H & R Arms 22 Revolver 7 Shot info

[b.goforth]

mara,
heres some information to go with the picture jim posted.

VICTOR DOUBLE ACTION
(BRAND NAME VERSION OF AMERICAN DOUBLE ACTION AND YOUNG AMERICA DOUBLE ACTION SERIES)--------1913-1936
Marked “VICTOR DOUBLE ACTION” and have a round barrel and unfluted cylinder, pull pin cylinder release, may have company name and Address marked on frame or bottom of the butt (not listed in any H&R catalogs)
LARGE SOLID FRAME .32 S&W Long 6 shot &.38 S&W 5 shot, 2½ inch or 4½ inch barrel lengths
MEDIUM SOLID FRAME DOUBLE ACTION .32 S&W 5 shot, 2 or 4 inch barrel lengths
SMALL SOLID FRAME DOUBLE ACTION.22RIMFIRE 7 shot 2 or 4 inch barrel lengths
VALUE: 100%=$195 60%=$50

in the early 1880's H&R also made a single action revolver marked Victor

[Jim Hauff]

Picture of 1870's Victor:

[Cyre]

Here is mine...was my Dad's. It says "VICTOR 22 CAL. RF" and the serial number is 102341. I'm heading out to my wood shop tomorrow to make some grips out of some kind of cool exotic wood...don't know what kind yet. Anyone have any info? It needs some kind of work as it shaves lead off the bullet between the cylinder and barrel as it's fired.

[Jim Hauff]

Cyre,
Welcome to the forum.
You have the small frame "VICTOR" - variation of the small frame "AMERICAN DOUBLE ACTION." The VICTOR line included small (7 shot .22 short), medium (5 shot .32) and large (5 shot .38 or 6 shot .32) solid frame, pull-pin cylinder release, DA/SA revolvers based upon standard H&R models. The VICTOR line were designed to be a lower cost offering with round barrel and unfluted cylinder and less surface polishing than the standards and was sold through hardware stores and catalogue sales.
The VICTORs seem to have been serial numbered in one range, including all frames sizes, exclusive to that "brand name" and were offered from circa 1912-13 up to !930 or so? Records for their production are not available and the VICTORS were generally not catalogued so, production era has to be estimated based upon changes made to the base standard models. With a serial number in the 100k range - your piece was probably made in the 1919 - 1921 era (remember this is a guess) and is suitable to shoot any factory smokeless powder loads in the .22 SHORT cartridge.

Your gun has been re-blued at some point in it's past. Standard finishes were a deep blue-black and Nickel plated.
Good luck and enjoy - timing problems are quite common with the older H&R solid frame revolvers.

[72Gunner]

I know this thread is a little old but hope someone can help me out on this one...

I have a H&R "22 Special" top break pistol, 7 shot cylinder (22 RIM FIRE on right side of frame) that was given to me to be fixed.

Cylinder is missing the ejector portion and I'm not really sure where to start to look for one. SN range is 5088xx...

Any info about the gun and or where to find a cylinder or extractor assembly is greatly appreciated!

I can post pics as well if it helps

[Jim Hauff]

72Gunner,
Your 7 SHOT 22 SPECIAL is a 1st Variation made before 1930. I just checked NUMRICH/GPC and although they have some parts - the cylinder assemblies and ejector parts are listed as sold out. You might try calling them to see if they have one in stock and unlisted - they get single guns and parts all the time.
A couple other sources: www.jackfirstgun.com www.hoosiergunworks.com www.wisnersinc.com www.schludershots.com/

Be advised that any parts you may find will, more than likely, require some hand fitting - as was originally done gun by gun at the factory. Good luck. You might also find parts on one of the major on-line gun auction sites - but unlikely for this model.

[72Gunner]

Thanks for the quick reply. I'll give Numrich a try...

[Jim Hauff]

72,
You're welcome. Let us know how you make out - it may help someone else in the future!

[Wes28]

Hi All,
just found myself a little H&R Victor in my grams basement SN 101406. Its pretty rough, missing the trigger, trigger pin and spring. The Center pin is broke. I started to tear it down to see what else I needed before I place an order for parts but I cant get the center pin out because I down know how its supposed to.
Any info will be a great help, including how old (from what I read above around 1919?)
Thanks!



sorry for the blurry pics but I was trying to show where the center pin was broken.

[Jim Hauff]

Wes28,
Welcome to the forum. How dare you bring such a nasty question in to play with your first posting, what nerve!
Now that I've gotten that out of the way, I'm thinking (just an educated guess at this time) that your s/n may indicate a bit later than 1919, possibly early to mid 1920s - BUT - we just don't have enough info, and I've not done proper research on this model. I've not seen serial numbers on any of them above 200,000, so production was somewhat limited. Bill G. formed the idea that these Victors were in production from 1913 until 1936 - based PRIMARILY on his knowledge of the IJ US stamped guns - and assuming that H&R would have followed suit - as they were prime competitors. If true, with proper research and a good idea of highest serial numbers, we could of course extrapolate a better dating system.

