I'll show you mine if . . . - The Firearms Forum

JohnnyRobotic · 03-04-2004, 07:36 PM

you show me yours?

This is the sks i just got, added a 30 round fixed mag and also a burris fullfield 2 3-9x which is so far serving very well but i need a more precise sighting in.

glocknut · 03-05-2004, 01:17 AM

I'll get arround to taking pics one of these days.....

Both the digital cam and this computer give me fits.....

mike

SouthernMoss · 03-05-2004, 07:52 AM

Nice, JR!

1952Sniper · 03-05-2004, 09:08 AM

I would highly advise losing that hi-cap detachable magazine and putting the 10-round mag back on. Your weapon, as shown, is legally classified as a "semi-automatic assault weapon", and is in violation of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, as well as section 922(r).

It's a nice looking rifle, though. Don't get me wrong... I do like it! I just don't want to see you getting into any trouble over it.

But since you did show me yours and asked to see mine.... here ya go. These are just my Yugoslavian models. Two M59/66's and two M59s.

JohnnyRobotic · 03-05-2004, 12:01 PM

it's not a detachable mag it's a fixed mag with bigger capacity, is that still illegal?

1952Sniper · 03-05-2004, 12:30 PM

Heh heh, I missed the "fixed" part. So it's OK under the '94 AWB. But it's still a 922(r) violation.

Here's an FAQ page that I hope will help explain it: http://members.ispwest.com/LESchwart...#FIXED_DISCUSS

The pertinent part is as follows:

Quote:

Is a 20-round fixed magazine a “Large Capacity Military Magazine”?

It has always been assumed that fixed magazines were not considered “Large Capacity Military Magazines” by ATF. However, ATF has recently said: “SKS rifles capable of accepting a large capacity ammunition-feeding device are prohibited from importation. Therefore, modifying an SKS to accept a large capacity ammunition-feeding device would be a violation of 922 (r).”

Caution should be used with regard to large capacity fixed magazines capable of holding more than ten rounds.

I have seen the BATF letter that he refers to.

The author of that FAQ has done extensive research into the legalities of the SKS, including a lot of detailed correspondence with the BATF. The general link for his FAQ page is http://members.ispwest.com/LESchwartz/SKS-FAQ.html .

03-05-2004, 12:58 PM

Great guns, the first picture posted here look's like a portion of it's design is from the Ak-47 wood design. Most of the rifles here are European, yes?

And if so, why would there be such a collection of European rifles? Because they are near vintages, harder to get compared to North American rifles? And I assume cost?

Anyone here have modern military use rifles?

1952Sniper · 03-05-2004, 01:10 PM

Modern military rifles are not generally available to the public. For close to 50 years now, the standard-issue small arms of the US military are select-fire weapons.

Fortunately for us collectors, foreign militaries are selling off their old stockpiles of bolt-action and semi-auto small arms. They are imported here to the US and sold for MUCH less than you could buy American-made firearms.

03-05-2004, 01:44 PM

I'm uncertain where I see the logic there. It's not as if US military rifles are any different then other world military rifles. Is there any information on why such a ban on public distribution of US military rifles was issued?

And buying foreign rifles is purely legal...

1952Sniper · 03-05-2004, 02:40 PM

I'm not saying that US rifles are banned. I'm just saying that select-fire weapons are severely restricted to the public, per the National Firearms Act of 1934. Since US weaponry has been select-fire for almost 50 years now, there hasn't been a lot of surplus firearms making its way into the civilian market. And besides, the US Government likes to sell off surplus arms to other friendly countries.

The M1 Garands we were seeing in Haiti are a good example.

Some surplus US weapons are available, especially through programs like the Civilian Marksmanship Program, where I bought my M1 Garand. They also have 03A3s and other USGI small arms.

Foreign select-fire weapons are also prohibited here. This is why you don't see many real AK-47s here. All the foreign rifles we import have to meet strict guidelines for "sporting purposes" or be designated as Curio & Relics by the BATF. Incidentally, the "sporting purposes" clause is part of the section 922(r) that I referred to earlier. It is illegal to modify an imported rifle into a configuration that is banned from importation as being non-sporting. SKS's with detachable magazines (or hi-cap mags) are non-sporting, according to the BATF. Therefore, it is illegal to modify an SKS into that configuration.

I'm not really sure what you're confused about.

03-05-2004, 03:29 PM

I was confused about why America would allow importation of rifles, and decide to ban sells/surplus rifles (US rifles) to it's citizens. But apparently it's not as I thought it was.

Thanks for the information.

wundudnee · 03-05-2004, 08:15 PM

Here's mine, I have since added a 1939 91-30 and I'm going to get a Yugo SKS before all the pretty ones are gone.

