Hollywood and The Bullet Proof Dinosaurs - The Firearms Forum

45Auto · 10-02-2011, 02:42 PM

I watched a new Hollywood drama a few days ago, all about these folks in the far future going back in time to the age of the dinosaurs. It was a fun show, However, I found it curious how many rounds of ammunition these folks shot at a T Rex without effect. It reminded me of other movies. Some years ago in a different movie, there was a T Rex wondering around Los Angelus eating people and not responding to bullets. What the heck is it about Hollywood Dinosaurs? Do you suppose if there were any real T Rex's around that they would be impervious to small arms fire?

So, what do you think folks? What would you use to shoot a T Rex?

H-D · 10-02-2011, 02:59 PM

.416 rigby or 50 bmg maybe a .700 nitro express might do it but I wouldn't expect much from pistols or small caliber rifles, at least if my life was on the line the .577 TRex is aptly named maybe it would kill it

you wouldn't catch me shootin' at TRex with an m4 or some 9mm

rcairflr · 10-02-2011, 04:02 PM

"Terra Nova". Seemed like it will be a pretty good show.

Anyway, if it was real life and it only took one well placed round to kill a dinosaur, there wouldn't be any excitement.

45Auto · 10-02-2011, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rcairflr

"Terra Nova". Seemed like it will be a pretty good show.

Anyway, if it was real life and it only took one well placed round to kill a dinosaur, there wouldn't be any excitement.

You nailed it, Drama!

In real life, what are they using in Australia to kill the big crocks? If one of those things was rushing for me I'd want something effective. .500 S&W? 12 ga slug?

Brisk44 · 10-02-2011, 04:23 PM

12 guage slug I think would do the job on one of those crocs quite nicely.

Chinook · 10-02-2011, 04:49 PM

I think skin thickness, and density, as well as the sheer mass of a T-Rex is our limiting factor. Ideally there would be a small fleet of folks with 12 gauge slugs in their high capacity tube shooters, to essentially "soften 'im up a bit." This'll create a cavity for our next group of shooters to fill up with lead. They might be our .223/5.56, or .243/.270 win. (small, fast, destructive) guys, the North American Big Game hunter crowd covering the .30 cal/7mil+(large, fast, destructive) variety, and then theres the "nitro" loads from a variety of collectors. Like the .416 Rigby, or .458 LOTT. These are the ones that I would wanna use if we were shoulder firing rifles at Dinosaurs... "Karamojo" Bell, the famous African hunter used to hunt everything with a .264 cal jacketed solid, or a 6.5x55. He also used to thread brain shots on pissed of animals at 2-20 yds. So that kind of defeats the purpose of needing stopping power...but still, he proved that you can drop a charging Elephant with realtively TINY, solid rounds, in front of HEAVY loads. They did the job, when used properly.

The Duke · 10-02-2011, 05:01 PM

Damn....I sold my .458W a couple years ago...I knew I shouldnt have done that...What will I do now if a T-Rex starts rooting my garden???

Alpo · 10-02-2011, 05:14 PM

I remember a Capstick story, some years back. Crocodile. He was asked to come shoot it, as it was eating too many villagers.

So he toddles over to the river, and there this 15 or 16 foot crocodile is, layin' up on the bank. Pete shot it. Top of its head just kinda disintegrates. So, what's he do? Shoots it again. He was quoted as saying that them 500 Nitro bullets ran around 7 dollars each, but that was much cheaper than a hospital stay, and he always shot dangerous animals more than he thought they needed.

Croc is laying there on the bank. Deader'n hell. Then it gets up off its belly and starts down the bank t'wards the river. He shoots it again. Now it's dead.

Then it gets up and starts down the bank again. Shoot it again. NOW it's dead. They watch for a while. Yep, it's dead. Couple of the villagers go grab it by the tail and drag it farther up the bank. No reaction. Dead.

They go to have tea. When they come back, they find a buzzard in the croc's mouth. Buzzard seemed to have landed for lunch, and the croc weren't quite dead, yet.

Shot it again.

