poll-What to do in Iraq - The Firearms Forum

Bruce FLinch · 02-24-2007, 05:09 PM

I am getting bummed about Iraq. Don't see lots of options. Tell me what you think.

Shooter973 · 02-24-2007, 05:19 PM

Fight them over there!! Run and they will follow us right back here!!
Just don't tie the hands of our troops behind their backs... let them do what ever it takes to win. It's still in our best interest to win this. Otherwise we will be looked upon as "fair weather friends".

Pistolenschutze · 02-24-2007, 05:34 PM

Like many, I think we've gotten ourselves into a whale of a mess in Iraq and much of that is due to mistakes we ourselves have made between the initial invasion and the present. Nonetheless, I think pulling out now would be a grave error in the long run. Essentially, we've committed the prestige and honor of the United States and its allies to ridding the world of what I truly believe was and is a grave threat to peace. I say, finish the job, but quit trying to do it "on the cheap." Commit the forces and equipment needed to win decisively, then get the hell out.

AL MOUNT · 02-24-2007, 05:42 PM

Need many many more 50 Cal. snipers......

1. We need to put them "72 Virgins" on BACK ORDER........

2. Send Sara Brady & Nancy Pelosi to confiscate all their guns.

3. Send John Kerry to show them the meaning of bravery....

4. Send Johm Murtha to show them how tough old Marines officers are.....

5. Send Jimmy Carter to show them what happens when liberal past presidents get senile....

6. Send Ophra Winfrey, but she will only help black muslims.......

7. Send Al Gore, honestly, at least he'll give them 1.5 gal. mini 2 flush toilets

which has got to be better than using yer left hand.....

rosierita · 02-24-2007, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shooter973

Fight them over there!! Run and they will follow us right back here!!
Just don't tie the hands of our troops behind their backs... let them do what ever it takes to win. It's still in our best interest to win this. Otherwise we will be looked upon as "fair weather friends".

well said, get the media out of iraq, shut the libs out of the equasion & turn our guys loose. we dont need to know how they handle business, just turn em loose & let em handle business!

White Hawk · 02-24-2007, 06:10 PM

Pelosi, Murtha & Co. are pursuing retreat (regardless of the consequences) as if there was something to be gained by it. Dubya comes up with ideas to win, and they fight to keep them from being implemented. Just think if they would put up that much fight against Islamic terrorism!

It's quite obvious that defeat is all the Left wants for America, our military, and this president. Defeat for the sake of defeat, in fact. They will do everything they can to undermine our troops, then tell the president "See? We told we couldn't win!"

On the other end is the handling of the war so far. The change in tactics mentioned earlier brought to light some serious flaws. Sadr City is no longer off limits? What the **** was it doing off-limits in the first place?!? Securing the border to Iran and Syria? What were they waiting for?!? And this whole business of political favors needs to go away. Someone gets arrested by U.S. or Iraqi troops for being a suspected terrorist, and it turns out the guy's uncle is in the Iraqi parliament. So when the uncle wants his nephew released, of course we comply in the interest of diplomacy or whatever. And this business of dropping everything to bring in the Johnny Cochrans every time a claim is made against U.S. troops has got to be brought under control too. It's a war, not a protest march!

No wonder the war is still going on...

Put me down for the last one.

Marlin T · 02-24-2007, 06:24 PM

WIN

winning should be the top priority!

17thfabn · 02-24-2007, 06:30 PM

Stay the course is the WORST option, what we did in the past has not worked. We must try something else. We all know the old saying, "The definiton of insanity is trying the same thing over and over, and expecting different results."

I'm starting to lean towards partition of Iraq into three regions, Kurdish, Shiite, and Sunni. Of course this has problems of it's own. Some areas such as Bagdad are very mixed. But some times when peoples can't get along it is time to seperate.

I am all for giving the troops all that they need. But some one has to evaluate what can we truly hope to achieve over there. Is Iraq able to form a stabel democratic republic?

