Who ownes the US debt? You? Me? You might be surprised! - The Firearms Forum

mjp28 · 02-02-2012, 02:54 PM

1. Federal Reserve and Intragovernmental Holdings U.S. debt holdings: $6.328 trillion
That’s right, the biggest single holder of U.S. government debt is the Federal Reserve system.

2. China U.S. debt holdings: $1.132 trillion
The largest foreign holder of U.S. Treasury securities, China currently has $1.132 trillion in American debt, although it is down from all time highs of $1.173 trillion in July 2011.

3. Other Investors/Savings Bonds U.S. debt holdings $1.107 trillion
With the most recent numbers from June 2011, this extremely diverse group includes individuals, government-sponsored enterprises, brokers and dealers, bank personal trusts, estates, savings bonds, corporate and noncorporate businesses for a total of $1.107 trillion.

4. Japan U.S. debt holdings: $1.038 trillion

5. Pension Funds U.S. debt holdings: $842.2 billion

6. Mutual Funds U.S. debt holdings: $653.5 billion

7. State and Local Governments U.S. debt holdings: $484.4 billion

8. The United Kingdom U.S. debt holdings: $429.4 billion

9. Depository Institutions U.S. debt holdings: $284.5 billion This group includes commercial banks, savings banks and credit unions.

10. Insurance Companies U.S. debt holdings: $250.1 billion This group includes property-casualty and life insurance firms.

mjp28 · 02-02-2012, 02:57 PM

That's right, basically you and I own the US debt in one way or another.

And the Chinese barely beat out Japan....contrary to what most people think.

cycloneman · 02-02-2012, 03:00 PM

they wouldn't be holding it if you and i were not working.

it only take one domino to fall

mjp28 · 02-02-2012, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cycloneman

they wouldn't be holding it if you and i were not working.

it only take one domino to fall

Scary?

Haligan · 02-02-2012, 10:21 PM

mjp28

I thank you for bringing this up for discussion. I want you to understand, that I am one who understands this issue very, very, well.
Seriously, this is an issue that is being used around the world to get countries and citizens to give up their sovernty to pay back this fraudulant debt. Now, that being said when "they" come to you, me or any other U.S. citizen and say this is YOUR debt, Pay me. This short little video clip should be approximatly your responce.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICZ06gYpu6w

By the way, I'm not kidding this is what Iceland said to the banksters.

Infowars.com

Ron Paul 2012

cycloneman · 02-02-2012, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haligan

mjp28

I thank you for bringing this up for discussion. I want you to understand, that I am one who understands this issue very, very, well.
Seriously, this is an issue that is being used around the world to get countries and citizens to give up their sovernty to pay back this fraudulant debt. Now, that being said when "they" come to you, me or any other U.S. citizen and say this is YOUR debt, Pay me. This short little video clip should be approximatly your responce.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICZ06gYpu6w

By the way, I'm not kidding this is what Iceland said to the banksters.

Infowars.com

Ron Paul 2012

Yep

I did not authorise that 16 trillion dollar debt that will only get worse cause they are gona need more money. They can kiss my behind.

Inthewind1976 · 02-03-2012, 04:01 AM

Thats exactly what is WRONG with the entire concept of the Federal Reserve System - basically, the US economy is "owned" by the Federal Reserve, and the FR is NOT the US GOVERNMENT - its basically an incorporation of various PRIVATELY HELD BANKS...........Go to YouTube and search Federal Reserve and watch some of the snippets there - there is one that is rather long - almost 2 hours if I remember correctly - that will explain the FR in detail, and it will scare the CRAP outta you.........

gvw3 · 02-03-2012, 10:00 AM

These guys can spend money like my wife...

Ed~ · 02-04-2012, 02:24 AM

Yup. The same year that a private bank called Federal Reserve received the exclusive right to create "legal tender" and loan it to the US Government, the Internal Revenue Service was instituted to ensure that the loan will be paid back to the private bank.

Sounds like a racket doesn't it? The bank was created by the Rothschilds, Warburgs and Rockefellers. These powerful families pushed the Federal Reserve Act through Congress in 1913 and made damn well sure they would be paid by every working American.

So, yes, average folks are just now starting to see the truth of this matter.

With regard to where the debt is held... it really matters not. The leash of debt is illusory only to the extent that each and every one of us still wishes our "hard-earned dollars" to continue to be worth something. If you give up the illusion of dollars and debt, you are also giving up the stability of a shared illusion. That, more than anything else, frightens people.

But you have to be willing to let old things go in order to allow a new system to come into play.

howlnmad · 02-04-2012, 05:20 AM

Will they take a check?

USNative · 02-04-2012, 06:43 PM

Just plain ridiculous and it don't go away very soon!