Them big lizards is much harder to kill than big mammals.

carver · 10-02-2011, 05:55 PM

Penetration would be the problem. Getting the bullet to the vital organs. I'm thinking 50BMG, with armor piercing rounds.

jack404 · 10-02-2011, 05:57 PM

when in africa there was not a elephant safe cause of the AK's and HK's getting about , i think a AK would sort a T Rex

Gun Geezer · 10-02-2011, 08:27 PM

I remember from dinosaur 101 that many dinosaur's had a brain no larger than a pea. In fact, some had a second brain in their tail to help control such large bodies. That, together with thick skin and dense bones would probably result in a very difficult creature to kill. Vital hits would be a matter of luck and it would take quite a while for one of them to bleed out. A bazooka comes to mind as a weapon of choice.

jack404 · 10-02-2011, 09:00 PM

balistics 101 shows that it aint what you hit but the shock imparted to the target that does the killing , yes brain shots are best , but a brain shot is doable without hitting the actual brain , the shock imparted by the round to the skull is often enough to do the job

give me a SLR ( FN/FAL) and a big clear paddock and drop in a t rex , i know who'd i'd getting the BBQ ready for ..

3-4 rounds mid chest would stop a whale

2-3 head shots that dont hit the brain should be enough if they dont glance off

bone is not as dense or as strong as some good timbers

i dont know any timber strong enough to hold back a 7.62mm NATO round in thickness less than 6"

its all flesh after that

armoredman · 10-02-2011, 09:00 PM

GAU8A would be my personal choice...Hey, if I go outside of reality so far as to meet a T-Rex, I can just reach out and grab an A-10, too!

herohog · 10-02-2011, 09:23 PM

.303 Lee Enfield for the win! They have killed thousands of elephants and big game!

Claudius Valarium · 10-02-2011, 09:30 PM

Everybody knows that the T-Rex cannot be killed. He has to come back for sequels. Time to dust off Mothra.

jack404 · 10-02-2011, 09:35 PM

sure they can be killed , but they always leave a batch of egg's behind...

obxned · 10-02-2011, 10:40 PM

The little 7x57 Mauser round probably killed more elephants than any other cartridge, and the skulls of elephants are thicker and more heavily constructed than a T. Rex. Shot placement is the key.

However, if one iwere charging, I would want an RPG.

jstgsn · 10-03-2011, 06:36 AM

Hollywood has given us the endless shooting 2 inch revolver, the handgun bullet that causes cars to explode, a method to shoot around people, and countless other little oddities. The liberals who make up the majority of movie makers have no desire to deal in reality which is why most movies aren't worth the time it takes to wach them. Even their fantasies have to prove some liberal point of view. Look at all the remakes of old classics. Hollywood doesn't have a fresh idea about anything.

Juker · 10-03-2011, 08:51 AM

We also watched 'Terra Nova' and enjoyed it.

But I had to wonder - obviously the weapons, vehicles, medical supplies, power grid, ammo, etc. were sent back through the time machine.

Why don't they send through bigger guns, instead of wasting so much ammo?

Why not an Abrams and a couple of Blackhawks?

Ah, Hollywood....

carver · 10-03-2011, 08:56 AM

And that is why I won't watch that show, it's dumb! If these folks came from the future to the past to start up a human colony, wouldn't they know the problems they would face? If so, why are they so unprepared? Surely, if they can build a time machine to get people into the past, they should be able to build better weapons! Besides, the major problem in this scenario is that man is of a fallen nature. No matter where he goes, or what he does, he is a killer!

whirley · 10-03-2011, 09:43 AM

Saw a TV show about people in Louisiana shooting crocks for their hides. They used .22 long rifle cartridges. One trapper/hunter said there was one spot that would hit the croc brain and kill it . If you missed things could get exciing.

carver · 10-03-2011, 09:50 AM

.22's are about the only caliber used, either in pistol, or rifle, for the taking of 'gators, just about anywhere in the state.

steve666 · 10-03-2011, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by carver

Penetration would be the problem. Getting the bullet to the vital organs. I'm thinking 50BMG, with armor piercing rounds.

Penetration is only half of the problem. The other half is that for a brain shot you have a very small target and the nervous system on some of the dinosaurs was so slow that it would take them a week to realize that they had been shot.

