Ahmadinejad Has Jewish Roots - The Firearms Forum

RunningOnMT · 10-05-2009, 07:32 AM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ish-past.html#

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's vitriolic attacks on the Jewish world hide an astonishing secret, evidence uncovered by The Daily Telegraph shows.

By Damien McElroy and Ahmad Vahdat
Published: 7:30AM BST 03 Oct 2009

Ahmadinejad showing papers during election. It shows that his family's previous name was Jewish A photograph of the Iranian president holding up his identity card during elections in March 2008 clearly shows his family has Jewish roots.

A close-up of the document reveals he was previously known as Sabourjian – a Jewish name meaning cloth weaver.

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The Sabourjians traditionally hail from Aradan, Mr Ahmadinejad's birthplace, and the name derives from "weaver of the Sabour", the name for the Jewish Tallit shawl in Persia. The name is even on the list of reserved names for Iranian Jews compiled by Iran's Ministry of the Interior.

Experts last night suggested Mr Ahmadinejad's track record for hate-filled attacks on Jews could be an overcompensation to hide his past.

Ali Nourizadeh, of the Centre for Arab and Iranian Studies, said: "This aspect of Mr Ahmadinejad's background explains a lot about him.

"Every family that converts into a different religion takes a new identity by condemning their old faith.

"By making anti-Israeli statements he is trying to shed any suspicions about his Jewish connections. He feels vulnerable in a radical Shia society."

A London-based expert on Iranian Jewry said that "jian" ending to the name specifically showed the family had been practising Jews.

"He has changed his name for religious reasons, or at least his parents had," said the Iranian-born Jew living in London. "Sabourjian is well known Jewish name in Iran."

A spokesman for the Israeli embassy in London said it would not be drawn on Mr Ahmadinejad's background. "It's not something we'd talk about," said Ron Gidor, a spokesman.

The Iranian leader has not denied his name was changed when his family moved to Tehran in the 1950s. But he has never revealed what it was change from or directly addressed the reason for the switch.

Relatives have previously said a mixture of religious reasons and economic pressures forced his blacksmith father Ahmad to change when Mr Ahmadinejad was aged four.

The Iranian president grew up to be a qualified engineer with a doctorate in traffic management. He served in the Revolutionary Guards militia before going on to make his name in hardline politics in the capital.

During this year's presidential debate on television he was goaded to admit that his name had changed but he ignored the jibe.

However Mehdi Khazali, an internet blogger, who called for an investigation of Mr Ahmadinejad's roots was arrested this summer.

Mr Ahmadinejad has regularly levelled bitter criticism at Israel, questioned its right to exist and denied the Holocaust. British diplomats walked out of a UN meeting last month after the Iranian president denounced Israel's 'genocide, barbarism and racism.'

Benjamin Netanyahu made an impassioned denunciation of the Iranian leader at the same UN summit. "Yesterday, the man who calls the Holocaust a lie spoke from this podium," he said. "A mere six decades after the Holocaust, you give legitimacy to a man who denies the murder of six million Jews while promising to wipe out the State of Israel, the State of the Jews. What a disgrace. What a mockery of the charter of the United Nations."

Mr Ahmadinejad has been consistently outspoken about the Nazi attempt to wipe out the Jewish race. "They have created a myth today that they call the massacre of Jews and they consider it a principle above God, religions and the prophets," he declared at a conference on the holocaust staged in Tehran in 2006.

Seems to me I heard that Hitler had Jewish roots also. This guy is pure evil and in my opinion has the potential to commit far more devastation than Hitler did, if one can believe that. He must be stopped...one way or another.

ampaterry · 10-05-2009, 08:08 AM

Just another anti-semitic scumbag who needs to be introduced to his God as soon as possible.

I agree that some who convert feel the need to attack their previous position, life, connections, or ethnic group. The most militant anti-smokers, for instance, once smoked themselves - an example almost too trivial to be mentioned as a comparison.

TranterUK · 10-05-2009, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ampaterry

Just another anti-semitic scumbag who needs to be introduced to his God as soon as possible.

