Old 6 shot revolver - The Firearms Forum

springfield9mm · 12-17-2006, 10:29 AM

OK guys,
Im new on this board and have a question. Someone gave my dad this old revolver and I have absolutely no idea what it is. I have some pics so any info would be greatly appreciated.
thanks in advance,
Dennis

22WRF · 12-17-2006, 11:27 AM

Best I can do is it's Austrian

Sederl mfg'd the Army gun Model 1870/74 (Gasser system),
But that is not yours

It is not in any of my books Pistols of the World etc

berto64 · 12-17-2006, 02:30 PM

Welcome to TFF, springer9mm.

Can you read and relay and stampings such as names, dates, or numbers on the pistol? That helps to find a starting point.

springfield9mm · 12-17-2006, 03:36 PM

The only thing I can find on the entire revolver is Patent Sederl and the number 1057.

Ursus · 12-17-2006, 07:28 PM

I think it could be a serbian copy of the Gasser revolver. Serbs made a lot of them.

southernshooter · 12-17-2006, 10:43 PM

Welcome Springfield

springfield9mm · 12-18-2006, 06:42 AM

Thanks to those who replied.....any guess on the caliber?

Ursus · 12-18-2006, 07:33 AM

Aprox. .45. Sorry, I forgot my manners: Wellcome aboard!. I hope this helps a little http://www.sunblest.net/gun/Gass80.htm

Pistolenschutze · 12-18-2006, 11:18 AM

Looks to me like you pegged it, Bear.

Welcome aboard, Springfield!

springfield9mm · 12-19-2006, 08:41 AM

Ursus,
Thanks for the great website, and to all others that answered! This revolver looks most like the M1876 Officers revolver, with the smooth cylinder, and the hexagonal barrel. Next Im going to try to find out what something like this is worth.

Ursus · 12-19-2006, 08:57 AM

Glad to help! See you around.

BIGBOOMER · 12-19-2006, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by springfield9mm

Ursus,
Thanks for the great website, and to all others that answered! This revolver looks most like the M1876 Officers revolver, with the smooth cylinder, and the hexagonal barrel. Next Im going to try to find out what something like this is worth.

Welcome aboard, springfield. That's an interesting pistol you have here. I don't think it's much like the M1876 Officers revolver, though, or for that matter anything else on the above website. However, the Montenegrin influence is obvious. I think it was probably made in one of the small gun shops in Austria in the 1880s. If it had at least proofmarks it would be a lot easier to tie down where it came from for sure. All of the Belgian guns I have seen, even from the small shops, had proofmarks, if nothing else.
The following, regarding Sederl's patent, is from A.W.F. Taylerson:

"SEDERL, T. Secured provisional protection under Br. Pat. 87/1880 (through H.J. HADDAN) for a 'Revolver with a device for automatically throwing out empty cartridge shells'.
The idea broadly anticipated the relevant part of W. FLETCHER & H.A. SILVER'S Br. Pat. 16078/1884 (q.v.) in that the falling pistol hammer struck a lever to eject rearwards the cartridge in the 'one o'clock' chamber of a revolver at each discharge. The lever could be adjusted to spare a presumably loaded cartridge at the first shot.
Sederl communicated his patent from Vienna, Austria, and the idea received some attention on the Continent. The noted Swiss firearms designer Rudolph Schmidt actually embodied such an ejector ('du systeme Krauser') in one version of the M1882 (Officers) 7.5 mm revolver which bore his name. This was rejected for service use and the writer believes that no such mechanism robust and simple enough for the field was ever evolved."

This is the only patent shown by Taylerson for Sederl. Does your revolver have any kind of mechanism that might function as described above?
Also, have you looked at the back of the cylinder, or under the grips for any proofmarks or other markings that might shed some light on this revolver?

Best regards, BIGBOOMER

springfield9mm · 12-23-2006, 09:31 AM

We have'nt taken the grips off, and I dont recall looking at the back of the cylinder for any markings. Ill tell my dad to take a closer look. I think he will be afraid to take the grip off for fear of breaking something. As for the ejecting mechanism, on the right side there is a cover that flips down, and then you manually push the rod backward to expel the spent cartridge. Thanks again for all the help on this revolver.

montenegrin · 01-29-2007, 09:15 PM

This Thomas Sederl revolver was made c.1880 in his gunshop in Vienna. Sederl was active there from 1860s to 1880s, making mostly military contract rifles and some revolvers. A nice, uncommon specimen.

