Why Import Workers Now?

[the morning light]

I have to agree with Pat on this one! The open borders crowd don't give a hoot if we had 20% or 30% unemployment, they still want people coming in, legal or illegal it doesn't matter to them! Why?

Why Import Workers Now?
By Patrick J. Buchanan
December 8th, 2009
At last week's Job Summit, there was talk of a second stimulus package, of tax credits for small businesses that hire new workers, of an Infrastructure Bank to select national priority pubic works projects like the Hoover Dam and TVA of yesteryear.

But no one, it seems, advanced the one obvious idea that would have the most immediate and dramatic impact -- a moratorium on all immigration into the United States.

Unemployment is at 10 percent, near the postwar high of 1983. Fifteen million Americans are out of work. Ten million more have given up looking or are working fewer hours than they would like.

We have been losing jobs every month for two years.

Why, then, are we still bringing immigrants into the United States at a rate of 125,000 a month to take jobs from fellow Americans and compete with our unemployed for the jobs that open up?

In the last year, 1.5 million new immigrants have come to take up residence and been issued work permits. Probably twice as many jobs have been taken by these folks as the 650,000 the Obamaites claim were saved or created by their $787 billion stimulus package. How do Democrats justify this?

How can they justify bringing in another 1.5 immigrants in 2010 and another 1.5 million in 2011, when 25 million Americans they are supposed to represent are unemployed or underemployed?

If Obama voters feel disillusioned do they not have valid reason?

As for illegal aliens, it is estimated that 8 million still hold jobs in the United States. Endlessly we are told that these hardworking folks are just doing jobs that Americans refuse to do.

But Middle American News has taken a look at the Census Bureau data. In almost all the occupations to which unskilled and semi-skilled illegal aliens gravitate, native-born Americans hold most of the jobs.

U.S. citizens account for well over half of all housekeepers, maids, taxi drivers and chauffeurs in the U.S., almost two-thirds of all the butchers, meat processors and ground maintenance and construction workers, and three-fourths of all porters, bellhops and janitors.

We are told that many if not most of these are "dead-end jobs" Americans do not want or will not take. Yet, how can that be true when American citizens are already doing most of these jobs?

As related here in October, USA Today found that, invariably, when U.S. authorities raid a plant site where hundreds of illegals are working, and send them packing, hundreds of Americans show up and apply for the jobs. Is this not as it should be, if we are looking out for our own people first? And isn't that what a family does, or should do?

Why, then, is the Obama administration cutting back on jobsite raids and inspections? Why is the administration talking of moving in 2010 to legalize the status of the 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens in the United States?

Is putting illegal aliens on the path to citizenship a higher priority for this Obama crowd than opening up jobs for American workers?

Are the K Street lobbyists whose corporate bosses cannot get enough low-wage labor that powerful? Are the Hispanic lobbies like La Raza and MALDEF, with their charges of "nativist" and "xenophobe," so intimidating the Democratic Party cannot stand up to them?

Two weeks ago, The Washington Post, focusing on unemployment among young African-American males, wrote, "Joblessness for 16- to 24-year-old black men has reached Great Depression proportions -- 34.5 percent in October, more than three times the rate for the general U.S. population."

More than one-third of all young black males are unemployed.

Which raises a question. Where is the Black Caucus?

Here are folks who favor preferential treatment for their black constituents over white Americans -- i.e., affirmative action. But they go mute when it comes to immigrants coming and taking jobs and illegal aliens holding down 8 million of those jobs that could be going to the unemployed in their own community.

Nor is it only working-class Americans who are being shouldered aside by the annual flood tide of immigrants.

As Jerry Woodruff, editor of Middle American News, writes: "Immigrants are taking good, high-paying jobs from highly skilled Americans. The Census Bureau found that 34 percent of all software engineers ... are immigrants. Yet, the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers reports that 48,000 U.S. software engineers are unemployed."

