My new Stag Arms 5.56. (first time shooting it) ..problems

[LDBennett]

Gibill:

I still think it is ammo related. Commercial reloads are a crap game. Did they short the powder to get more reloads out of a can of powder?

As I said before....Buy some good commercial ammo from Remington, or Winchester. Try it in the gun and I'd bet the gun is fine. You are wasting your time and money sending it back without first doing the commercial ammo test. The gun will probably come back "No problem found". But hey, we all get to choose.

LDBennett

[GunHugger]

Originally Posted by LDBennett

Gibill:

I still think it is ammo related. Commercial reloads are a crap game. Did they short the powder to get more reloads out of a can of powder?

As I said before....Buy some good commercial ammo from Remington, or Winchester. Try it in the gun and I'd bet the gun is fine. You are wasting your time and money sending it back without first doing the commercial ammo test. The gun will probably come back "No problem found". But hey, we all get to choose.

LDBennett

I and others have told him this but he doesn't seem to read it...or want to believe it.

[LDBennett]

"You can lead a horse to water but you can not make him drink it."


LDBennett

[3/2 STA SS]

Originally Posted by LDBennett

"You can lead a horse to water but you can not make him drink it."


LDBennett

So true on so many levels...

[LDBennett]

3/2 STA SS:

My son-in-law had the same exact problem with his Stag Arms AR. He had only brought along some ammo that was bad. It got stored in a closed metal cabinet with an open container of pool chorine. The out side of the ammo showed signs of corrosion but it went bang (but apparently not hard enough!). When I shot my reloads that worked fine in my American Spirit Varmint AR in his gun it too worked fine. When a gun is gas or recoil operated the ammo load level, the gas pressure curve, and bullet mass all effect the operation.

But what do I know??? I only reload for 30 different cartridges, several semi-auto rifles in bigger calibers (8mm Mauser, 308, 7mm Mag), and many semi-auto handguns.

LDBennett

[Gibill]

Boy, talk about trigger happy people! You guys are shooting w/out giving anybody a chance......read my responses.....I appreciate all of the advice and AM taking it seriously. Just got back from cabellla's and purchased several other commercial rounds.....American eagle 223 55Gr fmj......Winchester 5.56 55 Gr full metal jacket.......PCM 5.56 NATO 62grs green tip-LAP......gonna test it hopefully tomorrow or tues. thanks again to all responses......taking all info as a learning experience. For those of you who haven't shot at me yet.....thanks.....for those of you that did.......well, I have big shoulders (meaning no offense taken) 2nd meaning.....you missed me! LOL thanks for your help and will let u know how it goes!

[JLA]

Skins good n thick. Youll do nicely Bill.

[GunHugger]

Originally Posted by Gibill

Boy, talk about trigger happy people! You guys are shooting w/out giving anybody a chance......read my responses.....I appreciate all of the advice and AM taking it seriously. Just got back from cabellla's and purchased several other commercial rounds.....American eagle 223 55Gr fmj......Winchester 5.56 55 Gr full metal jacket.......PCM 5.56 NATO 62grs green tip-LAP......gonna test it hopefully tomorrow or tues. thanks again to all responses......taking all info as a learning experience. For those of you who haven't shot at me yet.....thanks.....for those of you that did.......well, I have big shoulders (meaning no offense taken) 2nd meaning.....you missed me! LOL thanks for your help and will let u know how it goes!

Well Bill you did post the following AFTER you said "I appreciate all of the advice and AM taking it seriously."

This was your last post...right before we wondered why you weren't willing to try what many suggested.

Originally Posted by Gibill

To answer your question, JLA, I don't know the powder load.......the dealer I bought the gun from told me to use 5.56 green tip 62gr bullets......he told me where to buy them......they were in a plain clear plastic bag.......think I learned my lesson on buying ammo at a show.....yesterday, I contacted stag and they told me to send them the gun for their techs to go through to find the problem........it's boxed up ready to go out mon. A.m.......will keep u posted what I find out........i like JLA's observation about the possibility of the slots on the gas rings not being offset. Could that cause the spent shells coming out of the gun Luke warm? (as well as the barrel)

[Gibill]

My weapon is on the floor and my hands are up! Please don't shoot. On second thought picked my weapon back up......it isn't working anyway......you got me....saw the timeline differently.....and been pm'ing others about using commercial rounds......my bad!

