Case Hardening - The Firearms Forum

HerbyJr · 01-10-2005, 08:25 AM

If this has already been discussed, I missed it. I am looking for an easy way to case harden a receceiver on a model 94 lever gun. You kow the part that always gets rusted on the older 94's and seems to peel or flake off on the newer ones.

I've heard there is a fairly simple way to do it with a torch and then follow it up with a rub. I haven't looked for supplies/products at local gun shops yet for this project, I thought I'd get your opinions first.

Got any suggestions?

H.

Xracer · 01-10-2005, 05:17 PM

I've never personally tried it, but here's some info:

http://www.tpub.com/content/construc...s/14250_31.htm

http://members.aol.com/illinewek/faqs/case.htm

HerbyJr · 01-11-2005, 01:47 AM

Thanks X...I think I'm going to play around with some variations of their suggestions.

H.

MisterEd · 01-11-2005, 09:05 AM

Used to be a product called "Casite" I do not know if it is available anymore. Either way be very careful whatever you do. Heating metal is more of a science, and art as opposed to just a procedure. As a welder/fabricator I certainly understand the problems with heating metal - the only difference being if I screw up a relatively low figure goes in the scrap bin - I would hate to mess up a mod 94 receiver

HerbyJr · 01-11-2005, 12:11 PM

Thanks MisterEd...I plan on playing around with lots of different items first and trying to find a steel that closely resembles the make-up of the 94. I have a buddy with a small machine shop and after your response and reading X's findings, I think I'll employ my buddy's help and use his expertise. Thanks again.

H.

stash247 · 01-11-2005, 09:57 PM

The product is Casenite. The problem is, DISTORTION.
An outfit in Ohio, I think called the Case Color Company, may have your answer.
When you harden an action with varying thicknesses of metal, it often distorts, as it cools.
Far better to have a block, sized to fit the receiver, in place before you heat it up; better yet, have some sort of experience behind you, to boot. These guys do a lot of high dollar, single shot Winchesters, Stevens, etc, and give excellent results, much cheaper than we could tool up to do one or two. Give them a call!
Postscript: Casenite will work, to make it hard, on the UNIFORMLY GRAY surface, but is not the finish you probably desire!

HerbyJr · 01-12-2005, 12:01 AM

Honestly, all I want to do is take a rusting receiver on a brush gun and make it a little prettier and make it so that I don't have to worry about it rusting anymore. Plus, I'm not sure whats different about the newer 94s but they're doing something different to the receivers now so that they chip or flake more like paint instead of rust like the barrel blueing. Thanks for all your input.

H.

01-10-2005, 08:25 AM	#1
HerbyJr V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: God's Country Posts: 358	Case Hardening If this has already been discussed, I missed it. I am looking for an easy way to case harden a receceiver on a model 94 lever gun. You kow the part that always gets rusted on the older 94's and seems to peel or flake off on the newer ones. I've heard there is a fairly simple way to do it with a torch and then follow it up with a rub. I haven't looked for supplies/products at local gun shops yet for this project, I thought I'd get your opinions first. Got any suggestions? H. -->

01-10-2005, 05:17 PM	#2
Xracer TFF Admin Staff Mediator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Minn-eeee-sota, ya, sure, you bet! Posts: 9,144	Re: Case Hardening I've never personally tried it, but here's some info: http://www.tpub.com/content/construc...s/14250_31.htm http://members.aol.com/illinewek/faqs/case.htm

01-11-2005, 01:47 AM	#3
HerbyJr V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: God's Country Posts: 358	Re: Case Hardening Thanks X...I think I'm going to play around with some variations of their suggestions. H.

01-11-2005, 09:05 AM	#4
MisterEd V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: LaPine, OR Posts: 110	Re: Case Hardening Used to be a product called "Casite" I do not know if it is available anymore. Either way be very careful whatever you do. Heating metal is more of a science, and art as opposed to just a procedure. As a welder/fabricator I certainly understand the problems with heating metal - the only difference being if I screw up a relatively low figure goes in the scrap bin - I would hate to mess up a mod 94 receiver

01-11-2005, 12:11 PM	#5
HerbyJr V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: God's Country Posts: 358	Re: Case Hardening Thanks MisterEd...I plan on playing around with lots of different items first and trying to find a steel that closely resembles the make-up of the 94. I have a buddy with a small machine shop and after your response and reading X's findings, I think I'll employ my buddy's help and use his expertise. Thanks again. H.

01-11-2005, 09:57 PM	#6
stash247 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central Texas Posts: 2,815	Re: Case Hardening The product is Casenite. The problem is, DISTORTION. An outfit in Ohio, I think called the Case Color Company, may have your answer. When you harden an action with varying thicknesses of metal, it often distorts, as it cools. Far better to have a block, sized to fit the receiver, in place before you heat it up; better yet, have some sort of experience behind you, to boot. These guys do a lot of high dollar, single shot Winchesters, Stevens, etc, and give excellent results, much cheaper than we could tool up to do one or two. Give them a call! Postscript: Casenite will work, to make it hard, on the UNIFORMLY GRAY surface, but is not the finish you probably desire! __________________ Don't start no s**t and there won't be none, Terry

01-12-2005, 12:01 AM	#7
HerbyJr V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: God's Country Posts: 358	Re: Case Hardening Honestly, all I want to do is take a rusting receiver on a brush gun and make it a little prettier and make it so that I don't have to worry about it rusting anymore. Plus, I'm not sure whats different about the newer 94s but they're doing something different to the receivers now so that they chip or flake more like paint instead of rust like the barrel blueing. Thanks for all your input. H.