If Obama wants to take executive action to assist Americans out looking for work, he could take two strong and effective steps.

First, call on Congress to vote a moratorium on immigration until the unemployment rate falls below 6 percent. Second, instruct Homeland Security and the Justice Department to renew the raids and enforce the law against employers who are taking jobs from Americans by illegally hiring undocumented aliens.

If Obama did that, suddenly folks would sit up and say, as they did after Ronald Reagan busted the air controllers, "This man is serious."

[bcj1755]

The 'Bama Bunch won't do a damn thing to stop the illegals. They want MORE of them to show up. That way, when they give the illegals instant amnesty and citizenship, they get a few million more Democrat votes for the 2010 and 2012 elections. Plus, since we're destined to be part of the North American Union, Barry is just trying to get us desensitized to the flood of people coming up here from Mexico.

[40CalJoe]

Why import workers now? To cement permanent power for the Democratic Party by finding a way for these non US citizens to vote. Thats about the only right they don't have now.

[the morning light]

Maybe if this keeps up, in 20 years we'll have a permanent Democratic Socialist government and that wouldn't be good!

[bcj1755]

Originally Posted by the morning light

Maybe if this keeps up, in 20 years we'll have a permanent Democratic Socialist government and that wouldn't be good!

20 years? Being a bit optimistic there? I'm expecting a Democratic Socialist gov't to be in place well before the end of Barry's first term.

[the morning light]

Originally Posted by bcj1755

20 years? Being a bit optimistic there? I'm expecting a Democratic Socialist gov't to be in place well before the end of Barry's first term.

I hope not!

[dons2346]

There are jobs that Americans think "they are to good for" such as working in the strawberry fields, picking lettuce, cleaning hotel rooms, working in car washes, etc. Those are the jobs that no American wants. Americans feel they have to have the 25-30 buck an hour job and menial task jobs cannot pay that wage.

I'm not saying that I support the immigrant worker but there are jobs here in the US that Americans do not want and will not do.

This was evident back in the 80's when a big stink was made about the migrants picking berries in the Southern California fields. People were all twisted up because they were taking jobs away from Americans. immigration raided the fields and sent the migrants back to Mexico. Americans took the jobs but most of them didn't last the day. A lot of berries rotted in the fields.

[JohnBrainard]

Originally Posted by dons2346

There are jobs that Americans think "they are to good for" such as working in the strawberry fields, picking lettuce, cleaning hotel rooms, working in car washes, etc. Those are the jobs that no American wants. Americans feel they have to have the 25-30 buck an hour job and menial task jobs cannot pay that wage.

I'm not saying that I support the immigrant worker but there are jobs here in the US that Americans do not want and will not do.

This was evident back in the 80's when a big stink was made about the migrants picking berries in the Southern California fields. People were all twisted up because they were taking jobs away from Americans. immigration raided the fields and sent the migrants back to Mexico. Americans took the jobs but most of them didn't last the day. A lot of berries rotted in the fields.

Even if what you say is true, the economy is significantly different now than it was in the 80s.

[dons2346]

Even if what you say is true, the economy is significantly different now than it was in the 80s.

Ok, if you were out of a job,would you go pick berries in a muddy field for minimum wage?

I know for sure the story about the strawberries as we lived in Orange County, CA during that time. It was on the news and in the local papers. Basically whitey couldn't hack the hard labor.

[JohnBrainard]

Originally Posted by dons2346

Even if what you say is true, the economy is significantly different now than it was in the 80s.

Ok, if you were out of a job,would you go pick berries in a muddy field for minimum wage?

I know for sure the story about the strawberries as we lived in Orange County, CA during that time. It was on the news and in the local papers. Basically whitey couldn't hack the hard labor.

Darn right I would! I have a family to feed. I'm not going to let my pride get in the way of doing that.

