help with load - The Firearms Forum

Appliancedude · 09-23-2012, 12:52 PM

Hey guys I finally ran out of unique and decided to try titegroup. I'm loading 158 gr cast RN. Lymans 49 doesn't list a load. Hodgson lists a load for a LSWC 3.2 to 3.8. Lymans cast handbook lists a FN 2.9 to 3.3.

I'm shooting from a 357 so +P is ok. I'm thinking of starting at 3.4 or 3.5. What do you guys think?

JLA · 09-23-2012, 01:03 PM

4.0 gr under a 158 is my load.

5.0 under a 125 shoots well too.

Appliancedude · 09-23-2012, 01:40 PM

How hot is that load? highest I found was 3.8. I know those are kinda conservative for liability reasons. Would that be +P load?

JLA · 09-23-2012, 04:58 PM

Its low level .357 loads in .357 brass. You didnt specify if you are loading .38 brass or .357. I dont load much .38 so i gave you .357 loads. Both would be in the +P range for .38 spec.

BlackEagle · 09-23-2012, 05:13 PM

I use 4.2gr Titegroup in my .357 cases with a 158gr rnfp head. This works well for my Marlin 1894 lever action gallery rifle.

woolleyworm · 09-23-2012, 06:28 PM

I would still start at 3.2, just don't load up too many. Not sure how far the range is for you to go test them; but I usually don't get to the range as often as I'd like.
I will load up across a "bell-curve" with my loads. Ie - load 3 rounds at 3.2, 3 @3.3, 5 @3.4 10 @3.5, 10 @3.6 and a few up to the max. This way, I can minimize trips for testing loads. I usually end up pulling a few bullets, but not many.

76Highboy · 09-23-2012, 06:31 PM

Well I would recommend a diaper, maybe an adult sized or something like a "Depends" to help you with your load. That is my first thought.

76Highboy · 09-23-2012, 06:46 PM

In my Modern Reloading by Richard Lee:

158gr Lead Bullet in .357

Titegroup 4.5gr = 1028 fps, 5.0gr = 1,610 fps

158gr Lead Bullet in 38 Special

Titegroup 3.2gr. = 815 fps, 3.8gr = 1,475 fps

I have never used Titegroup so a report back would be ideal.

76Highboy · 09-23-2012, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JLA

4.0 gr under a 158 is my load.

What is the velocity of that load? My math shows it cruising pretty slow and a 158gr. bullet tends to bounce back. Just curious Josh.

1969SS396 · 09-23-2012, 07:16 PM

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Well I would recommend a diaper, maybe an adult sized or something like a "Depends" to help you with your load. That is my first thought.

*Note to self* be very careful when phrasing topic

76Highboy · 09-23-2012, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 1969SS396

*Note to self* be very careful when phrasing topic

I got him good, didn't I. He, he, he.

Appliancedude · 09-23-2012, 08:06 PM

Crap

I shoulda seen that one coming. Sorry guys, its a 38sp load. Out of a 357. What you guys can't read minds?

JLA · 09-23-2012, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 76Highboy

What is the velocity of that load? My math shows it cruising pretty slow and a 158gr. bullet tends to bounce back. Just curious Josh.

Dunno. never chronied it. Its just a plinkin load. Hot .38 special level. Prolly 950 or so from my 6" gun.

JLA · 09-23-2012, 08:22 PM

I tend to use max .38 spec loads in my .357 plinkin loads. or somewhere between max .38 and starting .357. Seems to be a good sweet spot for light .357 loads..

ryan42 · 09-23-2012, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 76Highboy

Well I would recommend a diaper, maybe an adult sized or something like a "Depends" to help you with your load. That is my first thought.

Check this out highboy.I now have to do the grocery shopping which I hate but the other day there was an old man in front of me acting weird.All the sudden he stopped bend over slightly and crapped in his depends smack dab in the middle of the aisle.I pushed my cart off to the side full of stuff and walked out of the store.About made me upchuck.Thought I would share.Didnt mean to high Jack your Thread.

JLA · 09-23-2012, 09:12 PM

when ya gotta go, ya gotta go..

BlackEagle · 09-24-2012, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackEagle

I use 4.2gr Titegroup in my .357 cases with a 158gr rnfp head. This works well for my Marlin 1894 lever action gallery rifle.

For what it's worth, I chronied mine and came up with an average of 1080 fps. Don't know if that helps or not.

judgecrater · 10-05-2012, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Appliancedude

Hey guys I finally ran out of unique and decided to try titegroup. I'm loading 158 gr cast RN. Lymans 49 doesn't list a load. Hodgson lists a load for a LSWC 3.2 to 3.8. Lymans cast handbook lists a FN 2.9 to 3.3.

I'm shooting from a 357 so +P is ok. I'm thinking of starting at 3.4 or 3.5. What do you guys think?

Just remember a recipe without an OAL is meaningless.

Appliancedude · 10-05-2012, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by judgecrater

Just remember a recipe without an OAL is meaningless.

yea and being a dumbass and forgetting to mention that while I'm shooting from a 357 I want info on 38sp is kinda meaningless too. Don't ya think?

