Jewish Circumcision ruled assault by German court!

[ampaterry]

It's a fact, guys -
The court ruled that circumcision for religious reasons was an assault, and thus illegal.

Muslims also circumcise their children.
But the Muslims claim it is for HEALTH reasons.
Circumcision for HEALTH reasons is OK, per the court.

But the Jews circumcise their children because God directed them to, and the Jews are not going to lie about a directive of God and claim they are doing it for health reasons.

But Muslims are different; the Koran specifically allows followers to lie - and in some cases even directs them to lie, so their religious practice will continue without problem, while the Jews are blocked from following the directive of God.

All those idiots that claim the Holocaust never happened need to look closely at this. Laws against Judaism are already being passed in the SAME country that sponsored the Holocaust over seventy years ago.

Read the story HERE.

[jack404]

i know i know ...

a new age dawns in Deutschland,

a new ubermench arises ,
but it does not bear the swazticka ,

it bears the crescent over all

and enslaves or destroys all below it



and the mench are obeying there superiors ..

Gott Ein Himmel !!!

[RunningOnMT]

Uh Oh, It's starting again. I recall a quote from Winston Churchill, "The hun is either under your foot or he's at your throat". Some people just never learn.

[jack404]

seriously , it's been the old one , two combo again

PC lefties and political correctness ( new agedness and walking away from their historical faith for the new age ism's) was the one ,


islam and its demand for tolerance of its evil and its suppression of free speech is the two

weak kneed politicians just fudged it all along not wishing to upset anyone ,


and lost their nation doing so

[RunningOnMT]

A couple of recent events of which we all need to be aware:

Tony Blair has made the suggestion to Angela Merkel that Germany should underwrite europes debt. According to one person I listened to, this has dangerous implications, because if Germany did this, they would want increased influence in internal policies of other nations. The commentator implied that Germany was not quite as divorced from it's past as we would hope.

The other item is the rise of the golden dawn party in greece. This is an occult (satanic)/political movement to which many of the higher echelon German nazis were members.

Will history repeat itself? I believe so. I think a resurgence of europeon naziism combined with the islamization of europe will set the stage for end times attacks on Israel.

[MSGT-R]

Don't forget the election of a Islamic Brotherhood president of Egypt just last week. That can't bode well for Israel either..

[raven818]

Germany lost two wars they started due to regimes that were inferior in the long run.

Merkel is demanding that her voice be the only voice that matters, when it comes to who gets what in the attempt at the Euros recovery. A ground war is no longer necessary when the lives of Europe's economy, is beholden to one country's demands. She is very shrewd and dangerous.

Originally Posted by MSGT-R

Don't forget the election of a Islamic Brotherhood president of Egypt just last week. That can't bode well for Israel either..

The new prez said in a statement yesterday, he will have a female as a vice president and a Christian as a vice president. He added, they will not be symbolic positions. He said the positions will be meaningful and powerful.

If he meant that, It'd be my guess he will be stricken with some horrible disease, or a heart attack, very soon.

BTW, h. clinton says he's OK, so he must be.

Moo, Moo, Moo.

[22to12gauge]

I believe circumcison is assault, whether for religious or health purposes. The baby has no choice, he is just snipped. If one wants to be circumcised or not, no matter how gruesome or silly this may sound, they should be able to make that decision when they are older.

Infants and children have the right not to be assaulted right? They are protected under the law too?

[raven818]

Originally Posted by 22to12gauge

they should be able to make that decision when they are older.

Have to strongly disagree to your opinion on this. Waiting till you are older can create serious complications, and is dangerous.

As an adult, if your parents made to the decision to not complete a circumcision at birth, there is a risk for requiring circumcision as an adult. For some men, the decision to undergo circumcision may be associated with social or relationship issues while, for others, the decision to undergo circumcision may be based upon a medical need.

In terms of medical complications, phimosis is the most common reason an adult may undergo circumcision. When considering circumcision, however, it is important to understand what the risks and complications may be.

