supposed german ss revolver

[Larry2582]

Ok last post. I was given this gun at same time as my m1. story says this came off a german ss officer.( I have heard this about alot of guns over the years) Only a few things on the gun. No manufacturor or serial number.on the barrel it has a N* and same on the body. On the cylinder as u roll it u see a few more things one is a shape of a pineapple and it has the markings ELG inside of it. also has a 2Q and a N*. Im not even sure what it is besides the fact that it shoots 38 shells lol. any help would be appreciated.

[hrf]

A cheap Belgian made revolver, not German, dating to 1893-1914 period if the "pineapple" reference means there's a crown on top of the ELG in oval Liege proofmark.

[Larry2582]

thats what i figured. Not very heavy good looking just not much to it.... thanks for the help

[Jim K]

Wow, look at that gold and silver gun! Must have belonged to Adolf Hitler himself!

Seriously, it is not impossible that some SS man actually owned that gun. Just as it is not impossible than it belonged to anyone who was alive after the gun was made.

But the chrome and gold plating are not original and were very likely done in the U.S. What we have is a not very valuable gun and a lot of imagination on the part of someone.

Jim

[RJay]

It lookls very much like one of the Nagant series, perhaps a 73 or 78

[hrf]

Originally Posted by RJay

It lookls very much like one of the Nagant series, perhaps a 73 or 78

Not much:

http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge...01878%20gb.htm

[wonderwhippet]

I don't know what caliber it is, but it sure as heck isn't .38. If you manage to fire some kind of .38 cartridge in it, your friends will probably call you "Lefty."

[RJay]

Originally Posted by hrf

Not much:

http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge...01878%20gb.htm

Well, don't know, it has the same blind grip screws, looks like the same take down screw, the same type ejector, same grip style and shape, the cylinder looks identical and same frame shape. Perhaps not a 78 but of the same Nagant family.

[Lanrezac]

RJay, I would suggest that this is not a Nagant style revolver, but a copy of the Webley "Royal Irish Constabulary" type revolver. It was also very popular with Belgian gunmakers.

Because both of these were double-action gate-loaded revolvers with ejector rods that stowed away in the cylinder axis pins, they have some similarities, but to my eyes, this is more RIC-styled. Just my two cents, of course.

[hrf]

The Belgians made a gazillion of these and imported many to USA as 44-40 "Frontier" revolvers such as this one in the 1911 Sears catalog "for a person who does not do very much shooting"... They were also popular in Mexico and South America. Quality was well below that of the Webleys and Nagants.

[Lanrezac]

Wow. I had no idea Sears ever distributed that kind of thing. And in 44-40, no less. Also surprising to see it as late as 1911. Thanks, hrf!

[Jim K]

Not really worth arguing about. All of those guns were much of a muchness, although the Webleys were arguably the best of the lot. They were all about the same, a solid frame with a swingover type ejector in the base pin. Nagant had several patents, including the idea of an ejector hung from a ring around the barrel as shown in hrf's link, but since the general appearance of most Nagant models was the same as guns made by others, it is hard to tell if a gun was made by Nagant or not unless markings are present.

The oval shape of the flutes would indicate Belgian manufacture, not English.

In any case the idea that such a gun was carried by an SS officer in WWII sends the needle of my BS meter off the scale.

Jim

[hrf]

Originally Posted by Jim K

Nagant had several patents, including the idea of an ejector hung from a ring around the barrel

And Webley's earliest RIC model used an ejector attached to a collar around the barrel, so Nagant may have just "borrowed" the idea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Webley_1868_RIC.JPG

[Larry2582]

I hate that i set ur bs meter off. i did think that i put i have heard this about a lot of old guns... Thanks for the help. Wait and i thought the pose said supposed. But frankly noone knows where it came from still its a good looking gun with a age. and with age comes history. wasnt trying to sell just seeing
what needs to go in the lock boxes and what can be topic pieces

[hrf]

Sorry if our rambling irritated you Larry; we're just old farts who like to talk old guns!

The proofmark confirms made in Belgium 1893-1914 period but more specific ID isn't possible.

[Larry2582]

also just got this. I think the story of the officer came because of the stuff that came with the gun the medals pictures the paper work of "captured Equipment" from oct 27 1945 . Didnt bother me just felt as if i struck a nerve

[Jim K]

Apologies, Larry. I was not attributing the "BS" to you; I realize you were merely reporting what you had heard. I meant only that the story was BS, something you obviously knew or suspected already.

Jim