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redcloudisalive · 03-13-2004, 08:53 PM

Ok help me out with any suggestions. What style action and in what caliber would you recommend to fill any obvious gaps in my present rifle armory?

Existing armory includes: .22 cal bolt, 22-250 cal. bolt, .243 Win BAR, .270 Win single shot "falling-block, 30/30 Marlin lever, 300 Win Mag bolt, 45/70 Marlin lever, .375 H&H bolt, & .416 double can. All are scoped but the 45/70 and the double rifle.

I thought about a .223 cal tactical rifle (but I can't figure which is best regarding functionality and esp. dependability) or a .308 or .338 cal in like a Ruger #1. What about a "break -open action in some caliber?

Redcloud

Remington597 · 03-13-2004, 09:13 PM

Do you enjoy semiauto?

redcloudisalive · 03-13-2004, 09:53 PM

Well Reminbgton 597,

I do have a BAR in .243 thats a hoot to shoot. I like its usefulness for varmits and larger game.

Recloud PS- I tried to find out about your name sake model but couldn't find much.

Remington597 · 03-13-2004, 10:05 PM

I would highly recommend the Remington 597. Its incredibly ergonomic and accurate. Go to remington.com , thats the company website and they really go into great detail about it.

As you can see, I enjoy .22 semiauto rifles and pistols. I also have a few 9mm.

I would also recommend that you visit the Volquartsen website at volquartsen.com

Here is the Volquartsen .22LR rifle

I also enjoy Ruger 10/22s and Marlin 60SS, as well as my favorite Rem.597.

Remington597 · 03-13-2004, 10:14 PM

As far as average prices,

Volquartsens are from $500-$1200
Remington 597 from $150-$350
Marlin 60SS /K from $150-$350
Ruger 10/22s same as above.

The Volquartsen is probably the best 22 rifle and the most accurate that there is. Thats just my opinion and many others who shoot competitive 22 rifles.

IShootBack · 03-14-2004, 03:42 PM

Here is a good choice.

Only wish I could afford one without my wife findin' out.

ISB

redcloudisalive · 03-14-2004, 04:24 PM

i have the same problem sometimes. She doesn't seem to get it!

Remington597 · 03-14-2004, 06:35 PM

I take being single for granted.

gpostal · 03-14-2004, 07:05 PM

S&A m1a .308 ,nuff said

rglbegl · 03-15-2004, 01:33 AM

Out of left field comes a vote for the Thompson Encore.
Break open, multi-barrel wonder. Get a few different barrels on one stock. Really complete your safe.

tcarms.com

I have only shot a few, so I am not the authority. Just a different thought to help make the decision harder

Good luck

redcloudisalive · 03-15-2004, 06:21 AM

Never had experience with them, are they accurate? good fit and finish? do they take quick release scope mounts or does each barrel need its own scope?

JohnK3 · 03-15-2004, 11:10 AM

A drilling. You need a drilling.

Gun store near my house has a beautiful German drilling with two 16 ga. barrels side-by-side above 8mm Mauser. Original scope. ~$3500.

Not a Holland and Holland, but a very nice gun, especially for the price.

rglbegl · 03-15-2004, 11:11 AM

The one I shot had a trigger job done, according to the owner. 200 yard outdoor range with little or no wind, Even I held a few inche groups off of a bag.
Remember to look for the Encore. The Thompson center is the rim/centerfire. Something about the hammer worries me. Anyway, the Encore is meant for the stronger loads. Ranging from the 14" 22 hornet all the way to a 375H&H mag in 26"
Yes the pistol barrels will fit on the rifle stock. ( Except in California where you are not allowed to have the pistol stock or barrels under 16" )
Just a thought because out here you can get the stock and one barrel for about $500-600. Then a couple hundred bucks a barrel after that.
And yes you can use removable scope mounts. Every barrel is tapped for a rail.

