HK4 .22 kit - The Firearms Forum

tonelar · 03-17-2006, 01:34 PM

What's it worth? It comes with the original box (old and worn but still serviceable), one .22 mag a barrel and spring (really clean, can't see any evidence that it's been fired) and the screwdriver.

No sign of a dedicated .22LR extractor (I've heard that these came with the kits, but don't see one anywhere).

Thanks,
tony

Xracer · 03-18-2006, 07:22 AM

Hi Tony.....welcome to TFF.

Is this the .380ACP with the .22 conversion or just a straight HK4 in .22 LR?

Also what's it's condition (approximate % of finish)?

tonelar · 03-18-2006, 09:41 PM

Hi,

Thanks for the welcome... this is for a boxed kit only. I just was looking around and don't see them offered currently.

Maybe the HK4 doesn't really have a following, you know?

lemme know,
tony

Xracer · 03-19-2006, 07:15 AM

OK Tony.....here's what the Blue Book says:

HK4....380ACP with .22 LR conversion:

100% - $480
98% - $385
95% - $350
90% - $325
80% - $310

Discontinued in 1984.

armedandsafe · 03-19-2006, 08:07 PM

It still sounds like he's talking about the conversion kit only. Just the add-on parts to convert from original caliber to .22.

Pops

inplanotx · 03-19-2006, 08:47 PM

Pops is right. He has it for sale in the B/S/T forum. No mention of the missing extractor though! So, if you sell it and the buyer expects the whole thing, beware!!!!!!!!!!!

tonelar · 03-19-2006, 10:18 PM

Thanks for the Blue Book quote XRacer.
Pops and Inplanotx are correct I was just looking for a value for the kit (incomplete) alone...

Does the original HK box have any real value? It's just cardboard, I've seen a couple of the HR (like the commemorative sets) kits where the boxes are wood and velvet lined... those look really nice.

I got an offer for just the screwdriver (@$25) so maybe I should take it and lower the kit price by the same amount?

Thanks for your input, guys. I only now noticed that my ad didn't mention the missing extractor... anyone here know a source for HK4 parts like these?

tony

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stash247 · 03-20-2006, 08:17 PM

As I recall, and, bear with me, as I'm old, the HK-4 was so named because of the four caliber (.380/9 Kurz, .32acp,.25acp, .22LR) capability.
There were a bunch of German kits, with only .32/ .22 barrels, , slides, recoil springs, extractors, ejectors, and mags, as German Police surplus, in the 1080-1983 area; sold for around $170,US. 1 Pistol, 2 calibers, no frills, and surplus.
The 'real deal' was the four caliber kit, for about $430, US, at the time.
Today, the .25acp conversion units are the scarcest, as they were the least produced.
In all cases, as I recall, a different Mag, slide, recoil spring, extractor, and ejector, were provided, for each caliber.
While I won't vote on the relative desirability of individual calibers, the production numbers speak to price; all require ALL the parts I have mentioned, to be functional, as a pistol, and all conversion units should have one, each, of all the parts I listed.
Hope this helps.

tonelar · 03-21-2006, 10:57 AM

Thanks Terry... I haven't come across a difference in ejectors nor slides between the different models. I've bought a pair of kits recently (one for the .32 and the other for .22LR) and one came with just the barrel and spring while the rimfire came with the barrel, spring and magazine.

Wish I knew a source for these extractors...

To give you an idea of what the 4 caliber set is going for, I've seen them in GA as well as HK sites being offered for between $900+. One (which is a commemorative) set was listed at over $1K.