Old Grump · 10-03-2011, 02:38 PM

Not knowing the physiology of a dinosaur I wouldn't count on a CNS shot to put one down. ft/lbs of shock won't mean much either, you need a big enough hole or holes to make his blood pressure drop by at least a third to make sure he is down. If there is no bleeding his little brain keeps getting oxygen and he keeps go8ng. If he wasn't hardy they wouldn't have been able to survive million of years after chewing each other up. Large hole and deep penetration should do it just fine.

Maw, hand me my 12 gauge and that case of slugs please.

Magazine fed shotgun would be desirable for quick reloading and forget that 0 and 00 stuff, we need large hunks of lead.

Problem with T-Rex .577 rifle is who is going to shoot it? A couple or three shots and you are done for the day, with a 12 gauge most people would be just warming up after the 3rd shot.

gcalloway · 10-03-2011, 04:25 PM

if we are going back in time to kill dinasours take a ray gun.

10-02-2011, 02:42 PM	#1
45Auto Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,124	Hollywood and The Bullet Proof Dinosaurs I watched a new Hollywood drama a few days ago, all about these folks in the far future going back in time to the age of the dinosaurs. It was a fun show, However, I found it curious how many rounds of ammunition these folks shot at a T Rex without effect. It reminded me of other movies. Some years ago in a different movie, there was a T Rex wondering around Los Angelus eating people and not responding to bullets. What the heck is it about Hollywood Dinosaurs? Do you suppose if there were any real T Rex's around that they would be impervious to small arms fire? So, what do you think folks? What would you use to shoot a T Rex? --> Last edited by 45Auto; 10-02-2011 at 02:45 PM..

10-02-2011, 02:59 PM	#2
H-D Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Mississippi Posts: 1,334	Re: Hollywood and The Bullet Proof Dinosaurs .416 rigby or 50 bmg maybe a .700 nitro express might do it but I wouldn't expect much from pistols or small caliber rifles, at least if my life was on the line the .577 TRex is aptly named maybe it would kill it you wouldn't catch me shootin' at TRex with an m4 or some 9mm __________________ And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Revelation 19:11

10-02-2011, 04:02 PM	#3
rcairflr Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Wichita, Ks Posts: 1,348	Re: Hollywood and The Bullet Proof Dinosaurs "Terra Nova". Seemed like it will be a pretty good show. Anyway, if it was real life and it only took one well placed round to kill a dinosaur, there wouldn't be any excitement.

10-02-2011, 04:23 PM	#5
Brisk44 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Iowa Contributor Posts: 1,747	Re: Hollywood and The Bullet Proof Dinosaurs 12 guage slug I think would do the job on one of those crocs quite nicely.

10-02-2011, 04:49 PM	#6
Chinook V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: 17 pulls, into the propwash... Contributor Posts: 423	Re: Hollywood and The Bullet Proof Dinosaurs I think skin thickness, and density, as well as the sheer mass of a T-Rex is our limiting factor. Ideally there would be a small fleet of folks with 12 gauge slugs in their high capacity tube shooters, to essentially "soften 'im up a bit." This'll create a cavity for our next group of shooters to fill up with lead. They might be our .223/5.56, or .243/.270 win. (small, fast, destructive) guys, the North American Big Game hunter crowd covering the .30 cal/7mil+(large, fast, destructive) variety, and then theres the "nitro" loads from a variety of collectors. Like the .416 Rigby, or .458 LOTT. These are the ones that I would wanna use if we were shoulder firing rifles at Dinosaurs... "Karamojo" Bell, the famous African hunter used to hunt everything with a .264 cal jacketed solid, or a 6.5x55. He also used to thread brain shots on pissed of animals at 2-20 yds. So that kind of defeats the purpose of needing stopping power...but still, he proved that you can drop a charging Elephant with realtively TINY, solid rounds, in front of HEAVY loads. They did the job, when used properly.