At some point the Iraqis have to take over. A time line for our forces exit, or at least large draw down in forces would force the Iraqis to take the burden of their own defense seriously.

johnston3407 · 02-24-2007, 06:56 PM

I agree with 973 and Pistol, Al Mount has & goog points, Rosierita is right about the media and the LIBS. Ditto's to White Hawk, Marlin T and 17th to be sure. We need to untie their hands and let them do what they do best. We ALMOST did it earlier. Pick the worst city or area and clear every one OUT. This time after everyone's out level it. I mean LEVEL IT. Then, find out where the bad guys go (it wont be hard) and do the same thing. The people will figure out if they don't do something it will happen again. Let them take care of the bad guys. It will never happen because it takes "BALLS" and no one in D.C. has any. I think our military could mop this thing up in six months if we just left them alone, and gave them what they need.

berto64 · 02-24-2007, 07:08 PM

We cannot stay the course because it's not working.

Get the politicians to let the generals fight the battles the way they know how & turn'em loose in Iraq!

When you are fighting fanatics you have to think & fight just like them to exterminate them. Yes, I said exterminate them. That is the only way to defeat these vermin.

satellite66 · 02-24-2007, 07:18 PM

I stay the course might not have been the proper way to state it for the poll. It seems that most don't want us to cut and run but to find a way to win. I think if the left in this country joined in finding a way to win instead of merely finding a way to defeat Bush we would be much better off.
You win by breaking the backs of those your fighting. We are not fighting to win. I agree turn the military loose and let the cards fall where they may. We should own Iraq by now. Perhaps that would be the best course. Annex it and make it a territory.
We need to do in Iraq what we need to do here. Seal the borders and clean house.

smallblock · 02-24-2007, 08:30 PM

I like closing the boarders and kicking the --it out of them.

seward · 02-24-2007, 08:35 PM

Either take James Baker's advise, or reinstate the draft, OR:

Offer amnesty to all of America's prison population of one million +, if they will agree to accept one-way tickets to Iraq. Give them each M-16s (or whatever they're called these days) and two thousand rounds, and pull out U.S. troops. Would that would work ????

Marlin · 02-24-2007, 09:11 PM

I agree with both Pistol and Berto.

The bottom line is to get the politicians out of the formula and then turn the military loose to fight it as they see fit. At the same time, give the military ALL IT NEEDS to get the job done, after which we can leave.

Light Coat · 02-24-2007, 09:54 PM

You really want to know what the squirrel in my skulll is thinking?? Suspend their governament and their rights for about 6 months. Allow the military a free hand to do as they wish with the population and their property. Allow mercenary forces to operate outside the regular military and "observe" for us. When Iran suddenly slides into the ocean the job is done.

PS, issue lots of bayonets and import lots of pork.

Bruce FLinch · 02-24-2007, 10:13 PM

Well People, I'm impressed. I posted this poll, not expecting the response I got , in just a few hours. I also got a little clarity from almost every answer. Now if we could just get the Govt' to do something in agreement. A small recap of various helpful answers.

Get the media out.
Get the Politicians out.
Give our Generals & Troops what they need to win.
Seal off the borders.
Force the Iraqi leadership to get off their butts.
Hire some Mercenaries.
Level a big area & pick off the Vermin.
Teach those Barbarians what a toilet & TP are for. ( good one Al! )

Pistolenschutze · 02-24-2007, 11:09 PM

Ya know, Bruce, if that advice had been followed in Vietnam, we might not have news photos of American helicopters evacuating our personnel from the roof of the American embassy in Saigon. Most important of all: GET THE BLOODY POLITICIANS OUT OF THE WAR!!!!!

click · 02-25-2007, 12:01 AM

Unlike past wars (not all)the Generals representing this country seem to wear political fatigues as the uniform of the day. It's getting so, that you can't tell the difference between them sometimes..............Can anyone here imagine a General George S. Patton, Douglas MacArthur or a General Lee for that matter, or any of our decorated military people in our past, that would use the kind of rhetoric todays military leaders seem to spit out over the airwaves? Let these guys do what they know how to do best & get the politics out of the equation!

berto64 · 02-25-2007, 12:34 AM

We had that type of General in Shwartskopf( or however it's spelled). One hell of a planner and a go-getter but Bush I pulled him in when he started heading for Bagdad.

