Gays in the military - - The Firearms Forum

ampaterry · 09-22-2011, 07:26 AM

OK, it is now the rule - and a navy officer immediately married his gay partner.

Without even getting into the morality of this, I have a more mundane question.
How do the services plan to handle the shower/locker room/bathroom facilities? They can not, and never have, expected men and women to shower together. If a man and a woman cannot shower together due to sexual concerns, how can a straight man be forced to shower with a gay man, or same for straight and gay woman? Are all bases, ships, military facilities now going to double the number of facilities to accomodate this latest social experiment?

But wait, it gets worse -
If this separation is to prevent possible sexual activity, you can't have gay's showering together either -
So we end up with a private bathroom/shower facility for each service member?
As Dirty Harry said, "That is a he77 of a price to pay for being stylish!"

Palmetto · 09-22-2011, 09:11 AM

George Washington kicked them out of his army when they were discovered. If they are here to stay in the military, I think that they should serve in their own regiments away from straight people. If they want to misbehave while on duty, they should have to pay the price just like a straight person.

Willie · 09-22-2011, 09:23 AM

A few years ago my lesbian step-doughter and her mate toured the Grand Canyon. She told me that the people were seperated so they could pee etc. So.........the lesbian girls were with the straight girls......kind of the same prob as talked about in this thread. I always thought that was wrong. But the girls must have liked it. Sad stuff.

USMCSpeedy · 09-22-2011, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Palmetto

George Washington kicked them out of his army when they were discovered. If they are here to stay in the military, I think that they should serve in their own regiments away from straight people. If they want to misbehave while on duty, they should have to pay the price just like a straight person.

I can see it now. A whole battalion of guys in pink camo.

cycloneman · 09-22-2011, 09:53 AM

not long and you will be able to marry your dog

i am not joking. I recall going to channel 4 news some 15 years ago for a show on anti hunting. These people actuall thought that in the future humans will be able to talk to animals. Give them an inch you know

carver · 09-22-2011, 12:28 PM

It's no longer a sin, it's an alternative life style!

Or so they say!

jbmid1 · 09-22-2011, 12:56 PM

According to the guidance we have received so far, no arrangements will be made concerning living situations, bathrooms. or showers.

Python · 09-22-2011, 01:15 PM

Soap on a rope is definitely going to make a big comeback at the PX.

carver · 09-22-2011, 01:23 PM

How long do you think it will be before someone gets court martialed, and I'm talking about a homosexual getting court marrialed!

hogger129 · 09-22-2011, 02:13 PM

What happens when it's shower time? Are they going to put the gay men in with the straight men? Last time I checked, the men don't get to bunk with the women. Why should the gays get to bunk with the straights? I think this is a bad idea to end DADT.

hogger129 · 09-22-2011, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cycloneman

not long and you will be able to marry your dog

i am not joking. I recall going to channel 4 news some 15 years ago for a show on anti hunting. These people actuall thought that in the future humans will be able to talk to animals. Give them an inch you know

It will open up the door to pedophiles too.

retired grunt · 09-22-2011, 02:24 PM

Is Not happy about this. Nor are any of the troops I have had private conversations with.

ampaterry · 09-22-2011, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Python

Soap on a rope is definitely going to make a big comeback at the PX.

LOL!!!

EVERYONE drops the soap now and then.
A large job for the Latrine orderly will now be picking up all those un-retrieved bars.

But seriously; I don't see how they can be mixed right in with the straights and NOT cause tons of problems -

I like the idea of a Swish Brigade with Pink Camo, though! Sounds quite stylish.

Bobitis · 09-22-2011, 06:21 PM

To play devils advocate...

I don't see where the shower scene has any relevance in the matter.
If the guy/gal wants to lather themselves into contortions, it doesn't matter who they are bathing with. They're gonna do it anyway (and most likely get their butt handed to them).

The arguement seems to become violent when a battle field scenario is interjected (gay person losing it). Were I in that situation, I wouldn't care less if my fellow soldier was gay or not.

The fact is, gays have served in our military from the beginning. And they have served honorably. The only difference is, we never knew it.

They were brothers/sisters in arms when we didn't know. So what's different now?

cycloneman · 09-22-2011, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobitis

To play devils advocate...

I don't see where the shower scene has any relevance in the matter.
If the guy/gal wants to lather themselves into contortions, it doesn't matter who they are bathing with. They're gonna do it anyway (and most likely get their butt handed to them).

The arguement seems to become violent when a battle field scenario is interjected (gay person losing it). Were I in that situation, I wouldn't care less if my fellow soldier was gay or not.

The fact is, gays have served in our military from the beginning. And they have served honorably. The only difference is, we never knew it.

They were brothers/sisters in arms when we didn't know. So what's different now?