[Big ugly]

Same here but you know how it is these days. Blue coller dont mean Chit any more. They are teaching our kids in middleschool now that factory work is for the dregs of society and the white coller jobs are where it is at. This is bull Chit and everyone damn well knows it. Think about this for a minute. 10 years ago in the tech schools throughout the US they were teaching things like Carpentry and Masonry and Construction and the priciples that go along with it. Not no more it is Buisness management anll that BS.

[el gato]

The New World Order. One World, One Government, One Leader! Wonder who that might be?

[GMFWoodchuck]

Maybe when these illegals get legalized and become a part of the system they'll see what will benefit them the most. Surely they won't see the democratic socialist party to their advantage. Most of the ones I've come accross are a very hard working bunch. Perhaps when they see their paychecks taxed to the death and therefore aren't able to send any back home they'll be a little peeved and maybe vote our way.

Call it wishful thinking, but sometimes it's all I have. The feds aren't slowing the flow of illegals so maybe we can try to get them on our side when they become legal.

[GMFWoodchuck]

Originally Posted by el gato

The New World Order. One World, One Government, One Leader! Wonder who that might be?

Not Obama. The other leaders will never stand behind someone who can't even talk on the fly and therefore needs a teleprompter wherever he goes. Hugo Chavez would become leader of the NWO before "can't think of what to say next" Obama.

[GMFWoodchuck]

Originally Posted by dons2346

Even if what you say is true, the economy is significantly different now than it was in the 80s.

Ok, if you were out of a job,would you go pick berries in a muddy field for minimum wage?

I know for sure the story about the strawberries as we lived in Orange County, CA during that time. It was on the news and in the local papers. Basically whitey couldn't hack the hard labor.

If I was out of a job I would most certainly pick berries in a field. I would do anything to support my family. We, as Americans, are not above any source of income. This is a major failed lesson that our schools have not taught our children.

As far as "Whitey" not being able to hack the hard labor, remember this much. Would you pick berries in a field for less than minimum wage when you could go get a job for far more money an hour at walmart? The issue is not whether or not "whitey" will work. But will he get what he could doing anything else? Will his employer have him on the books? Will he be covered by insurance in case of an accident? All common sense questions that one asks him/herself before accepting a job offer.

The whole illegals issue still falls to the root of the problem. People hiring people for less than what they are worth. Our government need to be going after employers who hire illegals. The illegals won't come if there's no work. And the "lowly" job wages will have to improve in order to find legal help. My ultimate point is that illegals aren't the problem. They are the symptom of the problem. Crooked businesses illegally hiring below wages and not paying any taxes/social security/etc are the real problem. No different than during the beginings of our industrial revolution.

[ampaterry]

I like the illegal Mexicans I have met.
They work their butts off for less than minimum wage.
They pack ten guys in a pickup, thirty in a small house, split expenses and send $$ back to Mexico to support their families.
I know of NOT ONE CASE where an unemployed US citizen has asked for one of the jobs they do at the pay they receive, so I do not think illegals are the problem here -

And they are predominantly Christian.

[ampaterry]

GMF, I was talking to someone who hires illegals.
He said there is a government form he fills out on each one and keeps in his file.
IF the INS ever nabs one of his people, he shows them that he has properly filled out this form, and he is immune from prosecution thereby. Sort of a 'get-out-of-jail-free' card.

Imagine that.
Our government has a FORM for employers to use if they want to hire ILLEGALS!!!

Good grief!
Do you suppose they have a form to fill out that will protect you from prosecution if you drive the get-away car in a bank robery?

[GMFWoodchuck]

Originally Posted by ampaterry

I like the illegal Mexicans I have met.
They work their butts off for less than minimum wage.
They pack ten guys in a pickup, thirty in a small house, split expenses and send $$ back to Mexico to support their families.
I know of NOT ONE CASE where an unemployed US citizen has asked for one of the jobs they do at the pay they receive, so I do not think illegals are the problem here -

And they are predominantly Christian.

Seems like ESP was at work when I wrote this at the same time as you.