He was the one person that was on his way to solving the whole mess and a danged Politician reined him in!

I'm trying to stay nice but bad words are flooding into my mind to describe these @#$%^&*() politicians.

That is ALL.

seward · 02-25-2007, 02:12 AM

Dump our penitentiery population on Iraq... This isn't practical & won't happen. Another alternative, is to bring back the DRAFT... this also, simply won't happen...

Victory would require 500,000 troops continuously for ten years and another 10,000 dead American troops.. (Or pick your own numbers).

Thanks to the goddurn Liberals.. or for whatever reason that also won't happen.
.Personally, I may well die at some point..due to living three kilometers from Wall Street...but I definitely won't be dying or working in Iraq.....& God Bless America... etc.

AL MOUNT · 02-25-2007, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seward

due to living three kilometers from Wall Street....

Whooa dude........

..... I am truly impressed.....

I"d be ferever beholden to ya if you could jog down to

Fox News & get some of them lovely ladies autograghs for me......

PS: Ask them to sign their picture...... "with love to Sgt. Mount" ......

PPS: Durn ...

.....down side is, if we have 911 Redux .......

now we all got somebody to worry about.....

seward · 02-25-2007, 04:44 PM

Can somebody tell me what we lost in Vietnam besides the war and lots of blood and treasure?

I'm not saying Iraq is the same situation...not least because we don't have the capability, apparently, to dump a half-million men there for four years..

berto64 · 02-25-2007, 05:04 PM

"besides the war and lots of blood and treasure?"

Are you suggesting that is not enough to lose, Seward?

Maybe it would affect you more if we had lost the Wall Street corrider to the width of 8 blocks for the length of the Financial District. Would that be closer to home for you?

What we lost in Vietnam was a generation of some of the finest young Americans alive at that time.

There are people alive today who never met their fathers because of what we lost in Vietnam.

To me the Vietnam war showed the world that America as a nation has lost the will to WIN because it might hurt the aggressors feelings.

I gotta quit now or I'm gonna get in trouble.

Pistolenschutze · 02-25-2007, 05:10 PM

Berto, like you, I ain't agonna say it like I feel it. I like it here on TFF too much. Let's just say I agree with you.

AL MOUNT · 02-25-2007, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seward

Can somebody tell me what we lost in Vietnam besides the war and lots of blood and treasure?

For openers......we knowingly & willingly let a country fall to Communism.....

And despite what Hollywood thinks...that is not a good thing...

Secondly we left a lot of our former allies in So. Vietnam defensless to be be butchered by the NVA......

Thirdly we lost our reputation of a country not afarid to fight & win....

And other than a lot of mine, berto64 & Pistolenschutze friends.......not much......

PS: seward...don't misunderstand, I'm not flaming you...

many other people have asked the very same question.

I was just trying to answer a question that has been asked for years...

View Poll Results: What to do w/ Iraq
Stay the course	15	46.88%
Cut & run	1	3.13%
Fund & train a counter-insurgency	8	25.00%
Your choice?	8	25.00%
Voters: 32. You may not vote on this poll

02-24-2007, 05:09 PM	#1
Bruce FLinch Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bay Point, Kali..aka Gun Point Posts: 5,016	poll-What to do in Iraq I am getting bummed about Iraq. Don't see lots of options. Tell me what you think. __________________ A bad day @ the Range, is better than a good day @ work. -->

02-24-2007, 05:19 PM	#2
Shooter973 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ogden, Utah Home of John M. Browning Posts: 96	Re: poll-What to do in Iraq Fight them over there!! Run and they will follow us right back here!! Just don't tie the hands of our troops behind their backs... let them do what ever it takes to win. It's still in our best interest to win this. Otherwise we will be looked upon as "fair weather friends". __________________ The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?

