Concealed Carry Question - The Firearms Forum

45nut · 02-10-2010, 06:46 PM

Say you're driving home from work and some no driving moron cuts in front of you and nearly wrecks you. You oblidge him by telling him you think hes number one. He then offers to talk to you about it on the shoulder of the road.

What would you do? Personally, I think if bad things happen that make you need to defend your life with lethal force, the LEO's are going to think or consider you as an aggressor since you followed him to the side of the road and subsequently shot and or killed him, assuming you aren't shot or killed as well.

Car jacking is one thing, but this scenario is a completely different animal.

BTW, I declined the road side chat knowing that absolutely no good could come from it.

Besides, if that moron would have pulled a gun, I'd be going to jail I'm sure.

navis128 · 02-10-2010, 07:09 PM

Drive Friendly, The Texas Way.

(but i know what you mean, was in D and a dulley almost ran me over in my focus w/ kids in my car...I offered but the big haired dallasite declined)

mrkirker · 02-10-2010, 07:10 PM

A wise move, 45! Believe me, you'd be considered the 'agressor' since YOU decided to stop, knowing that you carried lethal force into the situation.

It's a strong man, that can walk away from a fight that he knows he can win.

"Way to go!"

Terry_P · 02-10-2010, 07:16 PM

No good would have come of it. Road rage is under the microscope by law enforcement and if you stopped with a carry piece you may have been in a world of hurt even if you didn't show it.

ARB · 02-10-2010, 07:24 PM

Keep driving man, keep drivin'.

45nut · 02-10-2010, 07:45 PM

Thanks, I needed to vent. A friend of mine once asked me, "Do you think the moron went home and said, "Man that dude was right and I was wrong?"

Absolutely not!!!!!!!

hogger129 · 02-10-2010, 08:16 PM

Well...

I used have a bit of a road rage problem, I'll admit it. Been cut off numerous times by idiots on their phones, or kids that just got their license driving home from school. It never pays to get angry, especially behind the wheel.

Someone rides up on my tail, I'll usually just slow down to see if they pass. Or else I'll keep driving and let them pass when there's another lane.

The way I see it, it's always better to avoid trouble than to instigate. I've gotten alot better with my road rage. I used to start yelling, flipping the finger, brake testing... I think it get it from my grandpa. He had a really bad road rage problem. I've gotten better. Could just be that I'm getting older & more laid back.

I've had times too where the other person got mad, tried to follow me home. Got away luckily. Have had people pull off to the side of the road, but I just kept going. I don't know the person and what might happen if I walk up to an angry person on the side of the road. I'd rather just keep going, walk away and avoid confrontation. What if the guy happens to take a swing at me? Or pulls out a weapon? I won't know. I would just keep driving.

trapperdick · 02-10-2010, 08:23 PM

Just keep on truckin'.........they'll be another day.

Alpo · 02-10-2010, 08:37 PM

I presume the "telling him he's number 1" was flipping him off, but this one has me confused. "He then offers to talk to you about it on the shoulder of the road."

He pulled over and got out of his car, menacingly? Great. Drive on down the road. He forces you off the road? Totally different thing. Get out of truck with gun in one hand and cell in other, having already dialed 911. He's going to the hoosegow.

If he hits my car, I call the cops. If he forces me off the road, I have a gun in my hand while I call the cops. Otherwise, drive on down the road.

new308handloader · 02-10-2010, 08:41 PM

With the right to carry, you lose the right to confrontation

navis128 · 02-10-2010, 08:47 PM

You know, you could have just done it the old fashioned way and boxed...why not get the satisfaction of a job well done?

pinecone70 · 02-10-2010, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by new308handloader

With the right to carry, you lose the right to confrontation

Yep.

pickenup · 02-10-2010, 08:50 PM

Had a similar situation happen a while back. Road was 2 lanes each way, I was in the left lane, left turn lane coming up that I was going to use. Car in the right lane pulled into my lane. I HAD to swerve AND hit the brakes to avoid hitting him.

He got into the left turn lane in front of me, and we both turned, then pulled into the parking lot of the bank. We both "happened" to be going there. When he got out of his car, I let him know in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS (may have been a few 4 letter words thrown out) that what he did was both STUPID and DANGEROUS.