[GMFWoodchuck]

Originally Posted by ampaterry

GMF, I was talking to someone who hires illegals.
He said there is a government form he fills out on each one and keeps in his file.
IF the INS ever nabs one of his people, he shows them that he has properly filled out this form, and he is immune from prosecution thereby. Sort of a 'get-out-of-jail-free' card.

Imagine that.
Our government has a FORM for employers to use if they want to hire ILLEGALS!!!

Good grief!
Do you suppose they have a form to fill out that will protect you from prosecution if you drive the get-away car in a bank robery?

They do. It's called working for the IRS.

Like Don King says "ONLY IN AMERICA!!!"

[ampaterry]

Originally Posted by GMFWoodchuck

Seems like ESP was at work when I wrote this at the same time as you.

Great minds - - -

[rocklinskier]

I get very angry when I hear the line "doing jobs Americans won't do"

BULL

I've done it. I've worked in 115 degree metal buildings, on roofs in the middle of summer, underneath houses, in attics in the middle of summer, in open unheated buildings in the middle of winter, and yes, even some farm work in my younger days. The difference is, I filed and payed taxes on that money, and my wife and kids did not receive housing substinance, food stamps, or special bi-lingual teachers that were deemed 'neceassary' for their education. All of which I might add, are at the tax payers expense. I paid for my own rent, medical coverage, and so forth.

I have been on too many jobs where these "hard working abused illegals" have undercut, undermined and illegally destroyed the working wage of legitimate citizens. I have personally seen these folks give false SSN's, and false address. I have seen them steal material at night from a project and then try to sell it back to the very guy they are working for in the morning. (Yes, we actually set up a 'watch and wait' and caught them in the act)

The worst of it, (in the cases where they are not working for cash) the ring leader will split up the pay among all on paper so that little to no withholding is taken, then they all sign their checks over to him. He then doles out their real pay, usually less than $20/ day.

Now, do I hate Mexicans, or any other? NO. I am not prejudice. But I do hate seeing American tax paying workers gettting screwed by the system. Thee are clear and ready laws to persacute employers for this type of activity, but it is never or rarely taken to task. As someone said, too many votes for the lib bunch. Why do you think they are trying to give illegals drivers licenses and rights to vote. Does anybody understand what an ILLEGAL alien is??

If you think illegal workers are a benefit to this country, you are sadly mistaken. Add up the lost taxes, the substidized benefits, etc. and you will see that the true cost is scary.

California Corrections report that 25% of all CA inmates are illegal aliens. Put that into the equation.

[Trouble 45-70]

Originally Posted by rocklinskier

I get very angry when I hear the line "doing jobs Americans won't do"

BULL

I've done it. I've worked in 115 degree metal buildings, on roofs in the middle of summer, underneath houses, in attics in the middle of summer, in open unheated buildings in the middle of winter, and yes, even some farm work in my younger days. The difference is, I filed and payed taxes on that money, and my wife and kids did not receive housing substinance, food stamps, or special bi-lingual teachers that were deemed 'neceassary' for their education. All of which I might add, are at the tax payers expense. I paid for my own rent, medical coverage, and so forth.

I have been on too many jobs where these "hard working abused illegals" have undercut, undermined and illegally destroyed the working wage of legitimate citizens. I have personally seen these folks give false SSN's, and false address. I have seen them steal material at night from a project and then try to sell it back to the very guy they are working for in the morning. (Yes, we actually set up a 'watch and wait' and caught them in the act)

The worst of it, (in the cases where they are not working for cash) the ring leader will split up the pay among all on paper so that little to no withholding is taken, then they all sign their checks over to him. He then doles out their real pay, usually less than $20/ day.

Now, do I hate Mexicans, or any other? NO. I am not prejudice. But I do hate seeing American tax paying workers gettting screwed by the system. Thee are clear and ready laws to persacute employers for this type of activity, but it is never or rarely taken to task. As someone said, too many votes for the lib bunch. Why do you think they are trying to give illegals drivers licenses and rights to vote. Does anybody understand what an ILLEGAL alien is??

