Cain Is Done! - The Firearms Forum

Willie · 11-04-2011, 12:58 PM

I look for Herm to drop out soon. Two harrassment cases paid off and now a third that wants to talk about what he did, the guy talking about said if she talks Cain would have to quit. Of course he denies it but as head of the resturant assoc do you suppose he just made a small mistake 3x or was he screwing all the women he could? Sort of like the fox in the henhouse. How many food service workers could resist sex with the head of the assoc at conventions? Some just for fun but some might have thought they could advance thier career by having sex with Cain. Cain of a 42 year marriage. Cain who has a wife not taking part in his campaign. And if he did nothing why not stand up and refuse to pay women hush money? Kind of like Michael Jackson, paying millions to keep people quiet. All he needs now is a woman to admit having sex with him and the dam might break. looks like to me just another powerful man who thinks he deserves all the sex he can get. Rules don't apply to men like this. On the other hand maybe he will fit right in with the Washington elite. If he can learn how to text pics. Say what you want about Obama and Perry and Romney etc but they have not been outed like Cain has.

Songman · 11-04-2011, 01:14 PM

He probably is.. Because people are more worried about who a man screws than what he can do for this country. I'm not saying I agree with adultery. I am a man who values character and believes in the sanctity of marriage (a reason why I think it should be protected). What Herman Cain does within his own life is between him, his wife, and his God. The same as what Bill Clinton did... I don't care that he got BJs from an intern. That is between him, Hillary, and God... I do care that he stood up there and lied to me about it. He should have been like JFK when he was asked about Marilyn and said it was none of anyone's business because it was his personal life.

And I think I will hold up the crucifixion anyway.. Blame does not constitute guilt in this country. Even if blamed more than once. When I first heard that a woman had come forth about Cain, my first thought was that the Democrats were scared of him and dug around to see what they could find to discredit him. I mean, that is their tactic. Ask Joe the plumber. Thank goodness this country is more than that and has laws to protect people. They are given the right to be held innocent until proven guilty. But I guess that doesn't apply to the jury of the mind. It seems that Herman Cain is already guilty... as is Michael Jackson. In both cases, I think they made great targets.

tcox4freedom · 11-04-2011, 01:38 PM

More & more it is appearing that all this was nothing but an attempt to destroy him. These allegations seam to be nothing more than baseless lies. So, I wouldn't count him out just yet.

RunningOnMT · 11-04-2011, 01:51 PM

Forgetting his sex life and personal conduct I just can't see how anyone could take him seriously as a presidential candidate. He is obviously winging it when interviewed. He has a plan for everything which he makes up on the spot. That might fool the restaurant community but no one with any experience reading through BS.

Songman · 11-04-2011, 02:03 PM

Are you forgetting who inhabits the White House right now? How did anyone take the Community Organizer with no birth certificate and ties to ACORN and just about every other America hater seriously either. But still here he is, ruining our country.

No, I don't think 9-9-9 is a good idea. Some Liberal a few years back suggested to me that he thought a 10% across the board tax would be a good idea. I said "Go for it! Every wealthy person in America will love you for it since they are paying substantially more than that! And the poor people will still be unhappy because it benefits the rich more than it does them." But at least it is something. No one else offers any idea at all.

Double D · 11-04-2011, 02:16 PM

I would wager that these claims are completely bogus and are designed to destroy him because he was gaining ground. Romboma is a slickster and perry doesnt like being in the position hes in so, we shall see. If they find out its a fabrication from either of the other campaigns, they should disqualify them and press charges. The romney / perry school boy nonsense needs to go away anyhow. There isnt one single qualified candidate in the whole bunch, but, I would take any of their half brothers to get bozo out of there. Where is our leader? Cant someone step forward and take charge?

Caneman · 11-04-2011, 03:59 PM

this all reminds me of the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings from the testimony of Anita whats-her-name: "he put a pubic hair on top of my coke can"... my guess is that this is just GOP establishment dirty tricks...

jstgsn · 11-04-2011, 04:15 PM

In my humble opinion, horse hockey. It seems to me those who are taking these claims without doubt are relying on the left wing media for their news. That's a shame. The left went on and on how what Clinton did sexully was his business and had nothing to do with how he handled the country. Or that he lied under oath while Pres. They also went on about Obama being so wonderful and smart, but no one has seen his college records or questioned his admitting to using coke in college? If Cain had been arrested for something and we could read the transcripts I might put some merit to these allegations, but no one has come out and said he has done anything other than tell some women she was short, and perhaps ask a women to speak to him in private. Come on. Think for yourself. Do some research.