I agree. There are people to be hated out there, but they are never defined by faith, race or colour. They are defined by what they do, or in some cases dont do.

USMC-03 · 10-05-2009, 09:49 AM

Yep. There are just some people in this world that need to be removed from it, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is one. Let him have his supposed virgins in heaven, just as long as he is no longer able to threaten anyone in this life...

RunningOnMT · 10-05-2009, 02:48 PM

I hope whatever must be done is with as little collateral damage as possible. From Iranians (Persians) I have met they seem to be pretty decent people generally. I don't believe Arachnaphobiajob represents the beliefs or desires of the majority of them.

sabashimon · 10-05-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SpazFreak1911

who knows..all i know is Isreal is instigating a war perfect example was when Ahmadinajingbalog supposedly said "wipe them off the map" when that was found to be false and who translated this? non other then MEMRI an organisation set up by 'former' head of Israeli intelligence which receives millions of dollars of US funding...There all fishy and they will both lead us to another war....

You're right....What he said in Farsi was that Israel "must be eliminated from the pages of history."
You're an idiot.

RunningOnMT · 10-06-2009, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by sabashimon

You're right....What he said in Farsi was that Israel "must be eliminated from the pages of history."
You're an idiot.

+1 Yep

ampaterry · 10-06-2009, 07:04 AM

I remember watching the SCUD missiles heading for Israel on CNN a few years ago, and being intercepted by our missiles while we PLEADED with Israel not to engage - and they gave in to us and remained inactive.
But those aren't REAL Jews, but only Kazeer Jews, right Spaz?

That was all trick photography anyway wasn't it Spaz? Probably the Jews that control the media just made that up, right?

But arguing with you guys is an activity in which I have wasted far too much of my time already. Don't confuse you with facts, as your mind is made up.

I am SO proud of my restraint in this post.
You guys should have seen it BEFORE I edited it!

10-05-2009, 07:32 AM	#1
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Ahmadinejad Has Jewish Roots http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ish-past.html# Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's vitriolic attacks on the Jewish world hide an astonishing secret, evidence uncovered by The Daily Telegraph shows. By Damien McElroy and Ahmad Vahdat Published: 7:30AM BST 03 Oct 2009 Ahmadinejad showing papers during election. It shows that his family's previous name was Jewish A photograph of the Iranian president holding up his identity card during elections in March 2008 clearly shows his family has Jewish roots. A close-up of the document reveals he was previously known as Sabourjian – a Jewish name meaning cloth weaver. Related Articles Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: Jews in Iran Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: in the words of the Holocaust denier Let's see how Iran's president likes being called 'the Jew Ahmadinejad' Funny, you don't look Jewish? The short note scrawled on the card suggests his family changed its name to Ahmadinejad when they converted to embrace Islam after his birth. The Sabourjians traditionally hail from Aradan, Mr Ahmadinejad's birthplace, and the name derives from "weaver of the Sabour", the name for the Jewish Tallit shawl in Persia. The name is even on the list of reserved names for Iranian Jews compiled by Iran's Ministry of the Interior. Experts last night suggested Mr Ahmadinejad's track record for hate-filled attacks on Jews could be an overcompensation to hide his past. Ali Nourizadeh, of the Centre for Arab and Iranian Studies, said: "This aspect of Mr Ahmadinejad's background explains a lot about him. "Every family that converts into a different religion takes a new identity by condemning their old faith. "By making anti-Israeli statements he is trying to shed any suspicions about his Jewish connections. He feels vulnerable in a radical Shia society." A London-based expert on Iranian Jewry said that "jian" ending to the name specifically showed the family had been practising Jews. "He has changed his name for religious reasons, or at least his parents had," said the Iranian-born Jew living in London. "Sabourjian is well known Jewish name in Iran." A spokesman for the Israeli embassy in London said it would not be drawn on Mr Ahmadinejad's background. "It's not something we'd talk about," said Ron Gidor, a spokesman. The Iranian leader has not denied his name was changed when his family moved to Tehran in the 1950s. But he has never revealed what it was change from or directly addressed the reason for the switch. Relatives have previously said a mixture of religious reasons and economic pressures forced his blacksmith father Ahmad to change when Mr Ahmadinejad was aged four. The Iranian president grew up to be a qualified engineer with a doctorate in traffic management. He served in the Revolutionary Guards militia before going on to make his name in hardline politics in the capital. During this year's presidential debate on television he was goaded to admit that his name had changed but he ignored the jibe. However Mehdi Khazali, an internet blogger, who called for an investigation of Mr Ahmadinejad's roots was arrested this summer. Mr Ahmadinejad has regularly levelled bitter criticism at Israel, questioned its right to exist and denied the Holocaust. British diplomats walked out of a UN meeting last month after the Iranian president denounced Israel's 'genocide, barbarism and racism.' Benjamin Netanyahu made an impassioned denunciation of the Iranian leader at the same UN summit. "Yesterday, the man who calls the Holocaust a lie spoke from this podium," he said. "A mere six decades after the Holocaust, you give legitimacy to a man who denies the murder of six million Jews while promising to wipe out the State of Israel, the State of the Jews. What a disgrace. What a mockery of the charter of the United Nations." Mr Ahmadinejad has been consistently outspoken about the Nazi attempt to wipe out the Jewish race. "They have created a myth today that they call the massacre of Jews and they consider it a principle above God, religions and the prophets," he declared at a conference on the holocaust staged in Tehran in 2006. Seems to me I heard that Hitler had Jewish roots also. This guy is pure evil and in my opinion has the potential to commit far more devastation than Hitler did, if one can believe that. He must be stopped...one way or another. -->

