help with the batf - The Firearms Forum

bob1007 · 08-15-2003, 08:55 PM

CAN ANY ONE OUT THERE HELP WITH
A PROMBLEM WE"RE HAVING WITH BATF?
WE SENT THEM THEIR REQUIRED FORMS
AND FINGER PRINTS TO HAVE "FIREARM
PRIVIAGES RESTORED. [PERSON
COMMITTED MINOR FELONY 10 YEARS
AGO AND SERVED 120 DAYS IN JAIL]
NOW THE BATF SAYS THEY DONT HAVE THE BUDGET FUNDS TO DO ANY PAPER
WORK LIKE THIS.
ANY INFO TO FIX THIS PERSONS RECORD
WOULD BE A GOD SEND!!!
THANKS BOB1007

armedandsafe · 08-15-2003, 09:27 PM

The latest I heard about this situation is that the courts have ordered BATF to restore rights to some and the BATF is ignoring those court orders, claiming they don't have funding to do so. Check in with the 2nd Amendment Foundation and RKBA.
http://www.keepandbeararms.com

Pops

1952Sniper · 08-16-2003, 07:51 AM

That's a load of bull-puckey.

How much funding could it possibly take? All it requires is a few minutes on a computer.

armedandsafe · 08-16-2003, 11:33 PM

You are beginning to see clearly, my friend. Be careful about advertising that fact. You could find yourself declared a danger to your country. [/sarcasm]

Pops

JohnK3 · 08-18-2003, 12:25 PM

The issue is that Congress, after much crying of "Wolf" about the "guns for felons" program declared that, yes, the ATF was responsible for providing relief, but that they were allowed to spend NO budget on said relief efforts, whatsoever.

This has kept a gentleman, whose only "crime" was having a box of ammo under the seat of his car when he went to Mexico, from ever participating in shooting sports again. He was a successful gun-store owner and FFL holder who lost his rights to even own a gun, much less engage in his business, because of a law that even Mexico said was stupid and repealed because of his case. Everyone who has seriously looked at his case has said that he should have his rights restored, *including the ATF*, but because our wonderful Congress has forbidden the expenditure of any governement funds on relief investigations, he's forever out in the cold.

bob1007 · 08-19-2003, 07:41 PM

THANKS FOR ALL THE REPLYS!!!
DO YOU THINK WE ARE WASTING
TIME AND MONEY IF WE PUSH THE ISSUE
WITH THE ALMIGHTY BATF???
I FEEL SOME ONE HAS TO DO SOMETHING
ABOUT THIS ABUSE BUT WE ARE NOT
FUNDED AS WELL AS THEY ARE......
ANY RECOURSES OUT THERE???
THANKS AGAIN BOB

armedandsafe · 08-19-2003, 10:10 PM

This is an issue which should be pushed and pushed hard. If any government agency is allowed to ignore court orders without redress, it says the state of our freedom is ready for intensive care. In this case, the agency has been ORDERED by our hired hands (Congress) to ignore court orders.

It is time for the big clubs to come out.

Incidently, bob1007, shouting (ALL CAPS) is not necessary here on the forum. Thanks

Pops

1952Sniper · 08-20-2003, 07:19 AM

I would definitely not drop the issue. Sometimes if you push hard enough, they will do what you want just to get you to stop bugging them. Government workers are inherently lazy (don't anybody flame me for that, please), so you need to make it easier for them to just do what you're asking than to refuse.

It's kinda like training a horse. They will always go to their comfort zone. If you want a horse to do something, make it uncomfortable for him to NOT do what you're asking. That way, he learns that he will be most comfortable when he's doing what you want. The BATF is the same way.

You are well within your rights here. Press the issue.

08-20-2003, 01:40 PM

Is there a gun friendly congressman in the state who can help?

Welcome to TFF bob1007

Can you please turn off your caps. It makes your posts hard to read.