tcarms.com

Good luck

03-16-2004, 09:12 AM

Just a BAR in 300 Win Mag and an AR-15, with a .22 conversion unit, and maybe an upper in .50 AE, for close brush shooting. The 9 lb gas op BAR, in 300 Win Mag recoils like a 7 lb bolt action 270. For dangerous game, it's faster for the second hit than is the double, and way ahead of the bolt action for finishing off cripples. At the longer ranges, the bullet is in flight for 1/2 second or more. Any animal can take a step in 1/2 second, and that means a gut hit. You have no control whatsover over the animal, so eventually, this will happen to you. With the right riflling twist and a 250 gr Barne's "solid", the .300 is quite capable of taking anything that walks, while it also has extreme long range potential, using the 220 gr match bthp's. That's not true of the 375 or the 416, ya know. The only problem is that most African nations don't permit auto rifles. Me, I'd rig a "bolt handle" to stick out of the side of the thing. Goons in African Customs won't know the difference. :-)

Me, I'd just get the 7 lb alloy framed model, in 308, for the cheap practice with milsurp ammo, and forget about any percieved"need" of more power or range than the 308 has. Just brain the big, dangerous critters, like Bell did tuskers (using his 7mm Mauser). Given the really rapidfire at the head possible with a 308 auto, no reason to worry about a failure to stop, if you are using proper ammo for the job.

inplanotx · 03-16-2004, 11:06 AM

Geez, looks like ya got it all covered up to the 45-70. How about a 700 Nitro Express. That will win ya friends at the local shooting range!

swanshot · 03-20-2004, 05:45 AM

6.5X55 and/or 303 british C'mon, be different, find out what a real rifle's like.

whiteclouder · 03-20-2004, 11:26 PM

Something you would never regret would be to sock away some money for a year or so and spend it on a truly unique custom rifle. 700 Rem, 70 Win or even an older M98, a really fine piece of wood, custom checkered, a little metal engraving (conservative) and a high grade scope. Oh yeah, chambered in 30'06.

Get it done right and it will be something you can haul out of the cabinet and admire when you're feeling in the dumper.

Think about it.

Clouder..

LIKTOSHOOT · 03-20-2004, 11:39 PM

RUGER .204

LTS

03-14-2004, 03:42 PM	#6
IShootBack Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,306	Here is a good choice. Only wish I could afford one without my wife findin' out. ISB __________________ "The Lord is a warrior, the Lord is his name." Exodus15:3 Last edited by IShootBack; 01-19-2013 at 06:42 AM..

03-15-2004, 06:21 AM	#11
redcloudisalive Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 30	Never had experience with them, are they accurate? good fit and finish? do they take quick release scope mounts or does each barrel need its own scope? Last edited by redcloudisalive; 03-15-2004 at 06:23 AM..

03-16-2004, 09:12 AM	#14
absolute Adnanced Senior Member Posts: n/a	You could easily replace them all with Just a BAR in 300 Win Mag and an AR-15, with a .22 conversion unit, and maybe an upper in .50 AE, for close brush shooting. The 9 lb gas op BAR, in 300 Win Mag recoils like a 7 lb bolt action 270. For dangerous game, it's faster for the second hit than is the double, and way ahead of the bolt action for finishing off cripples. At the longer ranges, the bullet is in flight for 1/2 second or more. Any animal can take a step in 1/2 second, and that means a gut hit. You have no control whatsover over the animal, so eventually, this will happen to you. With the right riflling twist and a 250 gr Barne's "solid", the .300 is quite capable of taking anything that walks, while it also has extreme long range potential, using the 220 gr match bthp's. That's not true of the 375 or the 416, ya know. The only problem is that most African nations don't permit auto rifles. Me, I'd rig a "bolt handle" to stick out of the side of the thing. Goons in African Customs won't know the difference. :-) Me, I'd just get the 7 lb alloy framed model, in 308, for the cheap practice with milsurp ammo, and forget about any percieved"need" of more power or range than the 308 has. Just brain the big, dangerous critters, like Bell did tuskers (using his 7mm Mauser). Given the really rapidfire at the head possible with a 308 auto, no reason to worry about a failure to stop, if you are using proper ammo for the job. Last edited by absolute; 03-16-2004 at 09:55 AM..

