"Violence Tax" on Guns and Ammo - The Firearms Forum

norahc · 10-09-2012, 02:45 PM

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...ite&ocid=msnhp

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A proposed new tax in Cook County, Ill., home of violence-plagued Chicago, takes aim at guns, and gun rights activists aren't happy about it.

County President Toni Preckwinkle wants to introduce a "violence tax" on guns and ammunition to help plug a $115 million budget gap in 2013. Under the tax, guns and ammunition would cost more, according to the Chicago Sun-Times, but Preckwinkle isn't saying how much more just yet.

carver · 10-09-2012, 02:52 PM

The morons don't understand/believe that it is men who are evil/violent, not an inanimate object!

norahc · 10-09-2012, 03:42 PM

Nor do they seem to realize that the biggest purchaser of guns and ammo in Cook county is most likely the Chicago PD. Are they going to start taxing the sales to them to close the budget shortfall, thereby creating a bigger budget shortfall because they have to increase the PD budget to offset the increased spending on guns and ammo?

al45lc · 10-09-2012, 03:59 PM

State and most municipalities don't pay taxes on police purchases.
This will only effect the law abiding citizen, since if ammo is too expensive, the outlaws will steal it.
Or there will be a 'black market' for ammo.
Honestly, are ALL Chicago politicos stupid? Sure seems like it.

norahc · 10-09-2012, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by al45lc

State and most municipalities don't pay taxes on police purchases.
This will only effect the law abiding citizen, since if ammo is too expensive, the outlaws will steal it.
Or there will be a 'black market' for ammo.
Honestly, are ALL Chicago politicos stupid? Sure seems like it.

That's my point...how do they expect to close a budget shortfall with a tax when the biggest purchasers of the "taxed" item are tax exempt?

ozo · 10-09-2012, 04:19 PM

[County President Toni Preckwinkle]

Just the title/name sounds like......
compensating for a little weenie..
I apologize, but it just does !
It won't ever stop....the taxation...
on anything that comes to mind from a
greedy, anal-retentive public official.

It is the exact same thing as a professor gaining
tenure at a University.......
If he can continue acquiring grants from the guberment,
he is well respected, totally accepted, and praised
by his 'peers' of the alumni and above.....

We were warned.....decades ago....about allowing the
goober-ment to grow to immense proportion !!!!!

jack404 · 10-09-2012, 04:20 PM

hahahahaha this coulda been taken from a Aussie news paper in 1984

look where it got us!!!!

shoot the winkle ..

ozo · 10-09-2012, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jack404

hahahahaha this coulda been taken from a Aussie news paper in 1984

look where it got us!!!!

shoot the winkle ..

winkie-dinkle.....
Anyway,....
Jack, does this crap here in the US just look like dejavu to you...?
Can you say...'been there, done that"...?

firefighter1635 · 10-09-2012, 05:00 PM

This will be the experement for the rest of the Country should bozo win in Nov.

gvw3 · 10-09-2012, 05:10 PM

I heard this on the news today. I live in the far NW corner of cook county. 40 mi out of the city of Chicago. I will do the same thing I do when I buy any other item. I go out of Cook County. I live less than a mile to the south and west of 2 other County. I save 3% to buy out of Cook county.

These Chicago politicians are out of their minds. The only thing they can do is raise taxes. You can't get them out of office as they are carried but the welfare voting freeloaders.

This is why the surrounding county's are all republican.

ozo · 10-09-2012, 05:23 PM

How long do empires/civilizations last on the average....?
Are we 'due' historically.....for a major fall ??

http://larryfreeman.hubpages.com/hub...o-empires-last

Who knows.....and when is Jesus coming back ?

I see this.....we are so many now [population wise] that subconsciously
we move thru our daily life not giving a rats-ass about one another
[paraphrased] except on certain close-knit circles of peers and groups.
Whether it be church, forums, sports, etc. we really keep to ourselves...
and are bad to talk about others....behind their back.
Are we simply 'statistically' doomed.....?

ozo · 10-09-2012, 05:40 PM

What did Eisenhower know.....who inspired
and enlightened him...?