I hear ya Bob. So we have some fags in the military. The real problem is the bonehead in DC.

permafrost · 09-22-2011, 07:52 PM

i was listening to a captain on the radio who had just been discharged for being gay. He kept refering to the life style as a"calling". As in "Now the gays can live their calling." Like it was some higher purpose or something. I resented him refering to it like that. Jeez!

hogger129 · 09-22-2011, 08:15 PM

Well I could care less if they're gay. I take issue with it when they want all this recognition, special rights, special this special that for being gay.

rentalguy1 · 09-22-2011, 09:15 PM

I find it funny how people who have never, ever been around homosexuals think that they all run around wearing pink panties and lipstick. You act as if every gay man would butt rape you given a split second of a chance. I used to think the same junk. It just ain't so. I'm straight, and I haven't been around vast numbers of homosexuals, but I've been around enough to know that they don't view EVERY other person of the same sex as a piece of tail. All the men don't prance around like you see on most of the TV shows that portray gay dudes, and some (if not many) are probably way more manly that most of the guys on this forum. If the guy can carry your wounded self to the aid station, then what business is it of yours who he sleeps with?

Python · 09-22-2011, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobitis

They were brothers/sisters in arms when we didn't know. So what's different now?

Maybe because we know?

Python · 09-22-2011, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by USMCSpeedy

I can see it now. A whole battalion of guys in pink camo.

New military Slogan... Roses are red, violets are blue, we love our Sargent and his privates too.

A.Wildman · 09-22-2011, 11:03 PM

hi folks, have not posted in quite a while, just lurking around the corner, butt

my first duty station had open showers, whenever two, three or more were in these communal showers "Mickey Gay" would get in the shower with us, every time he would get an erection and everyone of us cleared out, except "John Doe" several months later he and "John Doe" were no longer present, we found out that that "J.D." was being "serviced" and got caught. their discharges were processed in minutes, i thought it was disgusting then and still do, i do believe there is no place in this modern Military for gays or lesbians to serve openly, the DADT worked just fine, should keep it that way.

Infidel · 09-23-2011, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by hogger129

It will open up the door to pedophiles too.

In the military??? Really???? You need to look up the difference btwn a fag and a pedophile. I have gay family members and they are not pedophiles. Unless you bring a statistic showing that there are more gay pedophiles per capita that straight pedos, I suggest you retract that statement.

Infidel · 09-23-2011, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by hogger129

Well I could care less if they're gay. I take issue with it when they want all this recognition, special rights, special this special that for being gay.

And then I read this and assume that you were being sarcastic in you above post. Please explain?

Infidel · 09-23-2011, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by rentalguy1

I find it funny how people who have never, ever been around homosexuals think that they all run around wearing pink panties and lipstick. You act as if every gay man would butt rape you given a split second of a chance. I used to think the same junk. It just ain't so. I'm straight, and I haven't been around vast numbers of homosexuals, but I've been around enough to know that they don't view EVERY other person of the same sex as a piece of tail. All the men don't prance around like you see on most of the TV shows that portray gay dudes, and some (if not many) are probably way more manly that most of the guys on this forum. If the guy can carry your wounded self to the aid station, then what business is it of yours who he sleeps with?

Exactly!!

I served 85-88, we had gays, we knew who they were. We didn't care as long as they didn't get all flaming and try to set themselves apart from the rest of us. The Army is a team. We are all green. If you wanted to be pink, try broadway. You wanted to serve in a combat unit, put on the camo and blend in like everybody else. No room for sexual hang-ups when your trying to live through the next action. I have no prejudice.

BETH · 09-23-2011, 01:15 AM

there are millions of gays out there, lawyers,doctors,vets etc they don't let people know because they could get fired or people would stop coming to see them. Do you think the doctor that is gay is going to tell u before he does a colonostopy,no. my brother was gay and i work with gays and they are not flaming just regular people, u cannot pick who your heart falls in love with. the gay guys at work are not cking out all the other guys they just want to do their work and go home just like u or i what they do in their own house is there business. should i tell a black person not to marry a white person should i tell a fat person not to marry a skinny person there is someone out their for everyone if u follow your heart-live and let live

09-22-2011, 07:26 AM	#1
ampaterry TFF Admin Staff Chaplain Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: West Tennessee Contributor Posts: 6,376	Gays in the military - OK, it is now the rule - and a navy officer immediately married his gay partner. Without even getting into the morality of this, I have a more mundane question. How do the services plan to handle the shower/locker room/bathroom facilities? They can not, and never have, expected men and women to shower together. If a man and a woman cannot shower together due to sexual concerns, how can a straight man be forced to shower with a gay man, or same for straight and gay woman? Are all bases, ships, military facilities now going to double the number of facilities to accomodate this latest social experiment? But wait, it gets worse - If this separation is to prevent possible sexual activity, you can't have gay's showering together either - So we end up with a private bathroom/shower facility for each service member? As Dirty Harry said, "That is a he77 of a price to pay for being stylish!" __________________ Reason given by one of Obama's more intellectual supporters when asked why she voted for him: *"He gave me a PHONE!!"* -->

09-22-2011, 09:11 AM	#2
Palmetto V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: North Carolina Posts: 188	Re: Gays in the military - George Washington kicked them out of his army when they were discovered. If they are here to stay in the military, I think that they should serve in their own regiments away from straight people. If they want to misbehave while on duty, they should have to pay the price just like a straight person.

