Model 94 Worth? - The Firearms Forum

banjodave · 06-01-2012, 09:57 AM

Greetings-

I have a very early Winchester saddle ring carbine 30-30. It still shoots. The bore is clean. I'm also wondering is there a careful way to remove some light rust here and there from it without devaluing it?

Hammerslagger · 06-01-2012, 12:44 PM

Stainless steel scouring pads (preferably non-magnetic ones) often found in "Dollar Stores" are softer than ferric oxide (which is also called black rust and gun or steel bluing) but is significantly harder than ferrous oxide, which is called red or brown rust. Thus they can be usually be used with a good penetrating oil, like Kroil, PB Blaster, WD-40, etc., to gently cut the red rust off at the surface of blued steel. Be careful not to go crazy rubbing.

Your rifle was made in 1895 and is missing most of its ferric oxide coating. You do not want th scratch or polish the bare steel. I would try just a cloth and penetrating oil, first. If you elect to use the above mentioned method, be careful and pay attention to what you are doing.

Hawg · 06-01-2012, 12:55 PM

Kroil and a teflon pad.

oneshot onekill · 06-04-2012, 05:48 PM

That's a BEAUTY! I would leave it just the way it is! Just put a light coat of oil on it so it doesn't get any worse. If only that baby could talk!

Bert H. · 06-04-2012, 07:54 PM

Hello banjodave,

Never use a steel or stainless steel pad on an old Winchester! If you need to remove active rust (and I did not see any in the pictures you posted), use Kroil and fine mesh copper wool pads. Apply a generous coat of Kroil, let it sit overnight, then wet the copper wool with fresh Kroil, and gently scrub the rust spots until they are clean of the rust. Always remove the stocks first if you intend to do anything more than just a spot touch-up.

Bert H.

Edit: Forgot to add... that is a very nice old Model 1894 SRC, completely original (unmessed with) and it is a bona fide "Antique' to boot. It was serialized on January 14th, 1898.

banjodave · 06-06-2012, 12:08 PM

I'm still wondering what its value is. Anybody?

Bert H. · 06-06-2012, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by banjodave

I'm still wondering what its value is. Anybody?

Dave,

Please post a close-up picture of the front sight, and the barrel mounted rear sight. Also, a close-up of the butt stock & butt plate.

Bert H.

banjodave · 06-07-2012, 09:26 AM

I don't have access to it where I am. Next time I'm near it I'll shoot some more shots of it and post. Thanks.

banjodave · 06-29-2012, 09:57 AM

Okay, here are more shots I took as requested in an effort to find the estimated value of this gun. The bore is nice and clean too, by the way.

banjodave · 06-29-2012, 10:06 AM

Also, here's a shot of the rear barrel sight.

Twicepop · 06-29-2012, 10:13 AM

Don't try to remove the rust, it is now part of the persona of the old gun. Use WD-40 or Kroil on a paper towel, rub lightly to neutralize what is already there and allow it to become part of the patina of an old gun. This fine rust hurts nothing and will add to the future collectors value of the piece. The wood can be lightly rubbed with a solution of linseed oil and mineral spirits to slightly restore the appearance of it also, just a mild wiping and not a soaking.

those who beat their guns into plowshares, will plow for those who didn't

06-01-2012, 09:57 AM	#1
banjodave Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 10	Model 94 Worth? Greetings- I have a very early Winchester saddle ring carbine 30-30. It still shoots. The bore is clean. I'm also wondering is there a careful way to remove some light rust here and there from it without devaluing it? Attached Images -->

06-01-2012, 12:44 PM	#2
Hammerslagger Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,099	Re: Model 94 Worth? Stainless steel scouring pads (preferably non-magnetic ones) often found in "Dollar Stores" are softer than ferric oxide (which is also called black rust and gun or steel bluing) but is significantly harder than ferrous oxide, which is called red or brown rust. Thus they can be usually be used with a good penetrating oil, like Kroil, PB Blaster, WD-40, etc., to gently cut the red rust off at the surface of blued steel. Be careful not to go crazy rubbing. Your rifle was made in 1895 and is missing most of its ferric oxide coating. You do not want th scratch or polish the bare steel. I would try just a cloth and penetrating oil, first. If you elect to use the above mentioned method, be careful and pay attention to what you are doing. Last edited by Hammerslagger; 06-01-2012 at 09:30 PM.. Reason: correct spelling

06-01-2012, 12:55 PM	#3
Hawg Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,557	Re: Model 94 Worth? Kroil and a teflon pad.

06-04-2012, 05:48 PM	#4
oneshot onekill V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: DeBary, Florida Posts: 189	Re: Model 94 Worth? That's a BEAUTY! I would leave it just the way it is! Just put a light coat of oil on it so it doesn't get any worse. If only that baby could talk!

06-04-2012, 07:54 PM	#5
Bert H. V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Washington State (Puget Sound Region) Posts: 409	Re: Model 94 Worth? Hello banjodave, *Never* use a steel or stainless steel pad on an old Winchester! If you need to remove active rust (and I did not see any in the pictures you posted), use Kroil and fine mesh copper wool pads. Apply a generous coat of Kroil, let it sit overnight, then wet the copper wool with fresh Kroil, and gently scrub the rust spots until they are clean of the rust. Always remove the stocks first if you intend to do anything more than just a spot touch-up. Bert H. Edit: Forgot to add... that is a very nice old Model 1894 SRC, completely original (unmessed with) and it is a bona fide "Antique' to boot. It was serialized on January 14th, 1898. __________________ Real Men own and shoot a Winchester SINGLE-SHOT! Last edited by Bert H.; 06-04-2012 at 07:59 PM..

06-06-2012, 12:08 PM	#6
banjodave Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 10	Re: Model 94 Worth? I'm still wondering what its value is. Anybody?

06-07-2012, 09:26 AM	#8
banjodave Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 10	Re: Model 94 Worth? I don't have access to it where I am. Next time I'm near it I'll shoot some more shots of it and post. Thanks.

06-29-2012, 09:57 AM	#9
banjodave Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 10	Re: Model 94 Worth? Okay, here are more shots I took as requested in an effort to find the estimated value of this gun. The bore is nice and clean too, by the way. Attached Images

06-29-2012, 10:06 AM	#10
banjodave Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 10	Re: Model 94 Worth? Also, here's a shot of the rear barrel sight. Attached Images

06-29-2012, 10:13 AM	#11
Twicepop Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: NW Ohio Posts: 581	Re: Model 94 Worth? Don't try to remove the rust, it is now part of the persona of the old gun. Use WD-40 or Kroil on a paper towel, rub lightly to neutralize what is already there and allow it to become part of the patina of an old gun. This fine rust hurts nothing and will add to the future collectors value of the piece. The wood can be lightly rubbed with a solution of linseed oil and mineral spirits to slightly restore the appearance of it also, just a mild wiping and not a soaking. those who beat their guns into plowshares, will plow for those who didn't