"I can think of nothing more boring for the American people than to have to sit in their living rooms for a whole half hour looking at my face on their television screens."
Dwight D. Eisenhower

"There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens cannot cure."
Dwight D. Eisenhower

"Don't join the book burners. Don't think you're going to conceal faults by concealing evidence that they ever existed. Don't be afraid to go in your library and read every book..."
Dwight D. Eisenhower

"Politics ought to be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage."
Dwight D. Eisenhower,

hobby_mesa · 10-10-2012, 09:12 AM

Since the cash cow of the smoker has nearly been bled dry, it's only logical the gov. would start making other things "incorrect" so there's less objection to heavily taxing it. Ammo, soda/fast foods coming, candy is being discussed...people should have realized waaaaay back that sitting still for exorbitant taxes on someone else that doesn't affect you right now, lays the stage for more strictures and taxes later on. Precedent has been set. So sooner or later, the gov WILL hit something you care about.

al45lc · 10-10-2012, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by norahc

That's my point...how do they expect to close a budget shortfall with a tax when the biggest purchasers of the "taxed" item are tax exempt?

I know, I was agreeing with and expounding on your point.
You hit it right on the head, they're either idiots or are using this to further their anti-gun agenda, which in point of fact makes them idiots, since history shows guns laws don't effect criminals.
I couldn't be dragged or coerced into living in that State, they're so messed up.

carver · 10-10-2012, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by al45lc

State and most municipalities don't pay taxes on police purchases.
This will only effect the law abiding citizen, since if ammo is too expensive, the outlaws will steal it.
Or there will be a 'black market' for ammo.
Honestly, are ALL Chicago politicos stupid? Sure seems like it.

If you buy that ammo off the black market, then you are a outlaw! If you disagee with the Government, then you are a terrorist!

carver · 10-10-2012, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozo

How long do empires/civilizations last on the average....?
Are we 'due' historically.....for a major fall ??

http://larryfreeman.hubpages.com/hub...o-empires-last

Who knows.....and when is Jesus coming back ?

I see this.....we are so many now [population wise] that subconsciously
we move thru our daily life not giving a rats-ass about one another
[paraphrased] except on certain close-knit circles of peers and groups.
Whether it be church, forums, sports, etc. we really keep to ourselves...
and are bad to talk about others....behind their back.
Are we simply 'statistically' doomed.....?

Good post! You are crazy like a fox!

But I already knew that!

rimmer1 · 10-10-2012, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by al45lc

State and most municipalities don't pay taxes on police purchases.
This will only effect the law abiding citizen, since if ammo is too expensive, the outlaws will steal it.
Or there will be a 'black market' for ammo.
Honestly, are ALL Chicago politicos stupid? Sure seems like it.

And when they get real stupid and slimy they send them to Washington DC.

Zhurh · 10-10-2012, 11:41 AM

Couldn't imagine living around those parts. I did visit that area many years back and it didn't seem that bad?

In Alaska, all the Dems are pro gun or they'd never get elected.

BlackEagle · 10-10-2012, 03:50 PM

If they really wanted to tackle violence with taxes, they should hit alcohol and some "music" that incite violence through words and/or sound.

millwright · 10-10-2012, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by norahc

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...ite&ocid=msnhp

Seems like the logical extension of the "Chicago ethos"; i.e. soak the hell out of those not part of the problem to fatten the rolls of those who are ! >MW

10-09-2012, 02:52 PM	#2
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,546	Re: "Violence Tax" on Guns and Ammo The morons don't understand/believe that it is men who are evil/violent, not an inanimate object! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

10-09-2012, 03:59 PM	#4
al45lc Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: colorful colorado Posts: 1,022	Re: "Violence Tax" on Guns and Ammo State and most municipalities don't pay taxes on police purchases. This will only effect the law abiding citizen, since if ammo is too expensive, the outlaws will steal it. Or there will be a 'black market' for ammo. Honestly, are ALL Chicago politicos stupid? Sure seems like it. __________________ You are what you do, when it counts.

