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larrydickman · 06-29-2012, 08:24 AM

I had to file a complaint with the BBB to get someone at Kahr besides Ian in CS. I was finally contacted by Tim Pierce who is head of CS. He said that the old head of CS was an engineer and not a people person and did not fit in that job and has since moved on. This explains why in the past year that Kahr has had so many complaints about its CS. Tim was great and after I told him I sold my Kahr, asked if he gave me a good price on a new CW9 would it fix the problem?

I said yes and after a bit or wrangling I received my Kahr for 259. Its a good price for this gun. He said that my situation was absolutely handled incorrectly and he apologized. I was never in it for a grudge and said on all my posts I liked the size and feel of the Kahr. I was also told that the CS person I had encountered had been talked to about future situations like this and how not to handle them.

I was also told that Kahr knows that every day its customers use reloads in their products and that this is only a real potential problem with the poly rifling. I was told that the standard L&G rifling of the CW did not really have a problem as long as the reloads were not over pressured. I agree with this as this is how every gun company views reloads, its a way of saying that if you use reloads and its not loaded correctly and the result is a blown or ruptured gun the company has the right to say they will not cover it. I have no problem with this. I did have a problem with them saying if you shoot reloads your warranty is void. I was informed this is not the case at all. Thanks to Tim Pierce.

I received my Kahr CW today and took it to the range. Not one FTF or FTE. I use 115gr with 5 g or power pistol the low end of the reload grid. Works well. BTW the poly is only a problem with lead bullets, if you use copper case or FMJ not a problem. The review of the gun is that I hate the cheese grater friction on the grips but this is over come by a Houge sleeve. Makes the gun easy to hold. I also was hitting low and to the right which seems to be about what many others are saying. My first CW was almost POA.

I may put some adjustable rear sight on it. But since its for CCW and I have ordered an extra mag for it and holster ITPs, its not really a big deal. I sold my other CW and made 50 dollars on the deal so all in I am 209 for a new CW9.

I hope that Kahr keeps up the course correction as they once had great CS and I hope they will again. As I told Timothy, an Asian chick with a great ass holding a Kahr may make many guys drool over the anatomy of the Asian chick but it does not do much except to the more unintelligent of the gun crowd to sell a gun. A happy customer will go a long long way to sell other people on the product. I have been contacted by at least 20 people who said that they were looking at the Kahr and now would not buy one. How many people have they told and so on.

I am satisfied with Kahr thus far and will put a few more hundred rounds down range before making my final judgment. As far as the Kahr vs the Glock, I like the feel of the Glock 26 and will keep it, but for CCW the Kahr slim outline is better for carry. The Kahr has a long but smooth take up on the trigger with a crisp break. The Glock is short and crisp, and I added a ghost TB and Hi Viz sights and that thing is dead on the money at 30 feet. The Kahr I have to adjust up and to the left, but if I can find an adjustable rear sight for my Kahr it may take care of that.

So all in 259 for the gun, minus 50 I made on the first Kahr so 209 plus 25 shipping and 20 transfer all in at 254, I think that this fixes the problem as long as the gun functions. I will need more range time to check it out. So far so good.

RunningOnMT · 06-29-2012, 10:09 AM

Glad it worked out for you Larry. Sounds like you made out on that deal. I sold my CW45 the other day...suppose they'd give me a deal on a new one?

larrydickman · 06-29-2012, 10:37 AM

I am not familiar with your situation. Did you have a CS problem with Kahr? Or was it just a problem with your CW and you sold it? In my situation I was still giving Kahr the BOTdoubt but when they shot me down or Ian shot me down for shooting reloads and just using it as an excuse to void my warranty was the straw that BTCB. My jury is still out on Kahr. So far so good on a couple of hundred rounds through it. I put the Houge sleeve on it and its much better than the factory grip. If I can get a set of adjustable rear sights for it that would fix the POA. And in the end if it does not stand up to what I want I can always go the rout of selling it. But for now I plan to keep it. But I will be watching it what an eagles eye.

RunningOnMT · 06-29-2012, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by larrydickman

I am not familiar with your situation. Did you have a CS problem with Kahr? Or was it just a problem with your CW and you sold it? In my situation I was still giving Kahr the BOTdoubt but when they shot me down or Ian shot me down for shooting reloads and just using it as an excuse to void my warranty was the straw that BTCB. My jury is still out on Kahr. So far so good on a couple of hundred rounds through it. I put the Houge sleeve on it and its much better than the factory grip. If I can get a set of adjustable rear sights for it that would fix the POA. And in the end if it does not stand up to what I want I can always go the rout of selling it. But for now I plan to keep it. But I will be watching it what an eagles eye.

