Jew,Christian, Mormon, a childs question

[dartswinger]

Since we may well soon have a Mormon President I think this is relevant.
Last night I had to smile when I heard my Brother in Law answer a question to his grandson. The child had heard his parents discussing Christian and Mormon and asked what the difference was. My Brother in Law said the Jews had 'the Book' the Christians had 'the Book and volume 2, the New Testament' and the Mormons have the first 2 plus volume 3, the 'Book of Mormon'. I chuckled a bit and then realized, how could one put it better in a childs eye without the weightiness of doctrin and theology?

[jack404]

my way is

"Mormons believe that a angel called Moroni told a man a new way to be Christian and he started the Mormon Church"

i personally dont agree with the doctrine , but seen some fine works come outta the folks who be in there

and happy to stand by em in strife.. good folks

so i like not to judge the folks most i've met are fine , ( biggest scammer i ever knew was one so it balances like every church but he robbed his own as well .. crooks are like butts , everyones got one somewhere )

i've seen what they teach and not 100% with it at all

but the folksas people , Love Jesus and see Him and following His path as the way to Glory ( they just have a mixed up ending )

i cant fault that eh

[ampaterry]

I think that description was good, actually, if the child was very young.
If he was nearing the teenage years, I would go a bit more into depth with him.

Gotta agree, Jack; absolutely wonderful people - at least every one we have met. And they are pretty well tied with the Jehovah's Witnesses for dedication, too, which is high praise indeed.

Judy and I were so impressed with them, in fact, that we went through their entire series of teaching while we lived in Alaska. Then some years later in IL, we went through it AGAIN. Just couldn't get past a couple of doctrinal points, though.

But I would be GLAD for a Mormon to have my back ANYTIME.

[Double D]

After having an anti american illegal muslim terrorist president, I am not at all concerned with his religion.

[dartswinger]

Seems to be a consensus old brother in law didn't do too badly, taught me at least a little too. I was raised protestant and pretty much taught that Judaism was the root of Christianity but I hadn't the slightest idea what Mormonism was. All I've really heard are Mitts detractors and comedians stuff about 'magic underwear', theres gotta be more to it than that. I don't know about the muslim stuff with Obama but he has some far greater failings and problems than that, in my opinion.

[RunningOnMT]

I can't get into this the way I'd like. Let me just say that many "good" people are on their way to hell. Salvation is not by works, and only comes by faith in the only begotten Son of God, Jesus Christ. Anyone who claims to be a follower of Christ but denies His deity, believes in another Christ and another gospel, and are cursed. I am not judging here; they are already judged.

I do not wish to offend anyone. I know there are many faiths represented on this forum, including non believers. This is just what I believe, and I can do nothing other than speak the truth as I understand it. This is not narrow mindedness. All religions can't be true, and separate realities are fiction. There is only one truth.

[Caneman]

wow, just saw this thread pop up on the TFF main index page, i rarely visit this part of the forum... this topic generates a lot of heat around here and I wish I could discuss it openly as well but I would probably get in to a lot of trouble if i got into details! if it really interests you then read your bible, do the research, and seek God for understanding and you will come to know the truth about this topic... like my brother said ^^^ there can only be one Truth...

[jack404]

44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.

46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.



I am a Christian Deist , not the new age "jesus aint god" version but the fearful of organised ( made made) religion

Jesus is my Savior . (full Stop)

now else where in the bible folks came up a running to Jesus saying master , there are others teaching in your name but doing things different and in other languages etc

what was Jesus reaction?

take a leaf outta the misfitted mohamadens and try to place yourself in His shoes for that moment ( like trying to be like old mo )

what was Jesus's reaction to this ?

i think we need to see a lesson

though we may not trust in any way the organisation , the people within ,

we should never, ever judge ...

dont get me going on the catholic church , ( who had a bounty on my families faiths head for 450 years) but that dont mean catholics are bad

in fact it was average catholics who reformed the church

remember martin luther ??

God works in people not doctrines

come out to Australia in the deepest desert we got and see who is there helping the folks there , we aint sexy like africa , but we got same conditions , worse , i see three groups out there , guess which , ( salvation army is one )

by their deeds shall ye know them is a pretty good measure

its a simple truth Jesus Himself stated

and i try to use that as my measure ..

you'd be surprised the ammount of folks in those groups who agree about some of the silly things ( the funny undies) but thats a tradition more than faith aspect nowdays to most , some are dead serious about it and thats always a worry , but its the folks in it that matters and what they believe and who they accept as their personal savior

what they beleive happens afterwards .. that really matter ? you gonna say i aint Christian because i think the big bang happened and it was all part of God's plan to get us to this point in time and space?



you ask any Mormon folks this ..

i'll ask here and now

any Mormon folks care to answer that one ? who is your personal Savior ??


cheers

[ampaterry]

Originally Posted by Double D

After having an anti american illegal muslim terrorist president, I am not at all concerned with his religion.