08-15-2003, 08:55 PM	#1
bob1007 Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 2	help with the batf CAN ANY ONE OUT THERE HELP WITH A PROMBLEM WE"RE HAVING WITH BATF? WE SENT THEM THEIR REQUIRED FORMS AND FINGER PRINTS TO HAVE "FIREARM PRIVIAGES RESTORED. [PERSON COMMITTED MINOR FELONY 10 YEARS AGO AND SERVED 120 DAYS IN JAIL] NOW THE BATF SAYS THEY DONT HAVE THE BUDGET FUNDS TO DO ANY PAPER WORK LIKE THIS. ANY INFO TO FIX THIS PERSONS RECORD WOULD BE A GOD SEND!!! THANKS BOB1007 -->

08-15-2003, 09:27 PM	#2
armedandsafe Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Moses Lake, WA Posts: 10,344	The latest I heard about this situation is that the courts have ordered BATF to restore rights to some and the BATF is ignoring those court orders, claiming they don't have funding to do so. Check in with the 2nd Amendment Foundation and RKBA. http://www.keepandbeararms.com Pops

08-16-2003, 07:51 AM	#3
1952Sniper Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 5,138	That's a load of bull-puckey. How much funding could it possibly take? All it requires is a few minutes on a computer.

08-16-2003, 11:33 PM	#4
armedandsafe Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Moses Lake, WA Posts: 10,344	You are beginning to see clearly, my friend. Be careful about advertising that fact. You could find yourself declared a danger to your country. [/sarcasm] Pops

08-18-2003, 12:25 PM	#5
JohnK3 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,636	The issue is that Congress, after much crying of "Wolf" about the "guns for felons" program declared that, yes, the ATF was responsible for providing relief, but that they were allowed to spend NO budget on said relief efforts, whatsoever. This has kept a gentleman, whose only "crime" was having a box of ammo under the seat of his car when he went to Mexico, from ever participating in shooting sports again. He was a successful gun-store owner and FFL holder who lost his rights to even own a gun, much less engage in his business, because of a law that even Mexico said was stupid and repealed because of his case. Everyone who has seriously looked at his case has said that he should have his rights restored, including the ATF, but because our wonderful Congress has forbidden the expenditure of any governement funds on relief investigations, he's forever out in the cold.

08-19-2003, 07:41 PM	#6
bob1007 Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 2	THANKS FOR ALL THE REPLYS!!! DO YOU THINK WE ARE WASTING TIME AND MONEY IF WE PUSH THE ISSUE WITH THE ALMIGHTY BATF??? I FEEL SOME ONE HAS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS ABUSE BUT WE ARE NOT FUNDED AS WELL AS THEY ARE...... ANY RECOURSES OUT THERE??? THANKS AGAIN BOB

08-19-2003, 10:10 PM	#7
armedandsafe Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Moses Lake, WA Posts: 10,344	This is an issue which should be pushed and pushed hard. If any government agency is allowed to ignore court orders without redress, it says the state of our freedom is ready for intensive care. In this case, the agency has been ORDERED by our hired hands (Congress) to ignore court orders. It is time for the big clubs to come out. Incidently, bob1007, shouting (ALL CAPS) is not necessary here on the forum. Thanks Pops

08-20-2003, 07:19 AM	#8
1952Sniper Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 5,138	I would definitely not drop the issue. Sometimes if you push hard enough, they will do what you want just to get you to stop bugging them. Government workers are inherently lazy (don't anybody flame me for that, please), so you need to make it easier for them to just do what you're asking than to refuse. It's kinda like training a horse. They will always go to their comfort zone. If you want a horse to do something, make it uncomfortable for him to NOT do what you're asking. That way, he learns that he will be most comfortable when he's doing what you want. The BATF is the same way. You are well within your rights here. Press the issue.

08-20-2003, 01:40 PM	#9
warpig Adnanced Senior Member Posts: n/a	Is there a gun friendly congressman in the state who can help? Welcome to TFF bob1007 Can you please turn off your caps. It makes your posts hard to read.