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Marlin T · 11-23-2007, 02:24 PM

The liberals, the Godless and others that believe in multiculturalism are going to be the downfall of this country!

This reminds me of somebodys sig, "Don't wish ill upon your enemy, plan on it." or something like that. If you read the article from the Middle east quarterly, I think that you will see just how 'they' are planning and implimenting our (USA) demise.

I'm not sure this will be new news to any of you here, but it was a good for me to see into the eyes of those who want me/you/us dead or converted(period).

Nov 21, 14:17 In Some Ways, the Crux of the Matter

The Middle East Quarterly, in an article called “Should Muslims Integrate into the West?” goes to much of my thinking on the crux of the issues between political Islam, espoused by the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamist organizations-some overtly violent and some not-and the traditional immigration model that the United States and Europe have dealt with for many decades.
Certainly not all Muslims, and perhaps not even most, in this country, subscribe to the theology/ideology of political Islam. By this I mean the espousing the oneness of religion and political life. That is, that sharia law and Muslim precepts are not something that regulates the behavior between an individual and Allah, but something to be imposed by divine writ on all humanity.
One must understand the fundamental principle of political Islam in order to understand its goals. This is often not well articulated, but this article does a good job in laying out the issues.
It is because of these fundamental and irreconcilable differences that the Muslim Brotherhood, its legacy groups in the United States and Europe, and other Islamists, pose a threat to liberal democracies and why they cannot do other than try to destroy the current structures. The fundamental difference, it seems to me, is well articulated in the article. For the Muslim Brotherhood groups and those allied with them , the article notes, the rules of engagement in the West are as follows:
Regardless of sect, legal school, nationality, or political status, Muslim jurists from Arab countries have reached similar conclusions as to the proper status and role of Muslim emigrants to the West. To ban or ignore mass Muslim migration to the West would only alienate immigrants, they found. Muslim jurists concentrated instead on constructing a legal-religious framework to maintain emigrants’ Muslim identities while using the diaspora in the service of Islam.
Their judgment called upon Muslim immigrants in the West to place religious identity above national and ethnic identities and to promote the interests of a global Muslim nation.
The jurists’ consensus involved five points: First, a greater Islamic nation exists of which Muslims are members wherever they live. Second, while living in a non-Muslim society is undesirable, it might be legal on an individual basis if the immigrant acts as a model Muslim. Third, it is the duty of a Muslim in the West to reaffirm his religious identity and to distance himself from anything contrary to Islam. Hence, he should help establish and patronize mosques, Muslim schools, cultural centers, and shops. Fourth, Muslims in the West should champion the cause of the Muslim nation in the political as well as the religious sphere, for there should be no distinction between the two. Lastly, Muslims in the West should spread Islam in the declining, spiritual void of Western societies.
It is this concept of a global, super-state of Islam to which one owes one’s primary allegiance is radically different from the concept that most immigrant communities. Most came to seek a new life, jobs, opportunity and chance at the American dream The goal was not to remain separate, but to assimilate.
When one of my grandfathers migrated from Syria and the other from Sicily a century ago, they wanted to be an American, and viewed themselves as such.
One did not view himself as a papal emissary with a divine mandate to recreate the Vatican and impose the Holy Roman Empire here. The other did not view himself as responsible for creating anything other than a new life in a new land. Neither viewed themselves as separate from the society to which they chose to migrate.
Contrast this to the Islamist position:
Reaffirmation of Muslim identity involves three duties: First, it mandates unity among Muslims. In his book Islam Behind its Boundaries, Muhammad al-Ghazali, a renowned Egyptian jurist who was in charge of da’wa for Egypt’s ministry of awkaf (religious endowments), wrote that “loyalty [should be] to Islam, not to race. The brotherhood of Muslims is the first connection, even if places and times have distanced.”
Rather than looking for a new life, the Islamist migration, as articulated by Ikhwan leader Sayyid Qutb, is to send a group of pioneers out into the world, in order to prepare from afar the restitution of true Islamic reign, both in Muslim lands and then the rest of the world. The legacy of this thought is seen by the Muslim Brotherhood organizations in this country and Europe.
That is concept articulated by Qutb is somewhat different from wanting to better one’s life and that of one’s children.
Until we understand this fundamental difference of purpose, logic and goals, we will have little hope of tackling political Islam in the political arena.

posted by Douglas Farah
http://www.douglasfarah.com/article/...the-matter.com

Nighthawk · 11-23-2007, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Marlin T

Until we understand this fundamental difference of purpose, logic and goals, we will have little hope of tackling political Islam in the political arena.

posted by Douglas Farah
http://www.douglasfarah.com/article/...the-matter.com

AMEN

dcd_enterprises · 11-23-2007, 02:33 PM

Anyone who believes that these people can be gotten along with that they will do us no harm if we only make them believe that we mean them no harm--is lost. I can't even begin to describe their naiveté. It is mind boggling

358 winchester · 11-23-2007, 03:11 PM

Stock up

Pistolenschutze · 11-23-2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 358 winchester

Stock up

<-------stocking up on good scotch and Irish. Maybe I'll put away a few beans too, along with plenty of ammo!