Truer words were never spake!!!

I see nothing wrong with stating that faith in Christ brings salvation, ROMT.
The problem enters when someone decides it is their prerogative to decide what group has faith in Christ and what group does not. THAT is the kind of detail that will bring problems to them in this group.

Old N/A wisdom says not to judge anyone until you have walked a mile in his moccasins. The truth of this is that God does the judging, not us. The only way we can KNOW what someone believes is if we ARE that person.

I was technically a Lutherin for four years.
But I believed NOTHING they believe during that time.

[carver]

I'm in the same boat as ROMT. One of the best friends I've ever had was a Mormon. I got to know the religion well, and have discussed religion with many of them thru the years. There is just too much there that ain't right, IMHO.

[RunningOnMT]

Terry, You are absolutely correct; God is the only judge. But I don't think comparing the published beliefs of a particular religion or cult to what scripture says is judging. I don't say the things I do to put someone else down. I do it hoping I've planted a seed of doubt that will cause others to take a look at the teachings of their religion from a biblical perspective. We are not called to go with the flow and not rock the boat, but to speak the truth in all things.

[Caneman]

You know what i think is a common misperception is that "Christians are not supposed to judge"... imo, i believe that is an inaccurate understanding of scripture... Christians are not supposed to condemn others, but making judgements is actually encouraged... i usually see the same two reasons given why Christians are not to judge: 1) Matt 7:1 "do not judge", and 2) Jesus never judged anyone. If you read the entire chapter 7 of Matt Jesus tells us to only make judgments only when we have first judged ourselves, and in John 7:24 Jesus tells us to make "righteous judgments". Everyone makes judgments all the time, including about people, but as Christians we are to judge ourselves first and then make righteous judgments not based on appearances only. Remember that judgments and condemnation are not the same thing and many confuse and interchange these two ideas all the time. If you look at the woman caught in adultery Jesus never condemned her, but he did judge her when he told her to "sin no more", with that statement He judged her actions as sinful. In Matt 18 there are directives on how to make judgments about another’s behavior. So imo, the meme that "Christians can't judge" is a common fallacy and an incomplete understanding of scripture.

[ampaterry]

OK, I will try to be clearer.

Saying the Muslims are lost is absolute fact; Islam is not a denomination nor a borderline case where they MIGHT accept Christ as their savior; they are 100% wrong in all respects.

But the Baptists think it is a sin to drink wine at communion.
Another group thinks it is a sin NOT to drink wine at communion.
Each has scripture to point to for their belief.
Snake handlers have scripture to point to for their belief too, and feel it would be a sin NOT to handle serpents when they are plainly told these signs FOLLOW those that believe.

Various denominational differences ALL have scripture they point to for their particular beliefs.

If anyone feels called to proselytize their own particular flavor of Christianity, or to claim that others who identify themselves as Christians are really no, do it elsewhere. If they feel that Catholics are lost, don't say so here. If they believe JW's are wrong, don't say it here. If they think Pentecostals are powered by the devil, don't say it here.

No one is saying you cannot say these things; all we are saying is that you cannot say them HERE.

[carver]

So the truth is being censored now? And who here says what the truth is?

[ampaterry]

Originally Posted by carver

So the truth is being censored now? And who here says what the truth is?

Personal attacks, flame wars, hurt feelings - THAT is what is being censored here, and always has been.

There may be a lady here that is ugly and fat.
That may be the truth.
But if you want to call her ugly and fat, you will have to do it elsewhere.

I cannot understand why civility is so difficult to understand - -

[RunningOnMT]

Well I'm no lady but I'm ugly and fat. In any event...OK, So we don't call the lady fat. That doesn't mean we don't share our opinions about obesity.

[ampaterry]

Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

Well I'm no lady but I'm ugly and fat. In any event...OK, So we don't call the lady fat. That doesn't mean we don't share our opinions about obesity.

True.
Provided, of course, that if the lady is a member of the DAR we do not opine that DAR members are fat - -

And that is the whole thing.
We do not insult other members by saying that we think their religious affiliation is with a group that is wrong, lost, etc.
Anyone wants to do that in private e-mail or in person, have at it - but it is against the rules of this group to do it here.

[jack404]

so your saying Mormon folks wont go to heaven ? but your brand of Christianity is good to go?

keep it

i dont want any part of your brand that denies good folks and encourages hate

theres enough bloody hatred out there , no mormons gonna kill you to get sniving points for heaven

this is why i gave away set up religion

ya do know the meaning of religion right ??

itys from two words reliana and legion

reliana means to control to lead

leagion means many

i see your brand is leading its folks into hatred and hell fire

enjoy !!