10-02-2011, 05:01 PM	#7
The Duke Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: NW Louisiana Posts: 813	Re: Hollywood and The Bullet Proof Dinosaurs Damn....I sold my .458W a couple years ago...I knew I shouldnt have done that...What will I do now if a T-Rex starts rooting my garden??? __________________ Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc'-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

10-02-2011, 05:14 PM	#8
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,772	Re: Hollywood and The Bullet Proof Dinosaurs I remember a Capstick story, some years back. Crocodile. He was asked to come shoot it, as it was eating too many villagers. So he toddles over to the river, and there this 15 or 16 foot crocodile is, layin' up on the bank. Pete shot it. Top of its head just kinda disintegrates. So, what's he do? Shoots it again. He was quoted as saying that them 500 Nitro bullets ran around 7 dollars each, but that was much cheaper than a hospital stay, and he always shot dangerous animals more than he thought they needed. Croc is laying there on the bank. Deader'n hell. Then it gets up off its belly and starts down the bank t'wards the river. He shoots it again. Now it's dead. Then it gets up and starts down the bank again. Shoot it again. NOW it's dead. They watch for a while. Yep, it's dead. Couple of the villagers go grab it by the tail and drag it farther up the bank. No reaction. Dead. They go to have tea. When they come back, they find a buzzard in the croc's mouth. Buzzard seemed to have landed for lunch, and the croc weren't quite dead, yet. Shot it again. Them big lizards is much harder to kill than big mammals. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

10-02-2011, 05:55 PM	#9
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,555	Re: Hollywood and The Bullet Proof Dinosaurs Penetration would be the problem. Getting the bullet to the vital organs. I'm thinking 50BMG, with armor piercing rounds. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

10-02-2011, 05:57 PM	#10
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Hollywood and The Bullet Proof Dinosaurs when in africa there was not a elephant safe cause of the AK's and HK's getting about , i think a AK would sort a T Rex

10-02-2011, 08:27 PM	#11
Gun Geezer Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,722	Re: Hollywood and The Bullet Proof Dinosaurs I remember from dinosaur 101 that many dinosaur's had a brain no larger than a pea. In fact, some had a second brain in their tail to help control such large bodies. That, together with thick skin and dense bones would probably result in a very difficult creature to kill. Vital hits would be a matter of luck and it would take quite a while for one of them to bleed out. A bazooka comes to mind as a weapon of choice.

10-02-2011, 09:00 PM	#12
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Hollywood and The Bullet Proof Dinosaurs balistics 101 shows that it aint what you hit but the shock imparted to the target that does the killing , yes brain shots are best , but a brain shot is doable without hitting the actual brain , the shock imparted by the round to the skull is often enough to do the job give me a SLR ( FN/FAL) and a big clear paddock and drop in a t rex , i know who'd i'd getting the BBQ ready for .. 3-4 rounds mid chest would stop a whale 2-3 head shots that dont hit the brain should be enough if they dont glance off bone is not as dense or as strong as some good timbers i dont know any timber strong enough to hold back a 7.62mm NATO round in thickness less than 6" its all flesh after that

10-02-2011, 09:00 PM	#13
armoredman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Proud to be in Arizona Posts: 1,381	Re: Hollywood and The Bullet Proof Dinosaurs GAU8A would be my personal choice...Hey, if I go outside of reality so far as to meet a T-Rex, I can just reach out and grab an A-10, too!

10-02-2011, 09:23 PM	#14
herohog V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Shreveport, LA Posts: 455	Re: Hollywood and The Bullet Proof Dinosaurs .303 Lee Enfield for the win! They have killed thousands of elephants and big game! __________________ Speedy

10-02-2011, 09:30 PM	#15
Claudius Valarium V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: South Central Texas, AKA the Middle of Flyover Country Posts: 459	Re: Hollywood and The Bullet Proof Dinosaurs Everybody knows that the T-Rex cannot be killed. He has to come back for sequels. Time to dust off Mothra. __________________ CV "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined." Patrick Henry, 1788

10-02-2011, 09:35 PM	#16
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Hollywood and The Bullet Proof Dinosaurs sure they can be killed , but they always leave a batch of egg's behind...