AS TO YOUR BROKEN cylinder pin. While not common - there are quite a few examples out there. Chances are the pin is rusted fast inside the cylinder bushing. You'll need to break the rust before you can withdraw the pin. Soak it in KROIL or some other penetrating oil/rust neutralizer before attempting to take it out. The method I've heard several times is to drive the broken pin out from the breach end with a punch and hammer. I've heard this may bugger up the hammer slot in the frame, I've never attempted it, personally. Perhaps one of the other experienced gunsmiths on board can provide a better method. Good luck.

[Wes28]

Got it out, thanks! just wanted to make sure it wasn't threaded in. Now I just need a good schematic to see what all I'm missing...

[Jim Hauff]

Wes,
Glad you got it out. Can you share what you did?
This VICTOR is a derivative of the YOUNG AMERICA DOUBLE ACTION revolver. Go here to see a parts diagram and list of parts for the YADA model.
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/...spx?catid=7978

[Wes28]

Are Victor parts interchangeable with any other models?
thanks

[Wes28]

I soaked it with PB blaster and tapped it out with a punch from the hammer side since I had the hammer out already.

[Jim Hauff]

Wes,
Thanks for the info on removing the broken pin.
There are three different frame sizes in the VICTOR line. Yours appears to be the smallest frame - as I posted before - the YOUNG AMERICA DA revolver was the basis for YOUR gun (no other model). The only real differences between the YADA and the small frame VICTOR is the Victor has a round barrel (vs. octagonal) and an unfluted cylinder (vs fluted). All other parts should/are the same - although a bit of hand fitting may be necessary.
Check at: http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/...spx?catid=7978
for a parts diagram and list for the YADA.

[rgiampaoli]

I received a model 923 sn m72260 from my father in law. The cylinder is a 9 shot cylinder and not the original. Can someone help with ideas where to find an original cylinder? I tried *********.com, gunpartscorp.com, and gun-parts.com (bobs).

Also, it looks like from other posts the value is about $150 at 100%-is that right?
Ray

[bonetyred]

My son in law inherited a small barrel, nickel plated, 7 shot 22 marked H & R Arms Co. Worchester Mass. on top and serial inside 309870
He is big on guns,loves them like crazy and wants to restore it. Any ideas on age and where I can get him the disassembly and reassembly instructions. He's disabled and being able to restore it will make his year. Thanks

[Jim Hauff]

rglampaoli,
You're just gonna have to keep searching - for that cyliner - I'm assuming you're looking for a chrome or nickel plated cylinder but have a blued one????
With a mismatched cylinder your gun is not 100% - it is considered a "shooter" so some where around $100 is reasonable RETAIL value - it it works and shoots well.

[Jim Hauff]

bonetyred,
I love a mystery. Let's work through what you have there: it's a 7 shot .22 with company name and address on top of barrel - that leads me to believe it is a small hinged frame revolver with autoejecting feature. This would make it a PREMIER model.
If so, the serial number puts it into the late 1920's - early 1930's era - BUT - H&R made some major changes to frame and mechanicals during that time, so a little better ID will need to be done to ensure getting the correct parts.
Check the attached pic - does it it look like the ones pictured?

[bonetyred]

looks similar to the picture of bottom one marked 3" barrel, but not quite It's still different. I am going to get a picture of it and upload it.

[Jim Hauff]

bonetyred,
Good!

[birddogo1e]

Just picked up an H&R VICTOR 22 CAL RF as stamped in two lines on the backstrap (Pic #1&3). The serial # 606XX is stamped on the bottom of the grip frame under the left grip and again on the outside bottom of the grip frame (Pic #2). There are no other markings or stamps anywhere. It is nickle plated with blued trigger guard, trigger, and hammer. The round barrel measures 1 15/16" from the front of the 7-chambered cylinder. There are three small blemish areas in the nickle plating one just behind the hammer (1/8 X 3/16"), one 1/4 X 1/8 on the right side between the cylinder rod and the front trigger guard pin, and one 3/16 X 1/8 just left of center in front of cylinder rod on barrel. There is no flaking anywhere and would estimate 95%+ of V G plating overall. SA and DA both work well and cylinder lockup is very good. Rifling is sharp and chambers look VG. It is definately a shooter and maybe more. Could this be one of the "no name" pistols? Also, based on the SN would estimate it was made in 1916-1917 per rational used in other posts. Someone bobbed the hammer (Safety hammer style) and the grips are chipped. Per Numrich these parts are in stock and will be in the mail as soon as payment is received. Gotta order other parts for H&R and IJs I'm rejuvenating (spelling?) and just checking list for completeness. Are my ID and "made" estimates correct? Thanks for any comments.

Geezer in Dayton

[howmar]

I too have a question , I have a New England Firearms 5 shot .38 S&W hammerless, breaktop revolver, S/N 46041 ? from under the grips. can any one tell me it"s age? no markings on side of barrel, or pat dates