Adult circumcision comes with some risks. Bleeding and infection is of significant concern. In addition, adult males who undergo circumcision may also be at risk for having too much or too little foreskin removed and a change in nerve and sensation. As a result, before considering circumcision, be certain you are familiar with these health risks.

In addition to surgical risks, the time for recovery from circumcision surgery may take as long as six weeks, requiring abstinence during the recovery period. This includes absence from any sexual stimulation.

Your post-operative circumcision treatment will also require regular dressing changes using sterile gauze and petroleum jelly. The surgical site will need to be closely monitored for up to 48 hours. After the 48 hours, the surgical area will need to be washed and kept clean for about five to seven days. This type of cleaning must be necessary to avoid infection during this first 10 days, post-surgical.

In addition, if a child is not circumcised, as an adult they have a better than even chance of not being able to pull-back the foreskin as they age. The inability to draw back the foreskin WILL result in disease and a great deal of pain as the foreskin shrinks. The diseases can range from poor personal hygiene habits, and/or, sexually transmitted diseases.

As a parent, considering to circumcise or not, we must be aware of all of the issues that can arise from not doing it, and make an educated decision based on those facts.

Emotion should not enter into the decision and become the deciding factor, one way or the other.

[BradleyCole09]

I have a friend that had to get A circumcision when he joined the navy he said it was the most painful ordeal and really wished his parents would of done it when he was a baby.

[22to12gauge]

Originally Posted by raven818

Have to strongly disagree to your opinion on this. Waiting till you are older can create serious complications, and is dangerous.



In addition, if a child is not circumcised, as an adult they have a better than even chance of not being able to pull-back the foreskin as they age. The inability to draw back the foreskin WILL result in disease and a great deal of pain as the foreskin shrinks. The diseases can range from poor personal hygiene habits, and/or, sexually transmitted diseases.

As a parent, considering to circumcise or not, we must be aware of all of the issues that can arise from not doing it, and make an educated decision based on those facts.

Emotion should not enter into the decision and become the deciding factor, one way or the other.

there are always possible complications and dangers with any surgery, whether circumcised as a child or adult.

and a better than even chance for not being able to pull back foreskin? can you cite that? Because I have seen figures as low as 5%.

I am not one for interfering with family life and their decisions. I am just trying to stand up for a being that is unable to stand up for himself. Just how I believe corporal punishment should be illegal (although it already is, to a certain extent).

In my mind, circumcision is a radical preventative measure. And in regards to emotion, the basis for circumcision was founded in the church, not a science lab. and science shows that if you can simply keep your uncircumcised penis clean, there is little chance for disease.

[jack404]

if you live in a nice house with running water etc etc etc

look up medical records for soldiers modern day vietnam and newer the figures there will wake you up ..

and this is in today society with all the medical tricks we have ..

whats good for the norm aint good for all as not everyone fit's into the norm ..

[RunningOnMT]

Circumcisiuon is just preparing a baby boy for what to expect out of life. Just a minor attitude adjustment.

[raven818]

Originally Posted by 22to12gauge

and a better than even chance for not being able to pull back foreskin? can you cite that? Because I have seen figures as low as 5%.

Here, look it up yourself.

http://tinyurl.com/7nljj4y

Because I have seen figures as low as 5%.

can you cite that?

I've shown you mine, now you show me yours.

[cycloneman]

Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

Circumcisiuon is just preparing a baby boy for what to expect out of life. Just a minor attitude adjustment.

Why did God put the foreskin there if he doesn't want it there? Why would God tell you to hurt your child at birth in such a way? Or was this the old testiment, the old God?

Why is foreskin ok on animals then?

Foreskin dirty? Really?/? What exactly? Like yeast? That wouldn't have nothing to do with all the beer and diet people have hugh? Or with what they lay with?

I dont care one way or another. This is one of those things that make you ask questions about rituals passed down from long ago. Lets say someone is dirty in the mind when is God going to tell us to cut out part of a person's brain?

