U.N. Gun Threat: ATT ‘Will Have A Real Impact’ - The Firearms Forum

RunningOnMT · 07-15-2012, 10:52 PM

This is from email directly to me so I can't post the link. I'd like to take a torch and cut off the knot on the end of this barrel and turn the piece into a snubbie. Barring that, I think Americans should start protesting this abomination being displayed here.
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This statue represents a particular political position which is in opposition to the constitution of the United States. Let them move it to France or some other socialist country, or let it be blown up.

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July 14, 2012
U.N. Gun Threat: ATT ‘Will Have A Real Impact’
Filed under: General,Gun Rights,Second Amendment — Tags: 2nd Amendment, Arms Trade Treaty, ATT, confiscation, treaty, U.N. — Woody Like this article? CLICK HERE to get stories like this and others every other week in your e-mail inbox.

At the United Nations in New York City this week, the world’s nations began finalizing language for a legally binding global treaty that some believe will strip U.S. gun owners of their 2nd Amendment rights.

Meeting through July 27, 193 members of the U.N., along with non-governmental organizations, the NRA, public-interest groups, and firearms and other arms-industry representatives, are convening at the Conference on the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT).

Purported to prevent the transfer of weapons to armed groups and terrorists, ATT has been in the works since 2006. Supporters of the treaty say it will close loopholes that allow arms dealers to evade the strict laws that already exist in countries like the U.S. and transfer guns through weaker states.

Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon opened the conference by saying, “Our common goal is clear: a robust and legally binding Arms Trade Treaty that will have a real impact on the lives of those millions of people suffering from the consequences of armed conflict, repression and armed violence. It is ambitious, but it is achievable.”

After the conference opened, representatives from the U.K., France, Germany and Sweden issued a statement that the treaty “should cover all types of conventional weapons, notably including small arms and light weapons, all types of munitions, and related technologies.”

Language like that troubles Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, who said, “Ultimately, the U.N. Small Arms Treaty is designed to register, ban and confiscate firearms owned by private citizens,” Paul said. “So far, the gun-grabbers have successfully kept the exact wording of their new scheme under wraps. But looking at previous versions of the U.N. Small Arms Treaty, you and I can get a good idea of what’s likely in the works.”

The State Department has issued a series of key U.S. “redlines,” or statements, that the ATT must supposedly address:

•The Second Amendment to the Constitution must be upheld.
•There will be no restrictions on civilian possession or trade of firearms otherwise permitted by law or protected by the U.S. Constitution.
•There will be no dilution or diminishing of sovereign control over issues involving the private acquisition, ownership, or possession of firearms, which must remain matters of domestic law.
•The U.S. will oppose provisions inconsistent with existing U.S. law or that would unduly interfere with our ability to import, export, or transfer arms in support of our national security and foreign policy interests.
•The international arms trade is a legitimate commercial activity, and otherwise lawful commercial trade in arms must not be unduly hindered.
•There will be no requirement for reporting on or marking and tracing of ammunition or explosives.
•There will be no lowering of current international standards.
•Existing nonproliferation and export control regimes must not be undermined.
•The ATT negotiations must have consensus decision making to allow us to protect U.S. equities.
•There will be no mandate for an international body to enforce an ATT.
Despite the State Department’s so-called redlines, opponents of the treaty—the terms of which have not yet been made public—believe the ATT will eventually:

•Enact tougher licensing requirements, making law-abiding Americans cut through even more bureaucratic red tape just to own a firearm legally
•Confiscate and destroy all “unauthorized” civilian firearms
•Ban the trade, sale, and private ownership of all semi-automatic weapons
•Create an international gun registry, setting the stage for full-scale gun confiscation
Former U.N. ambassador John Bolton has cautioned gun owners to take this initiative seriously, stating that the U.N. “is trying to act as though this is really just a treaty about international arms trade between nation states, but there is no doubt that the real agenda here is domestic firearms control.”

Because a draft of the treaty hasn’t been and won’t likely be released before the end of the conference, gun advocates are worried that the worst elements of ATT would be concealed so that citizen lobbying against it couldn’t be organized in time to defeat it.

Political analyst Dick Morris has said he believes President Obama will sign the ATT on July 27, setting the stage for U.S. Senate advise and consent hearings during the lame-duck session after this year’s elections. He predicts that during that session, President Obama could enlist two-thirds of the Senate required to approve a treaty and get a resolution of ratification.