03-04-2004, 07:36 PM	#1
JohnnyRobotic V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wareham, Massachusetts Posts: 265	I'll show you mine if . . . you show me yours? This is the sks i just got, added a 30 round fixed mag and also a burris fullfield 2 3-9x which is so far serving very well but i need a more precise sighting in. -->

03-05-2004, 01:17 AM	#2
glocknut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: THE FORUM MASCOTT... Posts: 12,482	I'll get arround to taking pics one of these days..... Both the digital cam and this computer give me fits..... mike __________________ Where O where are you tonight? Why have you gone and left me alone? I searched to world over and a thought i found true love... You met another and PTThhh you were gone....

03-05-2004, 07:52 AM	#3
SouthernMoss Admin Tech Staff Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: SW MS Contributor Posts: 10,651	Nice, JR! __________________ My Second protects your First "I declare to you that woman must not depend upon the protection of man, but must be taught to protect herself, and there I take my stand." - Susan B Anthony

03-05-2004, 09:08 AM	#4
1952Sniper Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 5,138	I would highly advise losing that hi-cap detachable magazine and putting the 10-round mag back on. Your weapon, as shown, is legally classified as a "semi-automatic assault weapon", and is in violation of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, as well as section 922(r). It's a nice looking rifle, though. Don't get me wrong... I do like it! I just don't want to see you getting into any trouble over it. But since you did show me yours and asked to see mine.... here ya go. These are just my Yugoslavian models. Two M59/66's and two M59s. Attached Images Last edited by 1952Sniper; 03-05-2004 at 09:09 AM..

03-05-2004, 02:40 PM	#10
1952Sniper Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 5,138	I'm not saying that US rifles are banned. I'm just saying that select-fire weapons are severely restricted to the public, per the National Firearms Act of 1934. Since US weaponry has been select-fire for almost 50 years now, there hasn't been a lot of surplus firearms making its way into the civilian market. And besides, the US Government likes to sell off surplus arms to other friendly countries. The M1 Garands we were seeing in Haiti are a good example. Some surplus US weapons are available, especially through programs like the Civilian Marksmanship Program, where I bought my M1 Garand. They also have 03A3s and other USGI small arms. Foreign select-fire weapons are also prohibited here. This is why you don't see many real AK-47s here. All the foreign rifles we import have to meet strict guidelines for "sporting purposes" or be designated as Curio & Relics by the BATF. Incidentally, the "sporting purposes" clause is part of the section 922(r) that I referred to earlier. It is illegal to modify an imported rifle into a configuration that is banned from importation as being non-sporting. SKS's with detachable magazines (or hi-cap mags) are non-sporting, according to the BATF. Therefore, it is illegal to modify an SKS into that configuration. I'm not really sure what you're confused about. Last edited by 1952Sniper; 03-05-2004 at 02:42 PM..

03-05-2004, 12:01 PM	#5
JohnnyRobotic V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wareham, Massachusetts Posts: 265	it's not a detachable mag it's a fixed mag with bigger capacity, is that still illegal?

03-05-2004, 12:58 PM	#7
KTX Adnanced Senior Member Posts: n/a	Great guns, the first picture posted here look's like a portion of it's design is from the Ak-47 wood design. Most of the rifles here are European, yes? And if so, why would there be such a collection of European rifles? Because they are near vintages, harder to get compared to North American rifles? And I assume cost? Anyone here have modern military use rifles?

03-05-2004, 01:10 PM	#8
1952Sniper Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 5,138	Modern military rifles are not generally available to the public. For close to 50 years now, the standard-issue small arms of the US military are select-fire weapons. Fortunately for us collectors, foreign militaries are selling off their old stockpiles of bolt-action and semi-auto small arms. They are imported here to the US and sold for MUCH less than you could buy American-made firearms.

03-05-2004, 01:44 PM	#9
KTX Adnanced Senior Member Posts: n/a	I'm uncertain where I see the logic there. It's not as if US military rifles are any different then other world military rifles. Is there any information on why such a ban on public distribution of US military rifles was issued? And buying foreign rifles is purely legal...

03-05-2004, 03:29 PM	#11
KTX Adnanced Senior Member Posts: n/a	I was confused about why America would allow importation of rifles, and decide to ban sells/surplus rifles (US rifles) to it's citizens. But apparently it's not as I thought it was. Thanks for the information.

03-05-2004, 08:15 PM	#12
wundudnee V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Perry, Kansas USA Posts: 315	Here's mine, I have since added a 1939 91-30 and I'm going to get a Yugo SKS before all the pretty ones are gone.