02-02-2012, 02:54 PM	#1
mjp28 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: anytown, OHIO Contributor Posts: 3,199	Who ownes the US debt? You? Me? You might be surprised! 1. Federal Reserve and Intragovernmental Holdings U.S. debt holdings: $6.328 trillion That’s right, the biggest single holder of U.S. government debt is the Federal Reserve system. 2. China U.S. debt holdings: $1.132 trillion The largest foreign holder of U.S. Treasury securities, China currently has $1.132 trillion in American debt, although it is down from all time highs of $1.173 trillion in July 2011. 3. Other Investors/Savings Bonds U.S. debt holdings $1.107 trillion With the most recent numbers from June 2011, this extremely diverse group includes individuals, government-sponsored enterprises, brokers and dealers, bank personal trusts, estates, savings bonds, corporate and noncorporate businesses for a total of $1.107 trillion. 4. Japan U.S. debt holdings: $1.038 trillion 5. Pension Funds U.S. debt holdings: $842.2 billion 6. Mutual Funds U.S. debt holdings: $653.5 billion 7. State and Local Governments U.S. debt holdings: $484.4 billion 8. The United Kingdom U.S. debt holdings: $429.4 billion 9. Depository Institutions U.S. debt holdings: $284.5 billion This group includes commercial banks, savings banks and credit unions. 10. Insurance Companies U.S. debt holdings: $250.1 billion This group includes property-casualty and life insurance firms. -->

02-02-2012, 02:57 PM	#2
mjp28 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: anytown, OHIO Contributor Posts: 3,199	Re: Who ownes the US debt? You? Me? You might be surprised! That's right, basically you and I own the US debt in one way or another. And the Chinese barely beat out Japan....contrary to what most people think.

02-02-2012, 03:00 PM	#3
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,428	Re: Who ownes the US debt? You? Me? You might be surprised! they wouldn't be holding it if you and i were not working. it only take one domino to fall __________________ Who are you going to serve today?

02-02-2012, 10:21 PM	#5
Haligan Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: FEMA Region II Posts: 1,900	Re: Who ownes the US debt? You? Me? You might be surprised! mjp28 I thank you for bringing this up for discussion. I want you to understand, that I am one who understands this issue very, very, well. Seriously, this is an issue that is being used around the world to get countries and citizens to give up their sovernty to pay back this fraudulant debt. Now, that being said when "they" come to you, me or any other U.S. citizen and say this is YOUR debt, Pay me. This short little video clip should be approximatly your responce. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICZ06gYpu6w By the way, I'm not kidding this is what Iceland said to the banksters. Infowars.com Ron Paul 2012 __________________ "He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falshoods and errors." - Thomas Jefferson

02-03-2012, 04:01 AM	#7
Inthewind1976 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Central Pennsylvania Posts: 533	Re: Who ownes the US debt? You? Me? You might be surprised! Thats exactly what is WRONG with the entire concept of the Federal Reserve System - basically, the US economy is "owned" by the Federal Reserve, and the FR is NOT the US GOVERNMENT - its basically an incorporation of various PRIVATELY HELD BANKS...........Go to YouTube and search Federal Reserve and watch some of the snippets there - there is one that is rather long - almost 2 hours if I remember correctly - that will explain the FR in detail, and it will scare the CRAP outta you.........

02-03-2012, 10:00 AM	#8
gvw3 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Chicago IL Area Contributor Posts: 3,457	Re: Who ownes the US debt? You? Me? You might be surprised! These guys can spend money like my wife...

02-04-2012, 02:24 AM	#9
Ed~ V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: AridZona Posts: 171	Re: Who ownes the US debt? You? Me? You might be surprised! Yup. The same year that a private bank called Federal Reserve received the exclusive right to create "legal tender" and loan it to the US Government, the Internal Revenue Service was instituted to ensure that the loan will be paid back to the private bank. Sounds like a racket doesn't it? The bank was created by the Rothschilds, Warburgs and Rockefellers. These powerful families pushed the Federal Reserve Act through Congress in 1913 and made damn well sure they would be paid by every working American. So, yes, average folks are just now starting to see the truth of this matter. With regard to where the debt is held... it really matters not. The leash of debt is illusory only to the extent that each and every one of us still wishes our "hard-earned dollars" to continue to be worth something. If you give up the illusion of dollars and debt, you are also giving up the stability of a shared illusion. That, more than anything else, frightens people. But you have to be willing to let old things go in order to allow a new system to come into play. __________________

02-04-2012, 05:20 AM	#10
howlnmad Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Harriman, Tn Contributor Posts: 2,636	Re: Who ownes the US debt? You? Me? You might be surprised! Will they take a check? __________________

02-04-2012, 06:43 PM	#11
USNative V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Montana Posts: 373	Re: Who ownes the US debt? You? Me? You might be surprised! Just plain ridiculous and it don't go away very soon! __________________ WINCHESTER....Hail To The King Baby!!! "A man has an inborn right to bear arms. Any government claiming a "right" to regulate a "right" is the definition of a tyranny !!!"