If that prediction comes true, then the enforcement arms for ATT in the U.S. would be the Justice Dept. and ATF.

jack404 · 07-15-2012, 11:00 PM

actually i'd put a sign in front of it saying

this is the left idea of self defence , NONE!!!

and when the left wish to take over a gun will be your only way to say no

see why they want all guns gone like stalin hitler and those other greats of gun control

jack404 · 07-15-2012, 11:01 PM

a man with a gun bows to no other

except those he reveres

RunningOnMT · 07-15-2012, 11:39 PM

How much clearer does it need to be? This IS the New World Order, right on schedule. Most TFF members see it I think, I only wish the uninformed masses could.

The intentional collapse of our economy and infrastructure, the refusal to enforce our sovereignty and protect our borders from foreign invasion, with the aim of blurring the bounderies and facilitating the consolidation of nations, and disarming the people thus depriving them the means to resist. These aren't unrelated.

jack404 · 07-16-2012, 12:07 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Uru-NXj31uI

Rhuga · 07-16-2012, 10:58 AM

This kind of stuff scares the hell out of me.

hogger129 · 07-16-2012, 11:30 AM

I think now is right about the time I'd be telling people I don't own any guns, keep em hidden away in hiding.

skullfr · 07-16-2012, 03:07 PM

seems all the old conspiracy theories are coming to fruitation.This also explains the buidup of FEMA camps and the plastic coffins.I woulda hoped I didnt live that long but it is slowly treading forward.I suggest to purchase weapons that dont leave a paper trail.Cant take what they dont know about.Looks like my prepping will pay off sad to say.I would hate to pull the trigger on an american,but it may come to that.I only pray that God watches over us all and LEOS and military forces do some real soul searching.Great vid Jack,nutnfancy does great videos.

Zane71464 · 07-16-2012, 03:37 PM

In my opinion, with this happeneing and going to happen, bad thing are to follow.
We had a Civil War in the past and people had better wake to the heck up.

RYANINMICHIGAN · 07-17-2012, 09:43 AM

Why do I feel like the majority of the population is too lazy for a civil war? They like there cable TV and internet to much..

carver · 07-17-2012, 09:48 AM

Yep, just feed, and clothe the masses, and promise to protect them. You can lead them anywhere. There are some that won't be led anywhere, at anytime, for any reason!

jwrauch · 07-17-2012, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

How much clearer does it need to be? This IS the New World Order, right on schedule. Most TFF members see it I think, I only wish the uninformed masses could.

The intentional collapse of our economy and infrastructure, the refusal to enforce our sovereignty and protect our borders from foreign invasion, with the aim of blurring the bounderies and facilitating the consolidation of nations, and disarming the people thus depriving them the means to resist. These aren't unrelated.

The uninformed masses don't want to see the truth. JR

hogger129 · 07-19-2012, 02:52 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO0k9SHljCc

Jack you probably know who this Australian Rebecca lady is...

whirley · 07-19-2012, 05:52 PM

Whaat guns, I don't have no steenking guns.

hogger129 · 07-19-2012, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whirley

Whaat guns, I don't have no steenking guns.

Me neither. Sold mine, don't know what happened to the receipts.

skullfr · 07-20-2012, 11:05 AM

latest report put Iran at the lead of this mess

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/07...s-say-critics/

jack404 · 07-20-2012, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hogger129

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO0k9SHljCc

Jack you probably know who this Australian Rebecca lady is...

yea, she's now in the US working for the government ( maybe NGO its 2 am sorry ) there has been since last september

Boston based , i'll find what i posted about it

Old Grump · 07-20-2012, 11:44 AM

Just spent $671 on a gun and a little ammo and another $55 on flash lights today. I just ordered a case of 41 magnum ammo and balls for my 1851 Navy revolver. I see lots of smoke that the UN is blowing but no flames and I will continue to act as if I were a free man in a free country. If that changes it could be exciting trying to take me and my neighbors in for having to many guns or to many bullets. Especially when I feel I just barely have a good start.

The White House Resident and his Twit can blow all the smoke they want. fact is they only have 108 more days until they become a sordid footnote in history as a glaring example of what the leader and representative of the USA should not be.

01brian · 07-20-2012, 12:48 PM

Old Grump,
I really like the way you put that. I agree 100%

skullfr · 07-20-2012, 12:49 PM

well I for one refuse to live in fear.I will continue to live a normal life but it doesnt mean I am not prepared.I store food,water and other supplies if nothing else for hurricane season.Natural disasters are a large part of the earths history.If you live in fear they won.