RunningOnMT · 11-04-2011, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

There isnt one single qualified candidate in the whole bunch,

Sure there is...Michele Bachman, Ron Paul, or Rick Santorum. Take your pick.

Songman · 11-04-2011, 04:59 PM

I like Ron Paul... except that he would leave us totally defenseless if he was President. I like a lot of what he stands for... but then again, he comes off as the Republican version of Howard Dean. He sometimes sounds a little crazy when he talks and it turns people off.

Michele Bachman has some good ideas.. But in the debates, she herself told how ineffective she was at getting those ideas into play. Over and over she talked about how she was the only one who did this, or the only one who did that. I didn't check all of her points, but I know we have to have someone who can convince enough people to stand with them. Apparently that is not Bachman.

And I like Rick Santorum. I like what he stands for. But he spends more time talking about how he can't get the national media that the others get than he does talking about his platform. Maybe he is too young yet. I don't know. But he doesn't seem to me that he can lead. He can bring good ideas, for sure.. But we need someone who can force them through.

Double D · 11-04-2011, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

Sure there is...Michele Bachman, Ron Paul, or Rick Santorum. Take your pick.

I will take bachman out of the three.

bamajoey · 11-04-2011, 06:25 PM

I'd take my cat over the squatter in the White House now. I don't care who runs on the Republican ticket, they CANNOT be as bad as what we have now.

permafrost · 11-04-2011, 07:26 PM

I think they see him as a rising star, that the people are starting to listen to. Can't have that! Anything and everything goes in this game . Character assassination is just the beginning. There is absolutely nothing these people will not do to win. I'm sure somewhere there is a small kernel of truth here that has been spun up to the nth degree in a peremptory strike against an up and comer. They'll do the same to any potential threat with the help of the MSM. This attack means they fear him.

Maximilian II · 11-04-2011, 07:32 PM

I don't care what gets done in the sack, what matters in selecting a public servant is what gets done on the job!

obxned · 11-04-2011, 08:07 PM

Get a clue - the left needs to stop him at any cost by any means. Before you condemn, wait for the facts!

langenc · 11-04-2011, 09:04 PM

What about Newt?? Probably the best qualified of the bunch.

Songman · 11-04-2011, 09:07 PM

I'd vote for Newt in a heartbeat but I think these Gen Xers have done their job. He is branded as 'Old DC' and makes too much sense for them to understand it. Some people still believe Obama's constant blaming of Bush and these people would see Newt as a continuation of Bush.

permafrost · 11-05-2011, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Songman

I'd vote for Newt in a heartbeat but I think these Gen Xers have done their job. He is branded as 'Old DC' and makes too much sense for them to understand it. Some people still believe Obama's constant blaming of Bush and these people would see Newt as a continuation of Bush.

I have to agree. Newt is hands down my favorite. I just think to much damage has been done to him in the past for him to be able to get enough votes across the wide cross-section of voters needed, for the win.

carver · 11-05-2011, 09:26 AM

What I don't understand is that the case against Cain for sexual abuse was settled back in '97! The Resturant Asso. awarded money to this so called victim (I say so called because there was never a trial), to shut up, and go away. She took their money, and signed an agreement. Now here we are 13 years later, and suddenly it's important again! So contracts mean nothing, promises mean nothing, setteling for money means nothing! Did Herman Cain sexually abuse this woman thirteen years ago? I don't know, what I do know is that she took money to shut up, and go away, and she hasn't! Who is she? Don't know, but IMHO she needs to go to jail for breach of contract! An anonymous person can file calims against you, and being anonymous, you can not defend yourself, is that what justice in America has come down to?

AL MOUNT · 11-05-2011, 09:31 AM

Don't count Cain out yet,
He's a pretty tuff ole bird

ofitg · 11-05-2011, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by permafrost

I have to agree. Newt is hands down my favorite. I just think to much damage has been done to him in the past for him to be able to get enough votes across the wide cross-section of voters needed, for the win.