If you think illegal workers are a benefit to this country, you are sadly mistaken. Add up the lost taxes, the substidized benefits, etc. and you will see that the true cost is scary.

California Corrections report that 25% of all CA inmates are illegal aliens. Put that into the equation.

Same thing you said.

[walien]

Why import workers now?

Probably because the United States doesn't graduate enough US citizens to fill the needs of companies who rely on these people. Without foreign workers, the US wouldn't have enough scientists, engineers, doctors, etc, to do the work. None of these people, save for a few who's skills are deemed in the national interest, can take the jobs of Americans. Part of that immigration process is being able to show that they're getting paid market wages in that region and that the company can't hire a qualified worker.

Immigration in this country is 100% necessary. The US colleges are filled with foreign nationals. The US economy depends on a number of them staying. Without it, US companies would not be able to execute.

I can certainly understand people's problems with illegal immigration. Both parties have done a useless job of dealing with it, but the author is talking about all types of immigration and he's quite wrong in his arguments.

I know of NOT ONE CASE where an unemployed US citizen has asked for one of the jobs they do at the pay they receive, so I do not think illegals are the problem here -

And they are predominantly Christian.

I've met people who have lost their jobs because of illegals. Driving down the wage rate is not a healthy thing for an economy. There are plenty of people who jobs in industries like construction to support their family, but can't get one because the employer wants to hire someone to pay them illegally. They should all be put in jail.

They might be Christian, but they're criminals.

[Big ugly]

Amp I have to put in my two peso's here. I have been out of work for several months now and I dont see any prospect in the near future either. I will take anything that comes along. I have worked jobs that most americans wont to. You wanna know why nobody dont want to do these jobs. SOCIETY, need to see it again, SOCIETY. The populace of this faltering nation has found its new love. Big Buisness. There is no room for teaching basic skills in our schools that will help in the factories here in the US. When you are teaching Freshman in high school that factory jobs are lowclass jobs and you dont want a low class job. What are we supposed to do here.We have a new God here in the USS of A and it is MADE IN CHINA!!!!

[ampaterry]

Originally Posted by walien

Probably because the United States doesn't graduate enough US citizens to fill the needs of companies who rely on these people. Without foreign workers, the US wouldn't have enough scientists, engineers, doctors, etc, to do the work. None of these people, save for a few who's skills are deemed in the national interest, can take the jobs of Americans. Part of that immigration process is being able to show that they're getting paid market wages in that region and that the company can't hire a qualified worker.

Immigration in this country is 100% necessary. The US colleges are filled with foreign nationals. The US economy depends on a number of them staying. Without it, US companies would not be able to execute.

I can certainly understand people's problems with illegal immigration. Both parties have done a useless job of dealing with it, but the author is talking about all types of immigration and he's quite wrong in his arguments.



I've met people who have lost their jobs because of illegals. Driving down the wage rate is not a healthy thing for an economy. There are plenty of people who jobs in industries like construction to support their family, but can't get one because the employer wants to hire someone to pay them illegally. They should all be put in jail.

They might be Christian, but they're criminals.

This all sounds very good.

But I have worked at a company that laid off US engineers, then hired immigrant engineers. I have worked with engineers from Russia, China and India following laying off American engineers. These people were LESS skilled than the engineers whose jobs they took. The impetus for this, of course, was lower salaries. There probably IS some law on the books requiring wages to be commensurate with the area, but this was at France and Kingston, both Scott Fetzer companies owned by Buffet, and located in the hinterland of TN. In an area whose major activity is raising tobacco, ANY wage is probably within any guidelines set out by the Fed.

Professional people in the US require a wage sufficient to repay their student loans, and these imports are undercutting them. IMHO, any company that has laid off an American professional person should be BARRED from hiring a foreign professional to replace them.