10-09-2012, 04:19 PM	#6
ozo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 2,772	Re: "Violence Tax" on Guns and Ammo [County President Toni Preckwinkle] Just the title/name sounds like...... compensating for a little weenie.. I apologize, but it just does ! It won't ever stop....the taxation... on anything that comes to mind from a greedy, anal-retentive public official. It is the exact same thing as a professor gaining tenure at a University....... If he can continue acquiring grants from the guberment, he is well respected, totally accepted, and praised by his 'peers' of the alumni and above..... We were warned.....decades ago....about allowing the goober-ment to grow to immense proportion !!!!! __________________ http://www.nranews.com/#/nranews, "ozo. you're off your rocker sir." -johnlives4christ http://www.prisonplanet.com/ -America,Bless GOD-

10-09-2012, 04:20 PM	#7
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: "Violence Tax" on Guns and Ammo hahahahaha this coulda been taken from a Aussie news paper in 1984 look where it got us!!!! shoot the winkle ..

10-09-2012, 05:00 PM	#9
firefighter1635 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: US of A Contributor Posts: 1,838	Re: "Violence Tax" on Guns and Ammo This will be the experement for the rest of the Country should bozo win in Nov.

10-09-2012, 05:10 PM	#10
gvw3 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Chicago IL Area Contributor Posts: 3,463	Re: "Violence Tax" on Guns and Ammo I heard this on the news today. I live in the far NW corner of cook county. 40 mi out of the city of Chicago. I will do the same thing I do when I buy any other item. I go out of Cook County. I live less than a mile to the south and west of 2 other County. I save 3% to buy out of Cook county. These Chicago politicians are out of their minds. The only thing they can do is raise taxes. You can't get them out of office as they are carried but the welfare voting freeloaders. This is why the surrounding county's are all republican. __________________ Criminals advocate stronger gun laws to foster a safer work environment. This limits their exposure to risk.

10-09-2012, 05:23 PM	#11
ozo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 2,772	Re: "Violence Tax" on Guns and Ammo How long do empires/civilizations last on the average....? Are we 'due' historically.....for a major fall ?? http://larryfreeman.hubpages.com/hub...o-empires-last Who knows.....and when is Jesus coming back ? I see this.....we are so many now [population wise] that subconsciously we move thru our daily life not giving a rats-ass about one another [paraphrased] except on certain close-knit circles of peers and groups. Whether it be church, forums, sports, etc. we really keep to ourselves... and are bad to talk about others....behind their back. Are we simply 'statistically' doomed.....? __________________ http://www.nranews.com/#/nranews, "ozo. you're off your rocker sir." -johnlives4christ http://www.prisonplanet.com/ -America,Bless GOD- Last edited by ozo; 10-09-2012 at 05:32 PM..

10-09-2012, 05:40 PM	#12
ozo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 2,772	Re: "Violence Tax" on Guns and Ammo What did Eisenhower know.....who inspired and enlightened him...? "I can think of nothing more boring for the American people than to have to sit in their living rooms for a whole half hour looking at my face on their television screens." Dwight D. Eisenhower "There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens cannot cure." Dwight D. Eisenhower "Don't join the book burners. Don't think you're going to conceal faults by concealing evidence that they ever existed. Don't be afraid to go in your library and read every book..." Dwight D. Eisenhower "Politics ought to be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." Dwight D. Eisenhower, __________________ http://www.nranews.com/#/nranews, "ozo. you're off your rocker sir." -johnlives4christ http://www.prisonplanet.com/ -America,Bless GOD- Last edited by ozo; 10-09-2012 at 05:49 PM..

10-10-2012, 09:12 AM	#13
hobby_mesa V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Fort Worth Posts: 359	Re: "Violence Tax" on Guns and Ammo Since the cash cow of the smoker has nearly been bled dry, it's only logical the gov. would start making other things "incorrect" so there's less objection to heavily taxing it. Ammo, soda/fast foods coming, candy is being discussed...people should have realized waaaaay back that sitting still for exorbitant taxes on someone else that doesn't affect you right now, lays the stage for more strictures and taxes later on. Precedent has been set. So sooner or later, the gov WILL hit something you care about.

10-10-2012, 11:41 AM	#18
Zhurh Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Upper Yukon, Alaska Posts: 1,834	Re: "Violence Tax" on Guns and Ammo Couldn't imagine living around those parts. I did visit that area many years back and it didn't seem that bad? In Alaska, all the Dems are pro gun or they'd never get elected.

10-10-2012, 03:50 PM	#19
BlackEagle Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: UK Posts: 3,248	Re: "Violence Tax" on Guns and Ammo If they really wanted to tackle violence with taxes, they should hit alcohol and some "music" that incite violence through words and/or sound.