Situation was escalating to the point where it could easily become physical. About that time, that little voice in my head said, "he ain't worth going to jail for" I listened. Then told him exactly that. "You ain't worth going to jail, for taking you out of the gene pool" (Yes, I actually said that) Started the car, drove up the street to get a drink. (chocolate milk) Went back to the bank, he was gone of course, and I did my banking.

I had gotten my point across, I had called him on his STUPIDITY. I can only hope that next time he thinks about it first, before he repeats his performance. Little did he know how close he came. I had my CCW "IN HAND" just below the window. If he had taken one more step closer, I probably wouldn't be here typing this. (I wouldn't be able to afford the internet, lawyers would be getting ALL of my money

)

As STUPID as some people are, and as much as they NEED to be taken out of the gene pool. Road rage is NOT a good enough reason to change YOUR life, the way it would change if you did take them out.

45nut · 02-10-2010, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pickenup

As STUPID as some people are, and as much as they NEED to be taken out of the gene pool. Road rage is NOT a good enough reason to change YOUR life, the way it would change if you did take them out.

What my MENTOR pickenup said!!!!!

Good night all

JohnTheCalifornian · 02-10-2010, 10:02 PM

I think of it this way, we all have had people cut us off at one point. And I am willing to bet we all have cut someone off( I know I have), either by accident or on purpose. Its just another part of daily life. Just always proves you can never get complacent behind the wheel. Your life and the life of others depend on it.

red14 · 02-10-2010, 10:53 PM

If you are in Miami Florida and someone cuts you off, do not yell at them, they shoot it out on the roads there.

Suicide*Ride · 02-10-2010, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 45nut

Say you're driving home from work and some no driving moron cuts in front of you and nearly wrecks you. You oblidge him by telling him you think hes number one. He then offers to talk to you about it on the shoulder of the road.

What would you do?

Sorry Nut, but I wouldn't have told him he's #1.

Had he invited me to stop, & me actually stopping, would depend on how many witnes..... er, cars are driving by.

All joking aside, I might yell a few choice words, but I would never stop on the side of the road unless he trades paint w/ me.....

..... then & only then would all bets (& the safety) be off.

My fuse is wet but short.

SR

Maximilian II · 02-11-2010, 05:16 AM

Personal philosophy here, but:
Always avoid confrontation.

If he speaks agressively, move away. If he follows, run. If he chases, go home. If he kicks your home's front door in, KILL HIM.

Hard to go wrong with that.

*EDIT* check legalities in your state.

carver · 02-11-2010, 05:28 AM

Me, I just thank God that I'm OK, it was just a near miss. It wasn't always that way with me though. I suppose it's true what they say, "If you live long enough, you gather some small amout of wisdom.

Double D · 02-11-2010, 07:25 AM

Pull up along side of him and toss a grenade in his front seat. Then just wave and drive off.

Alpo · 02-11-2010, 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maximilian II

Personal philosophy here, but:
Always avoid confrontation.

If he speaks agressively, move away. If he follows, run. If he chases, go home. If he kicks your home's front door in, KILL HIM.

Hard to go wrong with that.

*EDIT* check legalities in your state.

I completely disagree. Why in the world would you lead someone that is upset with you to your home? If he chases, go to the cop-shop. "C'mon, jerkwad. Follow me into the police station parking lot, and start something there."

Alpo · 02-11-2010, 07:59 AM

Didn't need to say this twice.

Alpo · 02-11-2010, 08:00 AM

definitely did not need this three times

Bubblehead · 02-11-2010, 09:19 AM

My advice is to ignore those fools. Flipping him off, tapping the brakes, riding his bumper, etc., will only provoke further aggression on his part.

Let him go, let him be stupid, but stay cool yourself.

Even self-defense schools teach you that a safe retreat if far more desirable than a confrontation. Good advice for the roadways also.

John

45nut · 02-11-2010, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bubblehead

Even self-defense schools teach you that a safe retreat if far more desirable than a confrontation. Good advice for the roadways also.John

Thanks Everyone. I have cooled off since my younger days because now I know I won't live forever.

Retreat and take cover, just what I've been practicing. Doesn't mean it's easy, just because it's right!