Bruce FLinch · 11-23-2007, 07:14 PM

stock up on everything but trust in the Muslim's & Libs.

glocknut · 11-25-2007, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 358 winchester

Stock up

Ditto !!!

mike
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11-23-2007, 02:24 PM	#1
Marlin T Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Mexico Posts: 7,857	Wanted dead or converted The liberals, the Godless and others that believe in multiculturalism are going to be the downfall of this country! This reminds me of somebodys sig, "Don't wish ill upon your enemy, plan on it." or something like that. If you read the article from the Middle east quarterly, I think that you will see just how 'they' are planning and implimenting our (USA) demise. I'm not sure this will be new news to any of you here, but it was a good for me to see into the eyes of those who want me/you/us dead or converted(period). Nov 21, 14:17 In Some Ways, the Crux of the Matter The Middle East Quarterly, in an article called “Should Muslims Integrate into the West?” goes to much of my thinking on the crux of the issues between political Islam, espoused by the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamist organizations-some overtly violent and some not-and the traditional immigration model that the United States and Europe have dealt with for many decades. Certainly not all Muslims, and perhaps not even most, in this country, subscribe to the theology/ideology of political Islam. By this I mean the espousing the oneness of religion and political life. That is, that sharia law and Muslim precepts are not something that regulates the behavior between an individual and Allah, but something to be imposed by divine writ on all humanity. One must understand the fundamental principle of political Islam in order to understand its goals. This is often not well articulated, but this article does a good job in laying out the issues. It is because of these fundamental and irreconcilable differences that the Muslim Brotherhood, its legacy groups in the United States and Europe, and other Islamists, pose a threat to liberal democracies and why they cannot do other than try to destroy the current structures. The fundamental difference, it seems to me, is well articulated in the article. For the Muslim Brotherhood groups and those allied with them , the article notes, the rules of engagement in the West are as follows: Regardless of sect, legal school, nationality, or political status, Muslim jurists from Arab countries have reached similar conclusions as to the proper status and role of Muslim emigrants to the West. To ban or ignore mass Muslim migration to the West would only alienate immigrants, they found. Muslim jurists concentrated instead on constructing a legal-religious framework to maintain emigrants’ Muslim identities while using the diaspora in the service of Islam. Their judgment called upon Muslim immigrants in the West to place religious identity above national and ethnic identities and to promote the interests of a global Muslim nation. The jurists’ consensus involved five points: First, a greater Islamic nation exists of which Muslims are members wherever they live. Second, while living in a non-Muslim society is undesirable, it might be legal on an individual basis if the immigrant acts as a model Muslim. Third, it is the duty of a Muslim in the West to reaffirm his religious identity and to distance himself from anything contrary to Islam. Hence, he should help establish and patronize mosques, Muslim schools, cultural centers, and shops. Fourth, Muslims in the West should champion the cause of the Muslim nation in the political as well as the religious sphere, for there should be no distinction between the two. Lastly, Muslims in the West should spread Islam in the declining, spiritual void of Western societies. It is this concept of a global, super-state of Islam to which one owes one’s primary allegiance is radically different from the concept that most immigrant communities. Most came to seek a new life, jobs, opportunity and chance at the American dream The goal was not to remain separate, but to assimilate. When one of my grandfathers migrated from Syria and the other from Sicily a century ago, they wanted to be an American, and viewed themselves as such. One did not view himself as a papal emissary with a divine mandate to recreate the Vatican and impose the Holy Roman Empire here. The other did not view himself as responsible for creating anything other than a new life in a new land. Neither viewed themselves as separate from the society to which they chose to migrate. Contrast this to the Islamist position: Reaffirmation of Muslim identity involves three duties: First, it mandates unity among Muslims. In his book Islam Behind its Boundaries, Muhammad al-Ghazali, a renowned Egyptian jurist who was in charge of da’wa for Egypt’s ministry of awkaf (religious endowments), wrote that “loyalty [should be] to Islam, not to race. The brotherhood of Muslims is the first connection, even if places and times have distanced.” Rather than looking for a new life, the Islamist migration, as articulated by Ikhwan leader Sayyid Qutb, is to send a group of pioneers out into the world, in order to prepare from afar the restitution of true Islamic reign, both in Muslim lands and then the rest of the world. The legacy of this thought is seen by the Muslim Brotherhood organizations in this country and Europe. That is concept articulated by Qutb is somewhat different from wanting to better one’s life and that of one’s children. Until we understand this fundamental difference of purpose, logic and goals, we will have little hope of tackling political Islam in the political arena. posted by Douglas Farah http://www.douglasfarah.com/article/...the-matter.com __________________ "But the simple truth--born of experience--is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people." Judge Alex Kozinski - United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. - Thomas Paine Did you read todays GOOD shooting? >>>KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM <<< -->

11-23-2007, 02:33 PM	#3
dcd_enterprises Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Wheatland, Iowa Posts: 1,313	Re: Wanted dead or converted Anyone who believes that these people can be gotten along with that they will do us no harm if we only make them believe that we mean them no harm--is lost. I can't even begin to describe their naiveté. It is mind boggling __________________ A veteran - whether active duty, retired, National Guard or Reserve - is someone who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America" for an amount of "up to and including my life." That is honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand that - Author unknown

11-23-2007, 03:11 PM	#4
358 winchester TFF Admin Staff Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pensacola Fl. area Posts: 7,335	Re: Wanted dead or converted Stock up __________________ Administrator & Owner RangeDay.com Proud, White, Heterosexual, Gun Owning, Southern American, Christian. Any question about where I stand?

11-23-2007, 07:14 PM	#6
Bruce FLinch Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bay Point, Kali..aka Gun Point Posts: 5,016	Re: Wanted dead or converted stock up on everything but trust in the Muslim's & Libs. __________________ A bad day @ the Range, is better than a good day @ work.