02-24-2007, 05:34 PM	#3
Pistolenschutze Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 13,094	Re: poll-What to do in Iraq Like many, I think we've gotten ourselves into a whale of a mess in Iraq and much of that is due to mistakes we ourselves have made between the initial invasion and the present. Nonetheless, I think pulling out now would be a grave error in the long run. Essentially, we've committed the prestige and honor of the United States and its allies to ridding the world of what I truly believe was and is a grave threat to peace. I say, finish the job, but quit trying to do it "on the cheap." Commit the forces and equipment needed to win decisively, then get the hell out. __________________ --Pistolenschutze (Pistol Shooter)

02-24-2007, 05:42 PM	#4
AL MOUNT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cleaning my Thompson in The Foothills of the Ozark Mountains Posts: 3,108	Re: poll-What to do in Iraq Need many many more 50 Cal. snipers...... 1. We need to put them "72 Virgins" on BACK ORDER........ 2. Send Sara Brady & Nancy Pelosi to confiscate all their guns. 3. Send John Kerry to show them the meaning of bravery.... 4. Send Johm Murtha to show them how tough old Marines officers are..... 5. Send Jimmy Carter to show them what happens when liberal past presidents get senile.... 6. Send Ophra Winfrey, but she will only help black muslims....... 7. Send Al Gore, honestly, at least he'll give them 1.5 gal. mini 2 flush toilets which has got to be better than using yer left hand..... __________________ 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment 101st Airborne Division Vietnam 67-68 Last edited by AL MOUNT; 02-24-2007 at 06:03 PM..

02-24-2007, 06:10 PM	#6
White Hawk V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 458	Re: poll-What to do in Iraq Pelosi, Murtha & Co. are pursuing retreat (regardless of the consequences) as if there was something to be gained by it. Dubya comes up with ideas to win, and they fight to keep them from being implemented. Just think if they would put up that much fight against Islamic terrorism! It's quite obvious that defeat is all the Left wants for America, our military, and this president. Defeat for the sake of defeat, in fact. They will do everything they can to undermine our troops, then tell the president "See? We told we couldn't win!" On the other end is the handling of the war so far. The change in tactics mentioned earlier brought to light some serious flaws. Sadr City is no longer off limits? What the **** was it doing off-limits in the first place?!? Securing the border to Iran and Syria? What were they waiting for?!? And this whole business of political favors needs to go away. Someone gets arrested by U.S. or Iraqi troops for being a suspected terrorist, and it turns out the guy's uncle is in the Iraqi parliament. So when the uncle wants his nephew released, of course we comply in the interest of diplomacy or whatever. And this business of dropping everything to bring in the Johnny Cochrans every time a claim is made against U.S. troops has got to be brought under control too. It's a war, not a protest march! No wonder the war is still going on... Put me down for the last one. __________________ Remember the good old days, when everything said "Made In Japan" on it? Last edited by White Hawk; 02-24-2007 at 06:14 PM..

02-24-2007, 06:24 PM	#7
Marlin T Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Mexico Posts: 7,857	Re: poll-What to do in Iraq WIN winning should be the top priority! __________________ "But the simple truth--born of experience--is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people." Judge Alex Kozinski - United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. - Thomas Paine Did you read todays GOOD shooting? >>>KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM <<<

02-24-2007, 06:30 PM	#8
17thfabn Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: North bank of the mighty Ohio River Posts: 847	Re: poll-What to do in Iraq Stay the course is the WORST option, what we did in the past has not worked. We must try something else. We all know the old saying, "The definiton of insanity is trying the same thing over and over, and expecting different results." I'm starting to lean towards partition of Iraq into three regions, Kurdish, Shiite, and Sunni. Of course this has problems of it's own. Some areas such as Bagdad are very mixed. But some times when peoples can't get along it is time to seperate. I am all for giving the troops all that they need. But some one has to evaluate what can we truly hope to achieve over there. Is Iraq able to form a stabel democratic republic? At some point the Iraqis have to take over. A time line for our forces exit, or at least large draw down in forces would force the Iraqis to take the burden of their own defense seriously. __________________ "Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world!" Albert Einstein "The opportunist thinks of me and today. The statesman thinks of us and tomorrow." Dwight D. Eisenhower, U.S. President & Five Star General. Rock and Roll forever, rap, hip hop and disco never!