Marlin T · 07-20-2012, 03:08 PM

This is the link for that article in Post 1
http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=23740
July 14, 2012

U.N. Gun Threat: ATT ‘Will Have A Real Impact’

time2shoot · 07-20-2012, 04:06 PM

Hey Running if he signs this bill.....http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=110365 You cant protest. it would be a felany.

graehaven · 07-20-2012, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Grump

The White House Resident and his Twit can blow all the smoke they want. fact is they only have 108 more days until they become a sordid footnote in history as a glaring example of what the leader and representative of the USA should not be.

I wouldn't count on the president not winning a second term. We're this close to the election and they're running neck and neck? http://www.examiner.com/article/obam...44-gallup-poll

I believe he'll get in again.

And if he doesn't, something so heinous will happen that he'll stay in under the execution of martial law.

And if he doesn't win again, and Romney gets in, well, we'll then have the most gun-hating republican president ever. He'll sign that treaty too.

marlin795 · 07-26-2012, 03:52 PM

They can have my guns that they know for a fact I own.

"What guns I don't own any guns and how do you know I own guns?"
(Me to anyone coming to take them. )

(Thank God for grandfathered firearms. )

07-15-2012, 10:52 PM	#1
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	U.N. Gun Threat: ATT ‘Will Have A Real Impact’ This is from email directly to me so I can't post the link. I'd like to take a torch and cut off the knot on the end of this barrel and turn the piece into a snubbie. Barring that, I think Americans should start protesting this abomination being displayed here. This statue represents a particular political position which is in opposition to the constitution of the United States. Let them move it to France or some other socialist country, or let it be blown up. July 14, 2012 U.N. Gun Threat: ATT ‘Will Have A Real Impact’ Filed under: General,Gun Rights,Second Amendment — Tags: 2nd Amendment, Arms Trade Treaty, ATT, confiscation, treaty, U.N. — Woody Like this article? CLICK HERE to get stories like this and others every other week in your e-mail inbox. At the United Nations in New York City this week, the world’s nations began finalizing language for a legally binding global treaty that some believe will strip U.S. gun owners of their 2nd Amendment rights. Meeting through July 27, 193 members of the U.N., along with non-governmental organizations, the NRA, public-interest groups, and firearms and other arms-industry representatives, are convening at the Conference on the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT). Purported to prevent the transfer of weapons to armed groups and terrorists, ATT has been in the works since 2006. Supporters of the treaty say it will close loopholes that allow arms dealers to evade the strict laws that already exist in countries like the U.S. and transfer guns through weaker states. Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon opened the conference by saying, “Our common goal is clear: a robust and legally binding Arms Trade Treaty that will have a real impact on the lives of those millions of people suffering from the consequences of armed conflict, repression and armed violence. It is ambitious, but it is achievable.” After the conference opened, representatives from the U.K., France, Germany and Sweden issued a statement that the treaty “should cover all types of conventional weapons, notably including small arms and light weapons, all types of munitions, and related technologies.” Language like that troubles Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, who said, “Ultimately, the U.N. Small Arms Treaty is designed to register, ban and confiscate firearms owned by private citizens,” Paul said. “So far, the gun-grabbers have successfully kept the exact wording of their new scheme under wraps. But looking at previous versions of the U.N. Small Arms Treaty, you and I can get a good idea of what’s likely in the works.” The State Department has issued a series of key U.S. “redlines,” or statements, that the ATT must supposedly address: •The Second Amendment to the Constitution must be upheld. •There will be no restrictions on civilian possession or trade of firearms otherwise permitted by law or protected by the U.S. Constitution. •There will be no dilution or diminishing of sovereign control over issues involving the private acquisition, ownership, or possession of firearms, which must remain matters of domestic law. •The U.S. will oppose provisions inconsistent with existing U.S. law or that would unduly interfere with our ability to import, export, or transfer arms in support of our national security and foreign policy interests. •The international arms trade is a legitimate commercial activity, and otherwise lawful commercial trade in arms must not be unduly hindered. •There will be no requirement for reporting on or marking and tracing of ammunition or explosives. •There will be no lowering of current international standards. •Existing nonproliferation and export control regimes must not be undermined. •The ATT negotiations must have consensus decision making to allow us to protect U.S. equities. •There will be no mandate for an international body to enforce an ATT. Despite the State Department’s so-called redlines, opponents of the treaty—the terms of which have not yet been made public—believe the ATT will eventually: •Enact tougher licensing requirements, making law-abiding Americans cut through even more bureaucratic red tape just to own a firearm legally •Confiscate and destroy all “unauthorized” civilian firearms •Ban the trade, sale, and private ownership of all semi-automatic weapons •Create an international gun registry, setting the stage for full-scale gun confiscation Former U.N. ambassador John Bolton has cautioned gun owners to take this initiative seriously, stating that the U.N. “is trying to act as though this is really just a treaty about international arms trade between nation states, but there is no doubt that the real agenda here is domestic firearms control.” Because a draft of the treaty hasn’t been and won’t likely be released before the end of the conference, gun advocates are worried that the worst elements of ATT would be concealed so that citizen lobbying against it couldn’t be organized in time to defeat it. Political analyst Dick Morris has said he believes President Obama will sign the ATT on July 27, setting the stage for U.S. Senate advise and consent hearings during the lame-duck session after this year’s elections. He predicts that during that session, President Obama could enlist two-thirds of the Senate required to approve a treaty and get a resolution of ratification. If that prediction comes true, then the enforcement arms for ATT in the U.S. would be the Justice Dept. and ATF. __________________ "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!" -->