I think it's way too early to make any predictions. Huckabee won the Iowa Caucus in January 2008, McCain took fourth place..... in September 2008, McCain got the nomination.

There's still plenty of time left for George Soros and the Council on Foreign Relations to maneuver their man into the leading position.

Old Grump · 11-05-2011, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Willie

I look for Herm to drop out soon. Two harrassment cases paid off and now a third that wants to talk about what he did, the guy talking about said if she talks Cain would have to quit. Of course he denies it but as head of the resturant assoc do you suppose he just made a small mistake 3x or was he screwing all the women he could? Sort of like the fox in the henhouse. How many food service workers could resist sex with the head of the assoc at conventions? Some just for fun but some might have thought they could advance thier career by having sex with Cain. Cain of a 42 year marriage. Cain who has a wife not taking part in his campaign. And if he did nothing why not stand up and refuse to pay women hush money? Kind of like Michael Jackson, paying millions to keep people quiet. All he needs now is a woman to admit having sex with him and the dam might break. looks like to me just another powerful man who thinks he deserves all the sex he can get. Rules don't apply to men like this. On the other hand maybe he will fit right in with the Washington elite. If he can learn how to text pics. Say what you want about Obama and Perry and Romney etc but they have not been outed like Cain has.

Rahm Emmanuel of Chicago and Rick Perry's staff leaked the info about the alleged harassment but come up with no names or specific instances. Much smoke, no fire. Obama used the same tactic to get his Senate seat in Illinois and Rahm is his man. Suspicious nay, if Politico says its so even if they provide no proof it must be so. Yup, sure, you betcha.

Songman · 11-05-2011, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ofitg

I think it's way too early to make any predictions. Huckabee won the Iowa Caucus in January 2008, McCain took fourth place..... in September 2008, McCain got the nomination.

There's still plenty of time left for George Soros and the Council on Foreign Relations to maneuver their man into the leading position.

Who is Soros' man?

ofitg · 11-05-2011, 10:42 AM

The CFR membership roster is available online - http://www.cfr.org/about/membership/....html?letter=S - but it may or may not be complete. It definitely does not include former members.

Songman · 11-05-2011, 10:55 AM

I guess I am lost... I assume you are calling Newt Soros' man... Just because he is a member of the same organization? There are 5000 members of the CFR. I'm sure not all of them are in cahoots. I'm a member of the NRA but don't agree with everything they do. I think this one is a bit of a stretch. Gingrich is a Reagan Republican.. which goes against everything Soros stands for. If there is something more than a common membership that I am missing, I would love to learn.

11-04-2011, 12:58 PM	#1
Willie Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Galveston,TX Contributor Posts: 1,002	Cain Is Done! I look for Herm to drop out soon. Two harrassment cases paid off and now a third that wants to talk about what he did, the guy talking about said if she talks Cain would have to quit. Of course he denies it but as head of the resturant assoc do you suppose he just made a small mistake 3x or was he screwing all the women he could? Sort of like the fox in the henhouse. How many food service workers could resist sex with the head of the assoc at conventions? Some just for fun but some might have thought they could advance thier career by having sex with Cain. Cain of a 42 year marriage. Cain who has a wife not taking part in his campaign. And if he did nothing why not stand up and refuse to pay women hush money? Kind of like Michael Jackson, paying millions to keep people quiet. All he needs now is a woman to admit having sex with him and the dam might break. looks like to me just another powerful man who thinks he deserves all the sex he can get. Rules don't apply to men like this. On the other hand maybe he will fit right in with the Washington elite. If he can learn how to text pics. Say what you want about Obama and Perry and Romney etc but they have not been outed like Cain has. __________________ Willie West End Electric Galveston Electricians -->