Sorry i dont see God creating something and then telling you to wack it cause he created something dirty.

[22to12gauge]

Originally Posted by raven818

Here, look it up yourself.

http://tinyurl.com/7nljj4y





I've shown you mine, now you show me yours.

that is fitting for this thread, lol.


a google search for "hurts when I pull foreskin back"? lol that is your data?

You can search this: http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...+i+take+a+poop and deduct that 50%+ people have pain when passing bowels.. lol


here is actual data:

"More than half a century ago Gairdner established the progression of foreskin retract-ability with age—50% retractable by age 1 year, 75% by 2 years, and 90% by age 3 years. Likewise Oster, analysing the prevalence of 'phimosis' [non-retractibility] from the age of 6 years to 17 years, documented a reduction from 8% to 1%. Therefore, non-retractability (in the absence of scarring or other abnormality) can be considered normal for males up to and including adolescence. Moreover, for a non-retractable foreskin beyond the age of 3 years, topical steroid is reported effective in up to 80% cases."

Looks like by the time an uncircumcised male is 17, only 1% are still unable to retract foreskin.

[jack404]

not to be rude but you wave that banner as your avitar

so i assume your libertarian ,

for a group that preaches free rights to do as you wish

you have a lot of very strong views for things or to restrict folks from doing stuff



i read

Since governments, when instituted, must not violate individual rights, we oppose all interference by government in the areas of voluntary and contractual relations among individuals. People should not be forced to sacrifice their lives and property for the benefit of others. They should be left free by government to deal with one another as free traders; and the resultant economic system, the only one compatible with the protection of individual rights, is the free market.

1.0 Personal Liberty

Individuals should be free to make choices for themselves and to accept responsibility for the consequences of the choices they make. No individual, group, or government may initiate force against any other individual, group, or government. Our support of an individual's right to make choices in life does not mean that we necessarily approve or disapprove of those choices.

1.1 Expression and Communication

We support full freedom of expression and oppose government censorship, regulation or control of communications media and technology. We favor the freedom to engage in or abstain from any religious activities that do not violate the rights of others. We oppose government actions which either aid or attack any religion.

1.2 Personal Privacy

Libertarians support the rights recognized by the Fourth Amendment to be secure in our persons, homes, and property. Protection from unreasonable search and seizure should include records held by third parties, such as email, medical, and library records. Only actions that infringe on the rights of others can properly be termed crimes. We favor the repeal of all laws creating “crimes” without victims, such as the use of drugs for medicinal or recreational purposes.



1.3 Personal Relationships

Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government's treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships.

but also your folks propose that parents dont have rights to say how or what happens to their kids ..

which is it ? or is it something else ? just your view ??

[22to12gauge]

Originally Posted by jack404

not to be rude but you wave that banner as your avitar

so i assume your libertarian ,

for a group that preaches free rights to do as you wish

you have a lot of very strong views for things or to restrict folks from doing stuff

like what?

babies should have the liberty to keep their foreskin..



edit: Libertarian means I respect each person as a sovereign individual protected justly under the law without prejudice. That includes infants.

[jack404]

pity they closed the sister org in denmark or holland yesterday ..

and the previos incarnation , hey gay lesbian trans bi what ever floats ya boats but kids should be left out of ALL orders

or is next exactly what we are allowed to teach our kids , no matter what the truth be ?

folks cant choose how they raise their kids but follow a manual of rules ?? written by whom ??

who the enemy is , that whatever you can think of is ok ??

no matter how perverted how sick its all good if its not jewish

yeah?

[jack404]

libertarians are funding groups who wish to silence those educating the USA about islam

thats not respecting my rights of freedom of speech , thats one sided censorship

or have we PC'd that into a new term ??

[cycloneman]

Originally Posted by ampaterry

It's a fact, guys -
The court ruled that circumcision for religious reasons was an assault, and thus illegal.

Muslims also circumcise their children.
But the Muslims claim it is for HEALTH reasons.
Circumcision for HEALTH reasons is OK, per the court.

