gun should have proof marks. I don't think it is a repro but it appears to be a very plain gun and most English fowlers were quite high class since they were made for wealthy people who either owned estates or who would be invited to shoot on an estate. Of course a fowler would not be rifled. The buttstock looks early, but the double neck cock would be later.

Looking forward to more pics and description.

Jim

05-20-2012, 10:35 AM	#1
orientexpress11 Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1	Early English fowler??? Hello everyone! I am in the process of trying to identifying a flintlock rifle for a friend who inherited it after he father passed away. After looking around online, I think this may be an early styled english fowler. It looks to be in rough shape (I only have modern firearms so everything old looks rough to me ) it has no engravings, front and rear sights, wooden ramrod and a rifled barrel. I believe they want to sell it so if possible I would like to know if it is in decent condition and what the value would be. Below are a few pics to help identify what it is. Any help would be greatly appreciated! TIA - John --> Last edited by orientexpress11; 05-20-2012 at 10:36 AM..

05-20-2012, 12:22 PM	#2
jjmitchell60 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Raised in Buzzard Roost near Frog Town in hillls of Kentucky Contributor Posts: 1,471	Re: Early English fowler??? Can you post a lot more pictures off it. Close ups of all metal parts and screws would help, the end of the muzzle showing the rifling if possible, diminsions of the rifle like lenght, LOP, length of barrel, and any others. ANY markings at all on either side of the lock, inside or out as well. To be honest, first impressions is an older reproduction but need lots more info to tell for sure if it is or not. __________________ Oath Keepers NOT ON OUR WATCH www.oathkeepers.org 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes Duty... Thomas Jefferson

05-20-2012, 02:24 PM	#3
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: Early English fowler??? Also describe or picture any proof marks. An English or Belgian gun should have proof marks. I don't think it is a repro but it appears to be a very plain gun and most English fowlers were quite high class since they were made for wealthy people who either owned estates or who would be invited to shoot on an estate. Of course a fowler would not be rifled. The buttstock looks early, but the double neck cock would be later. Looking forward to more pics and description. Jim