Black Cat · 10-05-2012, 12:21 PM

Forget that it is a 357 and just load for a 38SP start with loads in the Lee Book and the Hodgdon Web I only target shoot any more. I use nthing but tightgroup for 38SP,9mm,40S&W,45ACP and have been able tyo work up very accurate loads which depends on the gun

Appliancedude · 10-05-2012, 03:11 PM

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Forget that it is a 357 and just load for a 38SP start with loads in the Lee Book and the Hodgdon Web I only target shoot any more. I use nthing but tightgroup for 38SP,9mm,40S&W,45ACP and have been able tyo work up very accurate loads which depends on the gun

I know that. I forgot to mention it was 38sp in my first post. Problem was I can find no load data for a 158gr cast round nose bullet using titegroup for 38sp.

JLA · 10-05-2012, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by judgecrater

Just remember a recipe without an OAL is meaningless.

second time ive read this. we got an LD junior here

JLA · 10-05-2012, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Appliancedude

yea and being a dumbass and forgetting to mention that while I'm shooting from a 357 I want info on 38sp is kinda meaningless too. Don't ya think?

somehow i saw it between the lines tho.

Appliancedude · 10-06-2012, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JLA

somehow i saw it between the lines tho.

Which is why I love the info here. you can just read my mind

09-23-2012, 12:52 PM	#1
Appliancedude Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The true northern Cal Posts: 1,562	help with load Hey guys I finally ran out of unique and decided to try titegroup. I'm loading 158 gr cast RN. Lymans 49 doesn't list a load. Hodgson lists a load for a LSWC 3.2 to 3.8. Lymans cast handbook lists a FN 2.9 to 3.3. I'm shooting from a 357 so +P is ok. I'm thinking of starting at 3.4 or 3.5. What do you guys think? __________________ It ain't broke it just lacks duct tape. The nice thing about opinions is everybody has one. -->

09-23-2012, 01:03 PM	#2
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,319	Re: help with load 4.0 gr under a 158 is my load. 5.0 under a 125 shoots well too. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

09-23-2012, 01:40 PM	#3
Appliancedude Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The true northern Cal Posts: 1,562	Re: help with load How hot is that load? highest I found was 3.8. I know those are kinda conservative for liability reasons. Would that be +P load? __________________ It ain't broke it just lacks duct tape. The nice thing about opinions is everybody has one.

09-23-2012, 04:58 PM	#4
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,319	Re: help with load Its low level .357 loads in .357 brass. You didnt specify if you are loading .38 brass or .357. I dont load much .38 so i gave you .357 loads. Both would be in the +P range for .38 spec. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

09-23-2012, 05:13 PM	#5
BlackEagle Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: UK Posts: 3,172	Re: help with load I use 4.2gr Titegroup in my .357 cases with a 158gr rnfp head. This works well for my Marlin 1894 lever action gallery rifle.

09-23-2012, 06:28 PM	#6
woolleyworm TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SW Fort Worth Contributor Posts: 4,885	Re: help with load I would still start at 3.2, just don't load up too many. Not sure how far the range is for you to go test them; but I usually don't get to the range as often as I'd like. I will load up across a "bell-curve" with my loads. Ie - load 3 rounds at 3.2, 3 @3.3, 5 @3.4 10 @3.5, 10 @3.6 and a few up to the max. This way, I can minimize trips for testing loads. I usually end up pulling a few bullets, but not many. __________________ . What are you gonna do, talk the alien to death? -- (on Sigourney Weaver's worry about Guns in Aliens) "Safety is something that happens between your ears, not something you hold in your hands." "I carry a small gun to compensate for my huge Blue press." .

09-23-2012, 06:31 PM	#7
76Highboy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Meridian, Idaho Contributor Posts: 6,969	Re: help with load Well I would recommend a diaper, maybe an adult sized or something like a "Depends" to help you with your load. That is my first thought.

09-23-2012, 06:46 PM	#8
76Highboy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Meridian, Idaho Contributor Posts: 6,969	Re: help with load In my Modern Reloading by Richard Lee: 158gr Lead Bullet in .357 Titegroup 4.5gr = 1028 fps, 5.0gr = 1,610 fps 158gr Lead Bullet in 38 Special Titegroup 3.2gr. = 815 fps, 3.8gr = 1,475 fps I have never used Titegroup so a report back would be ideal. Last edited by 76Highboy; 09-23-2012 at 07:01 PM..

09-23-2012, 08:06 PM	#12
Appliancedude Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The true northern Cal Posts: 1,562	Re: help with load Crap I shoulda seen that one coming. Sorry guys, its a 38sp load. Out of a 357. What you guys can't read minds? __________________ It ain't broke it just lacks duct tape. The nice thing about opinions is everybody has one.

09-23-2012, 08:22 PM	#14
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,319	Re: help with load I tend to use max .38 spec loads in my .357 plinkin loads. or somewhere between max .38 and starting .357. Seems to be a good sweet spot for light .357 loads.. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

09-23-2012, 09:12 PM	#16
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,319	Re: help with load when ya gotta go, ya gotta go.. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

10-05-2012, 12:21 PM	#20
Black Cat Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Central Indiana Posts: 19	Re: help with load Forget that it is a 357 and just load for a 38SP start with loads in the Lee Book and the Hodgdon Web I only target shoot any more. I use nthing but tightgroup for 38SP,9mm,40S&W,45ACP and have been able tyo work up very accurate loads which depends on the gun