07-15-2012, 11:00 PM	#2
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: U.N. Gun Threat: ATT ‘Will Have A Real Impact’ actually i'd put a sign in front of it saying this is the left idea of self defence , NONE!!! and when the left wish to take over a gun will be your only way to say no see why they want all guns gone like stalin hitler and those other greats of gun control

07-15-2012, 11:01 PM	#3
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: U.N. Gun Threat: ATT ‘Will Have A Real Impact’ a man with a gun bows to no other except those he reveres

07-15-2012, 11:39 PM	#4
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: U.N. Gun Threat: ATT ‘Will Have A Real Impact’ How much clearer does it need to be? This IS the New World Order, right on schedule. Most TFF members see it I think, I only wish the uninformed masses could. The intentional collapse of our economy and infrastructure, the refusal to enforce our sovereignty and protect our borders from foreign invasion, with the aim of blurring the bounderies and facilitating the consolidation of nations, and disarming the people thus depriving them the means to resist. These aren't unrelated. __________________ "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!"

07-16-2012, 12:07 AM	#5
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: U.N. Gun Threat: ATT ‘Will Have A Real Impact’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Uru-NXj31uI

07-16-2012, 10:58 AM	#6
Rhuga Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Henderson, Nevada Posts: 645	Re: U.N. Gun Threat: ATT ‘Will Have A Real Impact’ This kind of stuff scares the hell out of me.

07-16-2012, 11:30 AM	#7
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,064	Re: U.N. Gun Threat: ATT ‘Will Have A Real Impact’ I think now is right about the time I'd be telling people I don't own any guns, keep em hidden away in hiding. __________________ Samuel Adams once said, "among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can." Last edited by hogger129; 07-16-2012 at 11:33 AM..

07-16-2012, 03:07 PM	#8
skullfr Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Beaumont,Texas Posts: 902	Re: U.N. Gun Threat: ATT ‘Will Have A Real Impact’ seems all the old conspiracy theories are coming to fruitation.This also explains the buidup of FEMA camps and the plastic coffins.I woulda hoped I didnt live that long but it is slowly treading forward.I suggest to purchase weapons that dont leave a paper trail.Cant take what they dont know about.Looks like my prepping will pay off sad to say.I would hate to pull the trigger on an american,but it may come to that.I only pray that God watches over us all and LEOS and military forces do some real soul searching.Great vid Jack,nutnfancy does great videos. __________________ If Ya cant stand up stand out There is no atheist in a foxhole Psalms 144:1 Blessed be the Lord my strength,which teacheth my hand to war and my fingers to fight

07-16-2012, 03:37 PM	#9
Zane71464 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Ohio NRA Member Contributor Posts: 5,362	Re: U.N. Gun Threat: ATT ‘Will Have A Real Impact’ In my opinion, with this happeneing and going to happen, bad thing are to follow. We had a Civil War in the past and people had better wake to the heck up. __________________ Two Words; "Simple Man", song by Charlie Daniels sums up my thoughts on a "few things"!

07-17-2012, 09:43 AM	#10
RYANINMICHIGAN V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 223	Re: U.N. Gun Threat: ATT ‘Will Have A Real Impact’ Why do I feel like the majority of the population is too lazy for a civil war? They like there cable TV and internet to much..