12-17-2006, 10:29 AM	#1
springfield9mm Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Stokesdale, NC Posts: 8	Old 6 shot revolver OK guys, Im new on this board and have a question. Someone gave my dad this old revolver and I have absolutely no idea what it is. I have some pics so any info would be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance, Dennis Attached Images -->

12-17-2006, 11:27 AM	#2
22WRF Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pea Ridge, FL Contributor Posts: 4,251	Re: Old 6 shot revolver Best I can do is it's Austrian Sederl mfg'd the Army gun Model 1870/74 (Gasser system), But that is not yours It is not in any of my books Pistols of the World etc __________________ NRA GOA CCRKBA Happiness is a warm barrel

12-17-2006, 02:30 PM	#3
berto64 VMBB Admin Staff Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Owyhee County, Idaho Contributor Posts: 7,385	Re: Old 6 shot revolver Welcome to TFF, springer9mm. Can you read and relay and stampings such as names, dates, or numbers on the pistol? That helps to find a starting point. __________________ Be who you are & say what you will, Those that matter won't mind and those that mind don't matter. I'm a bitter clinger, One Nation Under God.

12-17-2006, 03:36 PM	#4
springfield9mm Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Stokesdale, NC Posts: 8	Re: Old 6 shot revolver The only thing I can find on the entire revolver is Patent Sederl and the number 1057.

12-17-2006, 07:28 PM	#5
Ursus Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: El Salvador, Central America. Posts: 1,030	Re: Old 6 shot revolver I think it could be a serbian copy of the Gasser revolver. Serbs made a lot of them. __________________ SI VIS PACEM, PARABELLUM.

12-17-2006, 10:43 PM	#6
southernshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Deep South Mississippi Posts: 5,943	Re: Old 6 shot revolver Welcome Springfield __________________ Only you can see this

12-18-2006, 06:42 AM	#7
springfield9mm Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Stokesdale, NC Posts: 8	Re: Old 6 shot revolver Thanks to those who replied.....any guess on the caliber?

12-18-2006, 07:33 AM	#8
Ursus Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: El Salvador, Central America. Posts: 1,030	Re: Old 6 shot revolver Aprox. .45. Sorry, I forgot my manners: Wellcome aboard!. I hope this helps a little http://www.sunblest.net/gun/Gass80.htm __________________ SI VIS PACEM, PARABELLUM.

12-18-2006, 11:18 AM	#9
Pistolenschutze Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 13,094	Re: Old 6 shot revolver Looks to me like you pegged it, Bear. Welcome aboard, Springfield! __________________ --Pistolenschutze (Pistol Shooter)

12-19-2006, 08:41 AM	#10
springfield9mm Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Stokesdale, NC Posts: 8	Re: Old 6 shot revolver Ursus, Thanks for the great website, and to all others that answered! This revolver looks most like the M1876 Officers revolver, with the smooth cylinder, and the hexagonal barrel. Next Im going to try to find out what something like this is worth.

12-19-2006, 08:57 AM	#11
Ursus Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: El Salvador, Central America. Posts: 1,030	Re: Old 6 shot revolver Glad to help! See you around. __________________ SI VIS PACEM, PARABELLUM.

12-23-2006, 09:31 AM	#13
springfield9mm Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Stokesdale, NC Posts: 8	Re: Old 6 shot revolver We have'nt taken the grips off, and I dont recall looking at the back of the cylinder for any markings. Ill tell my dad to take a closer look. I think he will be afraid to take the grip off for fear of breaking something. As for the ejecting mechanism, on the right side there is a cover that flips down, and then you manually push the rod backward to expel the spent cartridge. Thanks again for all the help on this revolver.

01-29-2007, 09:15 PM	#14
montenegrin Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3	Re: Old 6 shot revolver This Thomas Sederl revolver was made c.1880 in his gunshop in Vienna. Sederl was active there from 1860s to 1880s, making mostly military contract rifles and some revolvers. A nice, uncommon specimen.