BRAND NEW to muzzleloading. HELP!!!!!

[Frnc4891]

I traded a pistol for all this stuff. Hasn't been shot in 15 years. Can anyone shed some light on the quality of this stuff? Is all the stuff that i have still reliable? Safe? T/C hawkin .45 and a plainsman rifle .50.

[jack404]

a bit neglected but not too bad , but will need a expert inspection ,

looks a complete setup

$200 each for the rifles easy and $150 for the extra's easy too


$500-$600 worth there if it all checks out ok ..

[howlnmad]

And them toes in the first pic could use a pedicure . Seriously, have them checked out by a gunsmith. BP can do some damage if not cleaned.

[Frnc4891]

couple more pics

[jack404]

that ones in better cond. and more kit !!!

heck of a pistol you musta traded eh

[Frnc4891]

i traded a p11 kel tec 9mm. nothing special

[jack404]

$250-$350 yeah? ( my us price guide is old and not complete)

bargain deal ..

[Frnc4891]

$225

[jack404]

if those rifles clean up like i hope you may be able to trade one for another p11

[jack404]

you got $7-800 new price in return easy total i seen

great deal

those are OK shooters when looked after

[Frnc4891]

do you think i have to worry about the powder or bullets being old

[jack404]

bullets ( projectiles ) as a rule dont age , they can oxidize some or get dents that dont make em great to use .. if smooth clean of oxides ( and turps will remove most ) and not dented or squashed go for it do check the sizes eh ..

powder thats a granule type powder there , so it will be good as long as its not broken down into dust , if its still a nice small granule use it

the dust , toss and burn somewhere safe


dust comes from it being shaken too much and broken apart or it getting moist and then redrying and falling apart

dust has a unpredictable burn rate and you should never use it , though some folks do use it for flinters as pan powder

[Frnc4891]

What is a max range?

[jack404]

about 400 for both with practice

practical 100-200

[Frnc4891]

Any advice on a good load to start with? Also, any idea what kind of drop is get at say 200 yards?

[Alpo]

The recommended starting load is the caliber. 45 caliber rifle - 45 grains. 50 caliber rifle - 50 grains. etc. Then you work up to what you like.

For my 50 caliber Renegade, with a round ball, my hunting load is 90 grains of 2F, and my target load is 45 grains. Just to give you an example.

[Alpo]

You've got some stuff there that don't belong. 4th picture. The 440 round ball is for a 45 rifle. The 490 round ball is for a 50 rifle. But the 454 round ball is for a 44 revolver. It's too big for your 45 and too small for your 50.

[Frnc4891]

I think one of the powders is for a pistol too. Can I use the pistol powder in the rifles?

[Alpo]

Yeah, Pyrodex RS is Rifle and Shotgun. Equivalent to FF. Pyrodex P is Pistol. Equivalent to FFF. You could use it for the 45. I don't know as I'd use it in the 50.

[Frnc4891]

Is there a shotgun load for muzzleloaders?

[aa1911]

good score, I have the same T/C hawken in .50 (and flintlock), it's taken plenty of deer. Overall, a good shooting gun. for .50, 70gns equivalent of FFF behind a .490 patched round ball is the standard target/practice load. I also use about 90gns for hunting.

Clean 'em up and you got some fun BP rifles to play with!

[Buffalochip]

Originally Posted by Frnc4891

Any advice on a good load to start with? Also, any idea what kind of drop is get at say 200 yards?

I have a .45 TC Hawken and have had good luck with 80 grains of Pyrodex RF. using 280 grain hollow base conicals. I'd say 100-120yds is about max for responsible hunting.