11-04-2011, 01:14 PM	#2
Songman V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Houston, TX Contributor Posts: 272	Re: Cain Is Done! He probably is.. Because people are more worried about who a man screws than what he can do for this country. I'm not saying I agree with adultery. I am a man who values character and believes in the sanctity of marriage (a reason why I think it should be protected). What Herman Cain does within his own life is between him, his wife, and his God. The same as what Bill Clinton did... I don't care that he got BJs from an intern. That is between him, Hillary, and God... I do care that he stood up there and lied to me about it. He should have been like JFK when he was asked about Marilyn and said it was none of anyone's business because it was his personal life. And I think I will hold up the crucifixion anyway.. Blame does not constitute guilt in this country. Even if blamed more than once. When I first heard that a woman had come forth about Cain, my first thought was that the Democrats were scared of him and dug around to see what they could find to discredit him. I mean, that is their tactic. Ask Joe the plumber. Thank goodness this country is more than that and has laws to protect people. They are given the right to be held innocent until proven guilty. But I guess that doesn't apply to the jury of the mind. It seems that Herman Cain is already guilty... as is Michael Jackson. In both cases, I think they made great targets.

11-04-2011, 01:38 PM	#3
tcox4freedom Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: South Carolina USA Posts: 944	Re: Cain Is Done! More & more it is appearing that all this was nothing but an attempt to destroy him. These allegations seam to be nothing more than baseless lies. So, I wouldn't count him out just yet.

11-04-2011, 01:51 PM	#4
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: Cain Is Done! Forgetting his sex life and personal conduct I just can't see how anyone could take him seriously as a presidential candidate. He is obviously winging it when interviewed. He has a plan for everything which he makes up on the spot. That might fool the restaurant community but no one with any experience reading through BS. __________________ "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!"

11-04-2011, 02:03 PM	#5
Songman V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Houston, TX Contributor Posts: 272	Re: Cain Is Done! Are you forgetting who inhabits the White House right now? How did anyone take the Community Organizer with no birth certificate and ties to ACORN and just about every other America hater seriously either. But still here he is, ruining our country. No, I don't think 9-9-9 is a good idea. Some Liberal a few years back suggested to me that he thought a 10% across the board tax would be a good idea. I said "Go for it! Every wealthy person in America will love you for it since they are paying substantially more than that! And the poor people will still be unhappy because it benefits the rich more than it does them." But at least it is something. No one else offers any idea at all.

11-04-2011, 02:16 PM	#6
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,085	Re: Cain Is Done! I would wager that these claims are completely bogus and are designed to destroy him because he was gaining ground. Romboma is a slickster and perry doesnt like being in the position hes in so, we shall see. If they find out its a fabrication from either of the other campaigns, they should disqualify them and press charges. The romney / perry school boy nonsense needs to go away anyhow. There isnt one single qualified candidate in the whole bunch, but, I would take any of their half brothers to get bozo out of there. Where is our leader? Cant someone step forward and take charge? __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

11-04-2011, 03:59 PM	#7
Caneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,276	Re: Cain Is Done! this all reminds me of the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings from the testimony of Anita whats-her-name: "he put a pubic hair on top of my coke can"... my guess is that this is just GOP establishment dirty tricks...

11-04-2011, 04:15 PM	#8
jstgsn Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Milford, Delaware Contributor Posts: 1,277	Re: Cain Is Done! In my humble opinion, horse hockey. It seems to me those who are taking these claims without doubt are relying on the left wing media for their news. That's a shame. The left went on and on how what Clinton did sexully was his business and had nothing to do with how he handled the country. Or that he lied under oath while Pres. They also went on about Obama being so wonderful and smart, but no one has seen his college records or questioned his admitting to using coke in college? If Cain had been arrested for something and we could read the transcripts I might put some merit to these allegations, but no one has come out and said he has done anything other than tell some women she was short, and perhaps ask a women to speak to him in private. Come on. Think for yourself. Do some research. __________________ Don’t pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he will just kill you.

11-04-2011, 04:59 PM	#10
Songman V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Houston, TX Contributor Posts: 272	Re: Cain Is Done! I like Ron Paul... except that he would leave us totally defenseless if he was President. I like a lot of what he stands for... but then again, he comes off as the Republican version of Howard Dean. He sometimes sounds a little crazy when he talks and it turns people off. Michele Bachman has some good ideas.. But in the debates, she herself told how ineffective she was at getting those ideas into play. Over and over she talked about how she was the only one who did this, or the only one who did that. I didn't check all of her points, but I know we have to have someone who can convince enough people to stand with them. Apparently that is not Bachman. And I like Rick Santorum. I like what he stands for. But he spends more time talking about how he can't get the national media that the others get than he does talking about his platform. Maybe he is too young yet. I don't know. But he doesn't seem to me that he can lead. He can bring good ideas, for sure.. But we need someone who can force them through.