10-02-2011, 10:40 PM	#17
obxned Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,342	Re: Hollywood and The Bullet Proof Dinosaurs The little 7x57 Mauser round probably killed more elephants than any other cartridge, and the skulls of elephants are thicker and more heavily constructed than a T. Rex. Shot placement is the key. However, if one iwere charging, I would want an RPG. __________________ Proud member of a North Carolina Committee of Safety "If we loose Freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the Last Stand on Earth!" Ronald Reagan

10-03-2011, 06:36 AM	#18
jstgsn Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Milford, Delaware Contributor Posts: 1,314	Re: Hollywood and The Bullet Proof Dinosaurs Hollywood has given us the endless shooting 2 inch revolver, the handgun bullet that causes cars to explode, a method to shoot around people, and countless other little oddities. The liberals who make up the majority of movie makers have no desire to deal in reality which is why most movies aren't worth the time it takes to wach them. Even their fantasies have to prove some liberal point of view. Look at all the remakes of old classics. Hollywood doesn't have a fresh idea about anything. __________________ Don’t pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he will just kill you.

10-03-2011, 08:51 AM	#19
Juker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Land of Lincoln Contributor Posts: 2,872	Re: Hollywood and The Bullet Proof Dinosaurs We also watched 'Terra Nova' and enjoyed it. But I had to wonder - obviously the weapons, vehicles, medical supplies, power grid, ammo, etc. were sent back through the time machine. Why don't they send through bigger guns, instead of wasting so much ammo? Why not an Abrams and a couple of Blackhawks? Ah, Hollywood.... __________________ SHOOT FIRST. SHOOT SECOND. MOST IMPORTANTLY, BE THE MAN WHO'S SHOOTING LAST.

10-03-2011, 08:56 AM	#20
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,555	Re: Hollywood and The Bullet Proof Dinosaurs And that is why I won't watch that show, it's dumb! If these folks came from the future to the past to start up a human colony, wouldn't they know the problems they would face? If so, why are they so unprepared? Surely, if they can build a time machine to get people into the past, they should be able to build better weapons! Besides, the major problem in this scenario is that man is of a fallen nature. No matter where he goes, or what he does, he is a killer! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

10-03-2011, 09:43 AM	#21
whirley V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Contributor Posts: 464	Re: Hollywood and The Bullet Proof Dinosaurs Saw a TV show about people in Louisiana shooting crocks for their hides. They used .22 long rifle cartridges. One trapper/hunter said there was one spot that would hit the croc brain and kill it . If you missed things could get exciing.

10-03-2011, 09:50 AM	#22
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,555	Re: Hollywood and The Bullet Proof Dinosaurs .22's are about the only caliber used, either in pistol, or rifle, for the taking of 'gators, just about anywhere in the state. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

10-03-2011, 02:38 PM	#24
Old Grump Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Little hut in the woods near Blue River Wisconsin Posts: 2,320	Re: Hollywood and The Bullet Proof Dinosaurs Not knowing the physiology of a dinosaur I wouldn't count on a CNS shot to put one down. ft/lbs of shock won't mean much either, you need a big enough hole or holes to make his blood pressure drop by at least a third to make sure he is down. If there is no bleeding his little brain keeps getting oxygen and he keeps go8ng. If he wasn't hardy they wouldn't have been able to survive million of years after chewing each other up. Large hole and deep penetration should do it just fine. Maw, hand me my 12 gauge and that case of slugs please. Magazine fed shotgun would be desirable for quick reloading and forget that 0 and 00 stuff, we need large hunks of lead. Problem with T-Rex .577 rifle is who is going to shoot it? A couple or three shots and you are done for the day, with a 12 gauge most people would be just warming up after the 3rd shot. __________________ "When once a republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil."~~- Thomas Jefferson Roman Catholic, Life Member of American Legion, VFW, Wisconsin Libertarian party, Wi-FORCE, WGO, NRA, JPFO, GOA, SAFand CCRKBA

10-03-2011, 04:25 PM	#25
gcalloway V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Atlanta Posts: 88	Re: Hollywood and The Bullet Proof Dinosaurs if we are going back in time to kill dinasours take a ray gun. __________________ Success: Before everything else, getting ready is the secret of success. - Henry Ford