03-17-2006, 01:34 PM	#1
tonelar Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7	HK4 .22 kit What's it worth? It comes with the original box (old and worn but still serviceable), one .22 mag a barrel and spring (really clean, can't see any evidence that it's been fired) and the screwdriver. No sign of a dedicated .22LR extractor (I've heard that these came with the kits, but don't see one anywhere). Thanks, tony -->

03-18-2006, 07:22 AM	#2
Xracer TFF Admin Staff Mediator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Minn-eeee-sota, ya, sure, you bet! Posts: 9,144	Re: HK4 .22 kit Hi Tony.....welcome to TFF. Is this the .380ACP with the .22 conversion or just a straight HK4 in .22 LR? Also what's it's condition (approximate % of finish)?

03-18-2006, 09:41 PM	#3
tonelar Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7	Re: HK4 .22 kit Hi, Thanks for the welcome... this is for a boxed kit only. I just was looking around and don't see them offered currently. Maybe the HK4 doesn't really have a following, you know? lemme know, tony

03-19-2006, 07:15 AM	#4
Xracer TFF Admin Staff Mediator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Minn-eeee-sota, ya, sure, you bet! Posts: 9,144	Re: HK4 .22 kit OK Tony.....here's what the Blue Book says: HK4....380ACP with .22 LR conversion: 100% - $480 98% - $385 95% - $350 90% - $325 80% - $310 Discontinued in 1984.

03-19-2006, 08:07 PM	#5
armedandsafe Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Moses Lake, WA Posts: 10,344	Re: HK4 .22 kit It still sounds like he's talking about the conversion kit only. Just the add-on parts to convert from original caliber to .22. Pops

03-19-2006, 08:47 PM	#6
inplanotx Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 8,897	Re: HK4 .22 kit Pops is right. He has it for sale in the B/S/T forum. No mention of the missing extractor though! So, if you sell it and the buyer expects the whole thing, beware!!!!!!!!!!! __________________

03-19-2006, 10:18 PM	#7
tonelar Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7	Re: HK4 .22 kit Thanks for the Blue Book quote XRacer. Pops and Inplanotx are correct I was just looking for a value for the kit (incomplete) alone... Does the original HK box have any real value? It's just cardboard, I've seen a couple of the HR (like the commemorative sets) kits where the boxes are wood and velvet lined... those look really nice. I got an offer for just the screwdriver (@$25) so maybe I should take it and lower the kit price by the same amount? Thanks for your input, guys. I only now noticed that my ad didn't mention the missing extractor... anyone here know a source for HK4 parts like these? tony also Last edited by tonelar; 03-20-2006 at 03:49 PM..

03-20-2006, 08:17 PM	#8
stash247 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central Texas Posts: 2,815	Re: HK4 .22 kit As I recall, and, bear with me, as I'm old, the HK-4 was so named because of the four caliber (.380/9 Kurz, .32acp,.25acp, .22LR) capability. There were a bunch of German kits, with only .32/ .22 barrels, , slides, recoil springs, extractors, ejectors, and mags, as German Police surplus, in the 1080-1983 area; sold for around $170,US. 1 Pistol, 2 calibers, no frills, and surplus. The 'real deal' was the four caliber kit, for about $430, US, at the time. Today, the .25acp conversion units are the scarcest, as they were the least produced. In all cases, as I recall, a different Mag, slide, recoil spring, extractor, and ejector, were provided, for each caliber. While I won't vote on the relative desirability of individual calibers, the production numbers speak to price; all require ALL the parts I have mentioned, to be functional, as a pistol, and all conversion units should have one, each, of all the parts I listed. Hope this helps. __________________ Don't start no s**t and there won't be none, Terry

03-21-2006, 10:57 AM	#9
tonelar Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7	Re: HK4 .22 kit Thanks Terry... I haven't come across a difference in ejectors nor slides between the different models. I've bought a pair of kits recently (one for the .32 and the other for .22LR) and one came with just the barrel and spring while the rimfire came with the barrel, spring and magazine. Wish I knew a source for these extractors... To give you an idea of what the 4 caliber set is going for, I've seen them in GA as well as HK sites being offered for between $900+. One (which is a commemorative) set was listed at over $1K. Last edited by tonelar; 03-24-2006 at 08:02 PM..