07-17-2012, 09:48 AM	#11
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,266	Re: U.N. Gun Threat: ATT ‘Will Have A Real Impact’ Yep, just feed, and clothe the masses, and promise to protect them. You can lead them anywhere. There are some that won't be led anywhere, at anytime, for any reason! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

07-19-2012, 02:52 PM	#13
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,064	Re: U.N. Gun Threat: ATT ‘Will Have A Real Impact’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO0k9SHljCc Jack you probably know who this Australian Rebecca lady is... __________________ Samuel Adams once said, "among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can."

07-19-2012, 05:52 PM	#14
whirley V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Contributor Posts: 457	Re: U.N. Gun Threat: ATT ‘Will Have A Real Impact’ Whaat guns, I don't have no steenking guns.

07-20-2012, 11:05 AM	#16
skullfr Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Beaumont,Texas Posts: 902	Re: U.N. Gun Threat: ATT ‘Will Have A Real Impact’ latest report put Iran at the lead of this mess http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/07...s-say-critics/ __________________ If Ya cant stand up stand out There is no atheist in a foxhole Psalms 144:1 Blessed be the Lord my strength,which teacheth my hand to war and my fingers to fight

07-20-2012, 11:44 AM	#18
Old Grump Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Little hut in the woods near Blue River Wisconsin Posts: 2,289	Re: U.N. Gun Threat: ATT ‘Will Have A Real Impact’ Just spent $671 on a gun and a little ammo and another $55 on flash lights today. I just ordered a case of 41 magnum ammo and balls for my 1851 Navy revolver. I see lots of smoke that the UN is blowing but no flames and I will continue to act as if I were a free man in a free country. If that changes it could be exciting trying to take me and my neighbors in for having to many guns or to many bullets. Especially when I feel I just barely have a good start. The White House Resident and his Twit can blow all the smoke they want. fact is they only have 108 more days until they become a sordid footnote in history as a glaring example of what the leader and representative of the USA should not be. __________________ "When once a republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil."~~- Thomas Jefferson Roman Catholic, Life Member of American Legion, VFW, Wisconsin Libertarian party, Wi-FORCE, WGO, NRA, JPFO, GOA, SAFand CCRKBA

07-20-2012, 12:48 PM	#19
01brian V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 331	Re: U.N. Gun Threat: ATT ‘Will Have A Real Impact’ Old Grump, I really like the way you put that. I agree 100%

07-20-2012, 12:49 PM	#20
skullfr Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Beaumont,Texas Posts: 902	Re: U.N. Gun Threat: ATT ‘Will Have A Real Impact’ well I for one refuse to live in fear.I will continue to live a normal life but it doesnt mean I am not prepared.I store food,water and other supplies if nothing else for hurricane season.Natural disasters are a large part of the earths history.If you live in fear they won. __________________ If Ya cant stand up stand out There is no atheist in a foxhole Psalms 144:1 Blessed be the Lord my strength,which teacheth my hand to war and my fingers to fight

07-20-2012, 03:08 PM	#21
Marlin T Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Mexico Posts: 7,857	Re: U.N. Gun Threat: ATT ‘Will Have A Real Impact’ This is the link for that article in Post 1 http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=23740 July 14, 2012 U.N. Gun Threat: ATT ‘Will Have A Real Impact’ __________________ "But the simple truth--born of experience--is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people." Judge Alex Kozinski - United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. - Thomas Paine Did you read todays GOOD shooting? >>>KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM <<<

07-20-2012, 04:06 PM	#22
time2shoot Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Brandon SD Contributor Posts: 2,600	Re: U.N. Gun Threat: ATT ‘Will Have A Real Impact’ Hey Running if he signs this bill.....http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=110365 You cant protest. it would be a felany. __________________ I AM A VETERAN MY OATH OF ENLISTMENT HAS NO EXPIRATION DATE!

07-26-2012, 03:52 PM	#24
marlin795 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Calvary Chapel Bible College; Murrieta,CA Posts: 755	Re: U.N. Gun Threat: ATT ‘Will Have A Real Impact’ They can have my guns that they know for a fact I own. "What guns I don't own any guns and how do you know I own guns?" (Me to anyone coming to take them. ) (Thank God for grandfathered firearms. ) __________________ Native born Californian, adopted by the Great State Of Texas! PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!!!