03-16-2004, 11:06 AM	#15
inplanotx Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 8,897	Geez, looks like ya got it all covered up to the 45-70. How about a 700 Nitro Express. That will win ya friends at the local shooting range! __________________

03-20-2004, 05:45 AM	#16
swanshot Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Perth western australia Posts: 1,436	6.5X55 and/or 303 british C'mon, be different, find out what a real rifle's like. __________________ If you don't bleed you haven't bin trying

03-13-2004, 08:53 PM	#1
redcloudisalive Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 30	just for fun and my edification Ok help me out with any suggestions. What style action and in what caliber would you recommend to fill any obvious gaps in my present rifle armory? Existing armory includes: .22 cal bolt, 22-250 cal. bolt, .243 Win BAR, .270 Win single shot "falling-block, 30/30 Marlin lever, 300 Win Mag bolt, 45/70 Marlin lever, .375 H&H bolt, & .416 double can. All are scoped but the 45/70 and the double rifle. I thought about a .223 cal tactical rifle (but I can't figure which is best regarding functionality and esp. dependability) or a .308 or .338 cal in like a Ruger #1. What about a "break -open action in some caliber? Redcloud -->

03-13-2004, 09:13 PM	#2
Remington597 Former Guest Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,201	Do you enjoy semiauto?

03-13-2004, 09:53 PM	#3
redcloudisalive Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 30	Well Reminbgton 597, I do have a BAR in .243 thats a hoot to shoot. I like its usefulness for varmits and larger game. Recloud PS- I tried to find out about your name sake model but couldn't find much.

03-13-2004, 10:05 PM	#4
Remington597 Former Guest Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,201	I would highly recommend the Remington 597. Its incredibly ergonomic and accurate. Go to remington.com , thats the company website and they really go into great detail about it. As you can see, I enjoy .22 semiauto rifles and pistols. I also have a few 9mm. I would also recommend that you visit the Volquartsen website at volquartsen.com Here is the Volquartsen .22LR rifle I also enjoy Ruger 10/22s and Marlin 60SS, as well as my favorite Rem.597.

03-13-2004, 10:14 PM	#5
Remington597 Former Guest Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,201	As far as average prices, Volquartsens are from $500-$1200 Remington 597 from $150-$350 Marlin 60SS /K from $150-$350 Ruger 10/22s same as above. The Volquartsen is probably the best 22 rifle and the most accurate that there is. Thats just my opinion and many others who shoot competitive 22 rifles.

03-14-2004, 04:24 PM	#7
redcloudisalive Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 30	i have the same problem sometimes. She doesn't seem to get it!

03-14-2004, 06:35 PM	#8
Remington597 Former Guest Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,201	I take being single for granted.

03-14-2004, 07:05 PM	#9
gpostal Former Guest Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,552	S&A m1a .308 ,nuff said

03-15-2004, 01:33 AM	#10
rglbegl Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dana point CA Posts: 531	Out of left field comes a vote for the Thompson Encore. Break open, multi-barrel wonder. Get a few different barrels on one stock. Really complete your safe. tcarms.com I have only shot a few, so I am not the authority. Just a different thought to help make the decision harder Good luck

03-15-2004, 11:10 AM	#12
JohnK3 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,636	A drilling. You need a drilling. Gun store near my house has a beautiful German drilling with two 16 ga. barrels side-by-side above 8mm Mauser. Original scope. ~$3500. Not a Holland and Holland, but a very nice gun, especially for the price.

03-15-2004, 11:11 AM	#13
rglbegl Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dana point CA Posts: 531	The one I shot had a trigger job done, according to the owner. 200 yard outdoor range with little or no wind, Even I held a few inche groups off of a bag. Remember to look for the Encore. The Thompson center is the rim/centerfire. Something about the hammer worries me. Anyway, the Encore is meant for the stronger loads. Ranging from the 14" 22 hornet all the way to a 375H&H mag in 26" Yes the pistol barrels will fit on the rifle stock. ( Except in California where you are not allowed to have the pistol stock or barrels under 16" ) Just a thought because out here you can get the stock and one barrel for about $500-600. Then a couple hundred bucks a barrel after that. And yes you can use removable scope mounts. Every barrel is tapped for a rail. tcarms.com Good luck

03-20-2004, 11:26 PM	#17
whiteclouder V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Idaho Contributor Posts: 293	Something you would never regret would be to sock away some money for a year or so and spend it on a truly unique custom rifle. 700 Rem, 70 Win or even an older M98, a really fine piece of wood, custom checkered, a little metal engraving (conservative) and a high grade scope. Oh yeah, chambered in 30'06. Get it done right and it will be something you can haul out of the cabinet and admire when you're feeling in the dumper. Think about it. Clouder.. __________________ Visit whitecloudliterary.com, my small place in the ether.

03-20-2004, 11:39 PM	#18
LIKTOSHOOT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 9,367	RUGER .204 LTS