02-10-2010, 07:09 PM	#2
navis128 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,392	Re: Concealed Carry Question Drive Friendly, The Texas Way. (but i know what you mean, was in D and a dulley almost ran me over in my focus w/ kids in my car...I offered but the big haired dallasite declined) __________________ A British general reported to London that the rebels, though untrained, had earned his respect: "Whoever looks upon them as an irregular mob will find himself much mistaken." "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." The Declaration of Independence

02-10-2010, 07:10 PM	#3
mrkirker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,067	Re: Concealed Carry Question A wise move, 45! Believe me, you'd be considered the 'agressor' since YOU decided to stop, knowing that you carried lethal force into the situation. It's a strong man, that can walk away from a fight that he knows he can win. "Way to go!" __________________ *I don't know if dogs have a heaven, but there will be dogs in mine.* Last edited by mrkirker; 02-10-2010 at 07:11 PM..

02-10-2010, 07:16 PM	#4
Terry_P Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NH Posts: 2,513	Re: Concealed Carry Question No good would have come of it. Road rage is under the microscope by law enforcement and if you stopped with a carry piece you may have been in a world of hurt even if you didn't show it. __________________ NRA and NAHC Life "Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -Aristotle

02-10-2010, 07:24 PM	#5
ARB Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Mid Missouri Posts: 1,184	Re: Concealed Carry Question Keep driving man, keep drivin'.

02-10-2010, 07:45 PM	#6
45nut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,428	Re: Concealed Carry Question Thanks, I needed to vent. A friend of mine once asked me, "Do you think the moron went home and said, "Man that dude was right and I was wrong?" Absolutely not!!!!!!! __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. Shane Nemo me impune lacesset We recall the case of the Shoshone war band which showed up complete with one 30-30 rifle per man the week after Pearl Harbor, and simply wanted to have the enemy pointed out to them. "We hear there's a war going on and we want to go fight it." Jeff Cooper *KCCO*

02-10-2010, 06:46 PM	#1
45nut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,428	Concealed Carry Question Say you're driving home from work and some no driving moron cuts in front of you and nearly wrecks you. You oblidge him by telling him you think hes number one. He then offers to talk to you about it on the shoulder of the road. What would you do? Personally, I think if bad things happen that make you need to defend your life with lethal force, the LEO's are going to think or consider you as an aggressor since you followed him to the side of the road and subsequently shot and or killed him, assuming you aren't shot or killed as well. Car jacking is one thing, but this scenario is a completely different animal. BTW, I declined the road side chat knowing that absolutely no good could come from it. Besides, if that moron would have pulled a gun, I'd be going to jail I'm sure. __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. Shane Nemo me impune lacesset We recall the case of the Shoshone war band which showed up complete with one 30-30 rifle per man the week after Pearl Harbor, and simply wanted to have the enemy pointed out to them. "We hear there's a war going on and we want to go fight it." Jeff Cooper *KCCO* -->

02-10-2010, 08:16 PM	#7
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,064	Re: Concealed Carry Question Well... I used have a bit of a road rage problem, I'll admit it. Been cut off numerous times by idiots on their phones, or kids that just got their license driving home from school. It never pays to get angry, especially behind the wheel. Someone rides up on my tail, I'll usually just slow down to see if they pass. Or else I'll keep driving and let them pass when there's another lane. The way I see it, it's always better to avoid trouble than to instigate. I've gotten alot better with my road rage. I used to start yelling, flipping the finger, brake testing... I think it get it from my grandpa. He had a really bad road rage problem. I've gotten better. Could just be that I'm getting older & more laid back. I've had times too where the other person got mad, tried to follow me home. Got away luckily. Have had people pull off to the side of the road, but I just kept going. I don't know the person and what might happen if I walk up to an angry person on the side of the road. I'd rather just keep going, walk away and avoid confrontation. What if the guy happens to take a swing at me? Or pulls out a weapon? I won't know. I would just keep driving. __________________ Samuel Adams once said, "among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can." Last edited by hogger129; 02-10-2010 at 08:28 PM..