02-24-2007, 06:56 PM	#9
johnston3407 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: South Coast of Mississippi Posts: 592	Re: poll-What to do in Iraq I agree with 973 and Pistol, Al Mount has & goog points, Rosierita is right about the media and the LIBS. Ditto's to White Hawk, Marlin T and 17th to be sure. We need to untie their hands and let them do what they do best. We ALMOST did it earlier. Pick the worst city or area and clear every one OUT. This time after everyone's out level it. I mean LEVEL IT. Then, find out where the bad guys go (it wont be hard) and do the same thing. The people will figure out if they don't do something it will happen again. Let them take care of the bad guys. It will never happen because it takes "BALLS" and no one in D.C. has any. I think our military could mop this thing up in six months if we just left them alone, and gave them what they need.

02-24-2007, 07:08 PM	#10
berto64 VMBB Admin Staff Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Owyhee County, Idaho Contributor Posts: 7,388	Re: poll-What to do in Iraq We cannot stay the course because it's not working. Get the politicians to let the generals fight the battles the way they know how & turn'em loose in Iraq! When you are fighting fanatics you have to think & fight just like them to exterminate them. Yes, I said exterminate them. That is the only way to defeat these vermin. __________________ Be who you are & say what you will, Those that matter won't mind and those that mind don't matter. I'm a bitter clinger, One Nation Under God.

02-24-2007, 07:18 PM	#11
satellite66 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Central NJ Posts: 2,068	Re: poll-What to do in Iraq I stay the course might not have been the proper way to state it for the poll. It seems that most don't want us to cut and run but to find a way to win. I think if the left in this country joined in finding a way to win instead of merely finding a way to defeat Bush we would be much better off. You win by breaking the backs of those your fighting. We are not fighting to win. I agree turn the military loose and let the cards fall where they may. We should own Iraq by now. Perhaps that would be the best course. Annex it and make it a territory. We need to do in Iraq what we need to do here. Seal the borders and clean house. __________________ “Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not” — Thomas Jefferson. "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

02-24-2007, 08:30 PM	#12
smallblock Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: michigan Posts: 37	Re: poll-What to do in Iraq I like closing the boarders and kicking the --it out of them.

02-24-2007, 08:35 PM	#13
seward Former Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 77	Re: poll-What to do in Iraq Either take James Baker's advise, or reinstate the draft, OR: Offer amnesty to all of America's prison population of one million +, if they will agree to accept one-way tickets to Iraq. Give them each M-16s (or whatever they're called these days) and two thousand rounds, and pull out U.S. troops. Would that would work ???? Last edited by seward; 02-24-2007 at 08:39 PM..

02-24-2007, 09:11 PM	#14
Marlin TFF Admin Staff Chief Counselor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: At SouthernMoss' side forever! Contributor Posts: 13,853	Re: poll-What to do in Iraq I agree with both Pistol and Berto. The bottom line is to get the politicians out of the formula and then turn the military loose to fight it as they see fit. At the same time, give the military ALL IT NEEDS to get the job done, after which we can leave. __________________ *The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing.* *The only criminal class native to the United States is Congress.*

02-24-2007, 09:54 PM	#15
Light Coat V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Middle of Nowhere, KS Posts: 466	Re: poll-What to do in Iraq You really want to know what the squirrel in my skulll is thinking?? Suspend their governament and their rights for about 6 months. Allow the military a free hand to do as they wish with the population and their property. Allow mercenary forces to operate outside the regular military and "observe" for us. When Iran suddenly slides into the ocean the job is done. PS, issue lots of bayonets and import lots of pork.