11-04-2011, 06:25 PM	#12
bamajoey Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Pensacola Contributor Posts: 1,260	Re: Cain Is Done! I'd take my cat over the squatter in the White House now. I don't care who runs on the Republican ticket, they CANNOT be as bad as what we have now.

11-04-2011, 07:26 PM	#13
permafrost Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Oklahoma, USA Contributor Posts: 1,771	Re: Cain Is Done! I think they see him as a rising star, that the people are starting to listen to. Can't have that! Anything and everything goes in this game . Character assassination is just the beginning. There is absolutely nothing these people will not do to win. I'm sure somewhere there is a small kernel of truth here that has been spun up to the nth degree in a peremptory strike against an up and comer. They'll do the same to any potential threat with the help of the MSM. This attack means they fear him. __________________ Stand and Fight

11-04-2011, 07:32 PM	#14
Maximilian II Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Northwest GA Posts: 1,381	Re: Cain Is Done! I don't care what gets done in the sack, what matters in selecting a public servant is what gets done on the job! __________________ Karma is just justice, without the satisfaction. And I don't believe in justice. -Joe Sarno, bagman.

11-04-2011, 08:07 PM	#15
obxned Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,342	Re: Cain Is Done! Get a clue - the left needs to stop him at any cost by any means. Before you condemn, wait for the facts! __________________ Proud member of a North Carolina Committee of Safety "If we loose Freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the Last Stand on Earth!" Ronald Reagan

11-04-2011, 09:04 PM	#16
langenc V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Montmorency Co, MI Posts: 418	Re: Cain Is Done! What about Newt?? Probably the best qualified of the bunch.

11-04-2011, 09:07 PM	#17
Songman V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Houston, TX Contributor Posts: 272	Re: Cain Is Done! I'd vote for Newt in a heartbeat but I think these Gen Xers have done their job. He is branded as 'Old DC' and makes too much sense for them to understand it. Some people still believe Obama's constant blaming of Bush and these people would see Newt as a continuation of Bush.

11-05-2011, 09:26 AM	#19
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,288	Re: Cain Is Done! What I don't understand is that the case against Cain for sexual abuse was settled back in '97! The Resturant Asso. awarded money to this so called victim (I say so called because there was never a trial), to shut up, and go away. She took their money, and signed an agreement. Now here we are 13 years later, and suddenly it's important again! So contracts mean nothing, promises mean nothing, setteling for money means nothing! Did Herman Cain sexually abuse this woman thirteen years ago? I don't know, what I do know is that she took money to shut up, and go away, and she hasn't! Who is she? Don't know, but IMHO she needs to go to jail for breach of contract! An anonymous person can file calims against you, and being anonymous, you can not defend yourself, is that what justice in America has come down to? __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

11-05-2011, 09:31 AM	#20
AL MOUNT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cleaning my Thompson in The Foothills of the Ozark Mountains Posts: 3,108	Re: Cain Is Done! Don't count Cain out yet, He's a pretty tuff ole bird __________________ 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment 101st Airborne Division Vietnam 67-68

11-05-2011, 10:42 AM	#24
ofitg Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Contributor Posts: 1,447	Re: Cain Is Done! The CFR membership roster is available online - http://www.cfr.org/about/membership/....html?letter=S - but it may or may not be complete. It definitely does not include former members.

11-05-2011, 10:55 AM	#25
Songman V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Houston, TX Contributor Posts: 272	Re: Cain Is Done! I guess I am lost... I assume you are calling Newt Soros' man... Just because he is a member of the same organization? There are 5000 members of the CFR. I'm sure not all of them are in cahoots. I'm a member of the NRA but don't agree with everything they do. I think this one is a bit of a stretch. Gingrich is a Reagan Republican.. which goes against everything Soros stands for. If there is something more than a common membership that I am missing, I would love to learn.