10-05-2009, 08:08 AM	#2
ampaterry TFF Admin Staff Chaplain Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: West Tennessee Contributor Posts: 6,291	Re: Ahmadinejad Has Jewish Roots Just another anti-semitic scumbag who needs to be introduced to his God as soon as possible. I agree that some who convert feel the need to attack their previous position, life, connections, or ethnic group. The most militant anti-smokers, for instance, once smoked themselves - an example almost too trivial to be mentioned as a comparison. __________________ A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders. Larry Elder

10-05-2009, 09:49 AM	#4
USMC-03 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Peoples Republic of the Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,825	Re: Ahmadinejad Has Jewish Roots Yep. There are just some people in this world that need to be removed from it, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is one. Let him have his supposed virgins in heaven, just as long as he is no longer able to threaten anyone in this life... __________________ Let not the rifles of good and free men be reforged into plowshares, but may they rest in a place of honor; ready, well oiled and God willing unused. For if the price of peace becomes licking the boots of tyrants, then "To Arms!" I say, and may the fortunes of war smile upon patriots. - Fortes Fortuna Javat -

10-05-2009, 02:48 PM	#5
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: Ahmadinejad Has Jewish Roots I hope whatever must be done is with as little collateral damage as possible. From Iranians (Persians) I have met they seem to be pretty decent people generally. I don't believe Arachnaphobiajob represents the beliefs or desires of the majority of them.

10-06-2009, 07:04 AM	#8
ampaterry TFF Admin Staff Chaplain Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: West Tennessee Contributor Posts: 6,291	Re: Ahmadinejad Has Jewish Roots I remember watching the SCUD missiles heading for Israel on CNN a few years ago, and being intercepted by our missiles while we PLEADED with Israel not to engage - and they gave in to us and remained inactive. But those aren't REAL Jews, but only Kazeer Jews, right Spaz? That was all trick photography anyway wasn't it Spaz? Probably the Jews that control the media just made that up, right? But arguing with you guys is an activity in which I have wasted far too much of my time already. Don't confuse you with facts, as your mind is made up. I am SO proud of my restraint in this post. You guys should have seen it BEFORE I edited it! __________________ A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders. Larry Elder Last edited by ampaterry; 10-06-2009 at 07:19 AM..