02-10-2010, 08:23 PM	#8
trapperdick Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Western, Maine Posts: 26	Re: Concealed Carry Question Just keep on truckin'.........they'll be another day. __________________ Retired from 25 yrs in Law Enforcement

02-10-2010, 08:37 PM	#9
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,652	Re: Concealed Carry Question I presume the "telling him he's number 1" was flipping him off, but this one has me confused. "He then offers to talk to you about it on the shoulder of the road." He pulled over and got out of his car, menacingly? Great. Drive on down the road. He forces you off the road? Totally different thing. Get out of truck with gun in one hand and cell in other, having already dialed 911. He's going to the hoosegow. If he hits my car, I call the cops. If he forces me off the road, I have a gun in my hand while I call the cops. Otherwise, drive on down the road. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

02-10-2010, 08:41 PM	#10
new308handloader Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Maryville, TN Posts: 535	Re: Concealed Carry Question With the right to carry, you lose the right to confrontation __________________ "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." D. D. Eisenhower

02-10-2010, 08:47 PM	#11
navis128 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,392	Re: Concealed Carry Question You know, you could have just done it the old fashioned way and boxed...why not get the satisfaction of a job well done? __________________ A British general reported to London that the rebels, though untrained, had earned his respect: "Whoever looks upon them as an irregular mob will find himself much mistaken." "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." The Declaration of Independence

02-10-2010, 08:50 PM	#13
pickenup Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains Posts: 6,837	Re: Concealed Carry Question Had a similar situation happen a while back. Road was 2 lanes each way, I was in the left lane, left turn lane coming up that I was going to use. Car in the right lane pulled into my lane. I HAD to swerve AND hit the brakes to avoid hitting him. He got into the left turn lane in front of me, and we both turned, then pulled into the parking lot of the bank. We both "happened" to be going there. When he got out of his car, I let him know in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS (may have been a few 4 letter words thrown out) that what he did was both STUPID and DANGEROUS. Situation was escalating to the point where it could easily become physical. About that time, that little voice in my head said, "he ain't worth going to jail for" I listened. Then told him exactly that. "You ain't worth going to jail, for taking you out of the gene pool" (Yes, I actually said that) Started the car, drove up the street to get a drink. (chocolate milk) Went back to the bank, he was gone of course, and I did my banking. I had gotten my point across, I had called him on his STUPIDITY. I can only hope that next time he thinks about it first, before he repeats his performance. Little did he know how close he came. I had my CCW "IN HAND" just below the window. If he had taken one more step closer, I probably wouldn't be here typing this. (I wouldn't be able to afford the internet, lawyers would be getting ALL of my money ) As STUPID as some people are, and as much as they NEED to be taken out of the gene pool. Road rage is NOT a good enough reason to change YOUR life, the way it would change if you did take them out. __________________ The gene pool needs chlorine

02-10-2010, 10:02 PM	#15
JohnTheCalifornian V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bakersfield Posts: 431	Re: Concealed Carry Question I think of it this way, we all have had people cut us off at one point. And I am willing to bet we all have cut someone off( I know I have), either by accident or on purpose. Its just another part of daily life. Just always proves you can never get complacent behind the wheel. Your life and the life of others depend on it. __________________ Im not a complete idiot.... parts are missing

02-10-2010, 10:53 PM	#16
red14 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N FLA Posts: 3,913	Re: Concealed Carry Question If you are in Miami Florida and someone cuts you off, do not yell at them, they shoot it out on the roads there. __________________ I never argue, I state my opinion, and support my position.

02-11-2010, 05:16 AM	#18
Maximilian II Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Northwest GA Posts: 1,381	Personal philosophy here, but: Always avoid confrontation. If he speaks agressively, move away. If he follows, run. If he chases, go home. If he kicks your home's front door in, KILL HIM. Hard to go wrong with that. EDIT check legalities in your state.

02-11-2010, 05:28 AM	#19
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,245	Re: Concealed Carry Question Me, I just thank God that I'm OK, it was just a near miss. It wasn't always that way with me though. I suppose it's true what they say, "If you live long enough, you gather some small amout of wisdom. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

02-11-2010, 07:25 AM	#20
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,061	Re: Concealed Carry Question Pull up along side of him and toss a grenade in his front seat. Then just wave and drive off. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

02-11-2010, 07:59 AM	#22
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,652	Didn't need to say this twice.

02-11-2010, 08:00 AM	#23
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,652	definitely did not need this three times

02-11-2010, 09:19 AM	#24
Bubblehead V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Pioneer, CA Posts: 480	Re: Concealed Carry Question My advice is to ignore those fools. Flipping him off, tapping the brakes, riding his bumper, etc., will only provoke further aggression on his part. Let him go, let him be stupid, but stay cool yourself. Even self-defense schools teach you that a safe retreat if far more desirable than a confrontation. Good advice for the roadways also. John __________________ There are only two types of ships: Submarines and Targets.