[Gibill]

Well, fellas took my stag out loaded with PCM xtac 5.56 62 gr green tip.....fired 1 round.......didn't cycle. My buddy noticed a flash.....but not at the end of the barrel......the flash came at the end of the gas tube at the hand guard.....gun will be packed back up and sent to stag.......

[woolleyworm]

Originally Posted by Gibill

Well, fellas took my stag out loaded with PCM xtac 5.56 62 gr green tip.....fired 1 round.......didn't cycle. My buddy noticed a flash.....but not at the end of the barrel......the flash came at the end of the gas tube at the hand guard.....gun will be packed back up and sent to stag.......

Hope they get it back to you asap. Good idea to have someone watching too.

[Gibill]

well, continued looking into the problem.......those of you who suggested a gas problem.....you were right.....JLA worked with me and walked me thru the problem......taking all of the suggestions into consideration.......after shooting commercial ammo thru it and hearing my description of what happened, JLA walked me thru pulling the gas block and checking the alignment.......what appears to have happened, the dealer changed out the hand guard with a quad rail. in doing so the gas block was not over the barrel port. stag's delay in getting the shipping label and rma # gave me the time to converse back and forth with JLA and got the rail installed properly wih the gas block centered over the gas port........gun fired and cycled with commercial ammo as well as hand mfg'd loads........thanks again for the forum and everybody who gave input.....special thanks to JLA!

[LDBennett]

Gibill:

It is time to take that dealer to task for what he did to your gun and the delay in your enjoyment of same. The only way he'll know he screwed up is for you to show him that you are a little bit upset.

There are only so many things it could be but without the gun in hand to disassemble, as you did, there is not a surefire way to tell exactly what is wrong. The call to use commercial ammo was the least intrusive suggestion. If any of us had the gun in hand we may have started with the gas system after trying commercial ammo.

Don't feel cheated as all of us have had some unknowing or uncaring person mess up a gun or two. I had a Garand re-barreled years ago and I could not get it to cycle after the re-barrel. After much investigation and kind of by dumb luck and after changing out several parts, I found the barrel manufacturer had not drilled the gas port all the way through which minimize the gas getting to the operating rod piston.

Recently my son-in-law bought a CMP Garand (we have guns other than Garands!) and the hammer was following the bolt in recoil and not staying cocked after every shot. I took it home and investigated. The assembler at CMP had installed the hammer spring housing in the trigger group wrong side out. I let CMP know about it immediately and the president (or was it CEO ?) contacted me via email to assure me they would find out why that assembler wasn't paying attention or was unknowing. He thanked me for bringing it to his attention. You need to inform that dealer of his mistake so he won't do it again to someone else.

LDBennett

[Zane71464]

Originally Posted by Gibill

well, continued looking into the problem.......those of you who suggested a gas problem.....you were right.....JLA worked with me and walked me thru the problem......taking all of the suggestions into consideration.......after shooting commercial ammo thru it and hearing my description of what happened, JLA walked me thru pulling the gas block and checking the alignment.......what appears to have happened, the dealer changed out the hand guard with a quad rail. in doing so the gas block was not over the barrel port. stag's delay in getting the shipping label and rma # gave me the time to converse back and forth with JLA and got the rail installed properly wih the gas block centered over the gas port........gun fired and cycled with commercial ammo as well as hand mfg'd loads........thanks again for the forum and everybody who gave input.....special thanks to JLA!

Good to hear, problem solved!
After buying my Stag, I went back to where I had bought it and swapped for a quad rail. (better one than what came from the factory)
While I was there, the GS feller siad he'd put it on while I was there. I did watch him closely to make sure everything went back the way it came apart, especially the gas tube.

[JLA]

Its a simple thing to overlook especially with the clamp on gas blocks they seem to be using more and more these days. Good ol pin on never had this problem.