Naw, no problems. I was just being facetious. The pistol actually functioned perfectly and all things considered was quite accurate. But since buying a Bersa 9 it just didn't fill a niche anymore, and my personal preference is not to own any more polymer frame pistols. So with only 100 rds through it, I sold it to a friend.

06-29-2012, 08:24 AM	#26
larrydickman V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 53	Re: Kahr CS not very good I had to file a complaint with the BBB to get someone at Kahr besides Ian in CS. I was finally contacted by Tim Pierce who is head of CS. He said that the old head of CS was an engineer and not a people person and did not fit in that job and has since moved on. This explains why in the past year that Kahr has had so many complaints about its CS. Tim was great and after I told him I sold my Kahr, asked if he gave me a good price on a new CW9 would it fix the problem? I said yes and after a bit or wrangling I received my Kahr for 259. Its a good price for this gun. He said that my situation was absolutely handled incorrectly and he apologized. I was never in it for a grudge and said on all my posts I liked the size and feel of the Kahr. I was also told that the CS person I had encountered had been talked to about future situations like this and how not to handle them. I was also told that Kahr knows that every day its customers use reloads in their products and that this is only a real potential problem with the poly rifling. I was told that the standard L&G rifling of the CW did not really have a problem as long as the reloads were not over pressured. I agree with this as this is how every gun company views reloads, its a way of saying that if you use reloads and its not loaded correctly and the result is a blown or ruptured gun the company has the right to say they will not cover it. I have no problem with this. I did have a problem with them saying if you shoot reloads your warranty is void. I was informed this is not the case at all. Thanks to Tim Pierce. I received my Kahr CW today and took it to the range. Not one FTF or FTE. I use 115gr with 5 g or power pistol the low end of the reload grid. Works well. BTW the poly is only a problem with lead bullets, if you use copper case or FMJ not a problem. The review of the gun is that I hate the cheese grater friction on the grips but this is over come by a Houge sleeve. Makes the gun easy to hold. I also was hitting low and to the right which seems to be about what many others are saying. My first CW was almost POA. I may put some adjustable rear sight on it. But since its for CCW and I have ordered an extra mag for it and holster ITPs, its not really a big deal. I sold my other CW and made 50 dollars on the deal so all in I am 209 for a new CW9. I hope that Kahr keeps up the course correction as they once had great CS and I hope they will again. As I told Timothy, an Asian chick with a great ass holding a Kahr may make many guys drool over the anatomy of the Asian chick but it does not do much except to the more unintelligent of the gun crowd to sell a gun. A happy customer will go a long long way to sell other people on the product. I have been contacted by at least 20 people who said that they were looking at the Kahr and now would not buy one. How many people have they told and so on. I am satisfied with Kahr thus far and will put a few more hundred rounds down range before making my final judgment. As far as the Kahr vs the Glock, I like the feel of the Glock 26 and will keep it, but for CCW the Kahr slim outline is better for carry. The Kahr has a long but smooth take up on the trigger with a crisp break. The Glock is short and crisp, and I added a ghost TB and Hi Viz sights and that thing is dead on the money at 30 feet. The Kahr I have to adjust up and to the left, but if I can find an adjustable rear sight for my Kahr it may take care of that. So all in 259 for the gun, minus 50 I made on the first Kahr so 209 plus 25 shipping and 20 transfer all in at 254, I think that this fixes the problem as long as the gun functions. I will need more range time to check it out. So far so good.

06-29-2012, 10:09 AM	#27
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: Kahr CS not very good Glad it worked out for you Larry. Sounds like you made out on that deal. I sold my CW45 the other day...suppose they'd give me a deal on a new one? __________________ "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!"

06-29-2012, 10:37 AM	#28
larrydickman V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 53	Re: Kahr CS not very good I am not familiar with your situation. Did you have a CS problem with Kahr? Or was it just a problem with your CW and you sold it? In my situation I was still giving Kahr the BOTdoubt but when they shot me down or Ian shot me down for shooting reloads and just using it as an excuse to void my warranty was the straw that BTCB. My jury is still out on Kahr. So far so good on a couple of hundred rounds through it. I put the Houge sleeve on it and its much better than the factory grip. If I can get a set of adjustable rear sights for it that would fix the POA. And in the end if it does not stand up to what I want I can always go the rout of selling it. But for now I plan to keep it. But I will be watching it what an eagles eye.