But the Jews circumcise their children because God directed them to, and the Jews are not going to lie about a directive of God and claim they are doing it for health reasons.

But Muslims are different; the Koran specifically allows followers to lie - and in some cases even directs them to lie, so their religious practice will continue without problem, while the Jews are blocked from following the directive of God.

All those idiots that claim the Holocaust never happened need to look closely at this. Laws against Judaism are already being passed in the SAME country that sponsored the Holocaust over seventy years ago.

Read the story HERE.

Ok back to the original theme of this thread.

To walk up to a grown man and wack off any part of his penis is assault.
Doesnt matter if you did it for religious reasons, or for health reasons. There should be no double standard. That is the problem here the double standard. If your gona say it is assault then it is assault period end of story, no matter the reason.

I see Terry's point to this thread.

BTW what ever is under that forskin is also in her vagina. So for health reasons shoud we cut a ventilation hole in women so they can keep their's clean and free of disease and yeast? Wouldn't that be assult if we did this to little girls?

Yeast is in the air in your diet in the beer you drink. I find it funny when i watch grown men scratch or pinch themselves to relieve an itch thru their pants. I work with alot of grunt labor that loves to drink beer. Keep drinking your beer fellas. Just because men dont have foreskin does not mean men dont have unhealthy levels of yeast in their body. Cutting off foreskin does not stop you from a yeast explosion in your body. When yeast is out of control in your body it is your immune system at fault. Men and women alike.

STD's with or without foreskin your gona catch it.

Dirty ok, sure so is she.

[ampaterry]

Well, I sure did not intend to open a can of worms regarding parental rights!

The point was that Germany is making court rulings that favor Islam while being against Judaism.

One would think they might have learned something LAST time they went after the Jews, but apparently not.

[raven818]

Merkel and the entire German country are on a economic high. She is dictating to Europe what they can do, and not do, with their 'borrowed' Euros. Once that country starts to pump itself up, nothing, short of a slap in the face, can stop them. It must be something in the water.

Germany's population is roughly 82 million, plus. There are roughly 3 million, plus, muslums.

Germany's Jewish population is roughly 120,000.
( all above from Wiki )

It's a lot easier to push such a small population of folks around. Addressing circumcision in the courts, is really stretching it. Why? Doesn't make much sense.

[jack404]

its all part of the agenda step by step small steps allowed , always forward always towards more control until one day .... ALAH AKBAR

[ampaterry]

I see a sharp difference in what is considered an assault on a child and what is considered an assault on an adult.
If the kid ignores your repeated warning and grabs for the knife you are working with, a slap to his hand is not an assault.
If the kid screams on and on, making conversation impossible, and pays no attention to your directive to be quiet, a swat to the butt is not an assault.
If the kid does not want his vaccination, forcing it on him is not an assault.
If the kid does not want to be quiet in church, forcing him to is not an assault.
All of these situations are part of child training.
But you are not given authority to train an adult, and either would be assault in that case.

As for the health reasons for this, I got this from the Mayo Clinic. Some of it is identified as unproven, but some has been proven imperically:

Easier hygiene. Circumcision makes it simpler to wash the penis. Washing beneath the foreskin of an uncircumcised penis is generally easy, however.

Decreased risk of urinary tract infections. The overall risk of urinary tract infections in males is low, but these infections might be more common in uncircumcised males. Severe infections early in life can lead to kidney problems later on.

Prevention of penile problems. Occasionally, the foreskin on an uncircumcised penis can be difficult or impossible to retract (phimosis). This can lead to inflammation of the foreskin or head of the penis.

Decreased risk of penile cancer. Although cancer of the penis is rare, it's less common in circumcised men. In addition, cervical cancer is less common in the female sexual partners of circumcised men.

Decreased risk of sexually transmitted infections. Circumcised men might have a lower risk of certain sexually transmitted infections, including HIV. Still, safe sexual practices remain essential.