02-24-2007, 10:13 PM	#16
Bruce FLinch Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bay Point, Kali..aka Gun Point Posts: 5,016	Re: poll-What to do in Iraq Well People, I'm impressed. I posted this poll, not expecting the response I got , in just a few hours. I also got a little clarity from almost every answer. Now if we could just get the Govt' to do something in agreement. A small recap of various helpful answers. Get the media out. Get the Politicians out. Give our Generals & Troops what they need to win. Seal off the borders. Force the Iraqi leadership to get off their butts. Hire some Mercenaries. Level a big area & pick off the Vermin. Teach those Barbarians what a toilet & TP are for. ( good one Al! ) __________________ A bad day @ the Range, is better than a good day @ work. Last edited by Bruce FLinch; 02-24-2007 at 10:21 PM.. Reason: added text

02-24-2007, 11:09 PM	#17
Pistolenschutze Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 13,094	Re: poll-What to do in Iraq Ya know, Bruce, if that advice had been followed in Vietnam, we might not have news photos of American helicopters evacuating our personnel from the roof of the American embassy in Saigon. Most important of all: GET THE BLOODY POLITICIANS OUT OF THE WAR!!!!! __________________ --Pistolenschutze (Pistol Shooter)

02-25-2007, 12:01 AM	#18
click V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: usa Posts: 99	Re: poll-What to do in Iraq Unlike past wars (not all)the Generals representing this country seem to wear political fatigues as the uniform of the day. It's getting so, that you can't tell the difference between them sometimes..............Can anyone here imagine a General George S. Patton, Douglas MacArthur or a General Lee for that matter, or any of our decorated military people in our past, that would use the kind of rhetoric todays military leaders seem to spit out over the airwaves? Let these guys do what they know how to do best & get the politics out of the equation!

02-25-2007, 12:34 AM	#19
berto64 VMBB Admin Staff Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Owyhee County, Idaho Contributor Posts: 7,388	Re: poll-What to do in Iraq We had that type of General in Shwartskopf( or however it's spelled). One hell of a planner and a go-getter but Bush I pulled him in when he started heading for Bagdad. He was the one person that was on his way to solving the whole mess and a danged Politician reined him in! I'm trying to stay nice but bad words are flooding into my mind to describe these @#$%^&*() politicians. That is ALL. __________________ Be who you are & say what you will, Those that matter won't mind and those that mind don't matter. I'm a bitter clinger, One Nation Under God.

02-25-2007, 02:12 AM	#20
seward Former Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 77	Re: poll-What to do in Iraq Dump our penitentiery population on Iraq... This isn't practical & won't happen. Another alternative, is to bring back the DRAFT... this also, simply won't happen... Victory would require 500,000 troops continuously for ten years and another 10,000 dead American troops.. (Or pick your own numbers). Thanks to the goddurn Liberals.. or for whatever reason that also won't happen. .Personally, I may well die at some point..due to living three kilometers from Wall Street...but I definitely won't be dying or working in Iraq.....& God Bless America... etc.

02-25-2007, 04:44 PM	#22
seward Former Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 77	Re: poll-What to do in Iraq Can somebody tell me what we lost in Vietnam besides the war and lots of blood and treasure? I'm not saying Iraq is the same situation...not least because we don't have the capability, apparently, to dump a half-million men there for four years..

02-25-2007, 05:04 PM	#23
berto64 VMBB Admin Staff Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Owyhee County, Idaho Contributor Posts: 7,388	Re: poll-What to do in Iraq "besides the war and lots of blood and treasure?" Are you suggesting that is not enough to lose, Seward? Maybe it would affect you more if we had lost the Wall Street corrider to the width of 8 blocks for the length of the Financial District. Would that be closer to home for you? What we lost in Vietnam was a generation of some of the finest young Americans alive at that time. There are people alive today who never met their fathers because of what we lost in Vietnam. To me the Vietnam war showed the world that America as a nation has lost the will to WIN because it might hurt the aggressors feelings. I gotta quit now or I'm gonna get in trouble. __________________ Be who you are & say what you will, Those that matter won't mind and those that mind don't matter. I'm a bitter clinger, One Nation Under God.

02-25-2007, 05:10 PM	#24
Pistolenschutze Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 13,094	Re: poll-What to do in Iraq Berto, like you, I ain't agonna say it like I feel it. I like it here on TFF too much. Let's just say I agree with you. __________________ --Pistolenschutze (Pistol Shooter)