( dont feel nice do it )

judge not , lest ye be judged ,,

wont judge poofters they are ok , muslims they are ok mormons they aint Christian non of em

sure on that ??

hell's a big bet if'n ya lose

and ya lost before you had your answer

think about it

[RunningOnMT]

Jack I don't have a clue what you just said or who you said it to, but seems to me except for the OP, you and Terry are the only ones that mentioned any religion by name. No one mentioned hate either. But I do hate damn lies that lead people to hell. I'm sure not the one that will send them there. And I sure don't want to see them go either. I deserve hell myself, and it's only my faith in what my Lord did for me on the cross, that I am saved. THAT is the gospel, and anyone who believes there is any other way is deluding himself. And that's the end of my contribution to this thread.

[jack404]

so again your brand is ok but others aint and they'll all go to hell no matter what eh ?

i keep hearing how i'll go to hell for this , that or the other , always from folks way more pious than myself

like the gent who runs a illegal casino above the fruit shop ( folks really dont go there to buy fruit at midnight )

or the minister who is preaching acceptance of gays and lesbians as "God creations"

gotta love that selective faith

i'll wait till Someone else makes the selection

that way i'll know its right ( no offence eh )

[jack404]

what about the armish and mennonite folks , they going to heaven ??

i keep asking question but no-one responding

but i wish a answer to the above as thats my background Mennonite

every so called Christian Church had a cash bounty on our heads for centuries

real Christian that eh ? if not for Catherine the great we'd have been wiped out in Europe .. long ago

now are mennonites Christians or as the main stream church state must be wiped out ??

answer please i wish to know if i'm at risk here ..

after all main stream Christian Churches have killed my people for 4 centuries with a licence to do so thats never been withdrawn ( fact ) though they did state in 1890 something that we where not a threat , the fact is main stream Christianity stated we must all be killed so other could benefit from our deaths ( take the crap land we made fertile and cleared )

so whats so nice about your faith that calls for folks like me to be wiped out

eh?

[runes]

The best quote Iv,e heard is " If it made sense it wouldn't have to be a religion"

[Archie]

Jack. I grew up as a Baptist and now am a member of a Berean Bible Fellowship congregation. To my best knowledge - and I'm a bit of a history buff - neither of those two groups have ever offered a bounty on Mennonites.

The Bible says Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to Heaven. You seem to be familiar with the Bible, I'm sure you are either familiar with the third chapter of the Gospel of John, or you know where to find it. One of the operate phrases is in 3:18 "The one who believes in him is not condemned. The one who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God."

That isn't what 'my brand' says, it is what the Bible says. So, how does that make me a hater? I'm not happy anyone is going to Hell. Neither is God; that's why He sent His Son to die as atonement.

"Good deeds" are great. However, the determining factor is why a person does 'good deeds'. If one does them as a result of believing in God through Jesus Christ and genuinely desired to love and serve others as God loves us, then it's proper. If one does 'good deeds' in an attempt to make God happy and forgive the person's 'bad deeds' in some sort of spiritual balance beam - that simply isn't going to work.

As for Mormons; they are typically good folks. However, their 'brand' of religion teaches a number of things not found in - and in some cases contradictory - to the Bible. In that their teaching seems to deny the sole redemptive power of Jesus Christ, they are not going to Heaven. Again; I'm not particularly happy about it, but that's the way it is.

Which is not to say I have a problem with Mormon people. Other than the occasional twit - which one finds most places - they are pretty good folks.

Governor Romney, for instance. He and I have some serious doctrinal differences; but I'm not voting for a Pastor, I'm voting for a President. And I think he will do a fine job.

DartSwinger; actually the Latter Day Saint's Church has FOUR 'sacred' books; the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants of the LDS Church, the Pearl of Great Price and the Bible. Of those four, the Bible is the only one considered to be 'misinterpreted' and therefore containing errors.

[jack404]

no but members did take money from lutherans who put the bounty on them to run them off their land in pennsylvania in 1752 eh ? oh we forgot about that ..

they justified it by claiming the crop where too good and it musta been witchcraft

yeah when common sense runs out blind panic fears and lies will bring in the dollars

thats the good old time religion

let's all praise the all mighty dollar and give thanks we be on the right side of god

and we'll make sure them other dont get no part of glory , damn non Christians , we aught to kill em all eh ?

[Archie]

That's right Jack.

I was there in 1752 with my fire brand and my .45 pistol. I'm still rich from that bounty, by the way.

Could you please take a deep breath and consider 'this week'?