09-22-2011, 09:23 AM	#3
Willie Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Galveston,TX Contributor Posts: 1,004	Re: Gays in the military - A few years ago my lesbian step-doughter and her mate toured the Grand Canyon. She told me that the people were seperated so they could pee etc. So.........the lesbian girls were with the straight girls......kind of the same prob as talked about in this thread. I always thought that was wrong. But the girls must have liked it. Sad stuff. __________________ Willie West End Electric Galveston Electricians

09-22-2011, 09:53 AM	#5
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,434	Re: Gays in the military - not long and you will be able to marry your dog i am not joking. I recall going to channel 4 news some 15 years ago for a show on anti hunting. These people actuall thought that in the future humans will be able to talk to animals. Give them an inch you know __________________ Who are you going to serve today? Last edited by cycloneman; 09-22-2011 at 09:55 AM..

09-22-2011, 12:28 PM	#6
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,542	Re: Gays in the military - It's no longer a sin, it's an alternative life style! Or so they say! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

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jbmid1 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,081	Re: Gays in the military - According to the guidance we have received so far, no arrangements will be made concerning living situations, bathrooms. or showers.

09-22-2011, 01:15 PM	#8
Python Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Arizona Posts: 677	Re: Gays in the military - Soap on a rope is definitely going to make a big comeback at the PX.

09-22-2011, 01:23 PM	#9
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,542	Re: Gays in the military - How long do you think it will be before someone gets court martialed, and I'm talking about a homosexual getting court marrialed! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

09-22-2011, 02:13 PM	#10
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,078	Re: Gays in the military - What happens when it's shower time? Are they going to put the gay men in with the straight men? Last time I checked, the men don't get to bunk with the women. Why should the gays get to bunk with the straights? I think this is a bad idea to end DADT. __________________ Samuel Adams once said, "among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can."

09-22-2011, 02:24 PM	#12
retired grunt V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Northern NY Posts: 416	Re: Gays in the military - Is Not happy about this. Nor are any of the troops I have had private conversations with.

09-22-2011, 06:21 PM	#14
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: Gays in the military - To play devils advocate... I don't see where the shower scene has any relevance in the matter. If the guy/gal wants to lather themselves into contortions, it doesn't matter who they are bathing with. They're gonna do it anyway (and most likely get their butt handed to them). The arguement seems to become violent when a battle field scenario is interjected (gay person losing it). Were I in that situation, I wouldn't care less if my fellow soldier was gay or not. The fact is, gays have served in our military from the beginning. And they have served honorably. The only difference is, we never knew it. They were brothers/sisters in arms when we didn't know. So what's different now? __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

09-22-2011, 07:52 PM	#16
permafrost Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Oklahoma, USA Contributor Posts: 1,776	Re: Gays in the military - i was listening to a captain on the radio who had just been discharged for being gay. He kept refering to the life style as a"calling". As in "Now the gays can live their calling." Like it was some higher purpose or something. I resented him refering to it like that. Jeez! __________________ Stand and Fight

09-22-2011, 08:15 PM	#17
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,078	Re: Gays in the military - Well I could care less if they're gay. I take issue with it when they want all this recognition, special rights, special this special that for being gay. __________________ Samuel Adams once said, "among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can."

09-22-2011, 09:15 PM	#18
rentalguy1 Former Guest Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: The mountains of NE TN. Posts: 884	Re: Gays in the military - I find it funny how people who have never, ever been around homosexuals think that they all run around wearing pink panties and lipstick. You act as if every gay man would butt rape you given a split second of a chance. I used to think the same junk. It just ain't so. I'm straight, and I haven't been around vast numbers of homosexuals, but I've been around enough to know that they don't view EVERY other person of the same sex as a piece of tail. All the men don't prance around like you see on most of the TV shows that portray gay dudes, and some (if not many) are probably way more manly that most of the guys on this forum. If the guy can carry your wounded self to the aid station, then what business is it of yours who he sleeps with?

09-22-2011, 11:03 PM	#21
A.Wildman Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 16	Re: Gays in the military - hi folks, have not posted in quite a while, just lurking around the corner, butt my first duty station had open showers, whenever two, three or more were in these communal showers "Mickey Gay" would get in the shower with us, every time he would get an erection and everyone of us cleared out, except "John Doe" several months later he and "John Doe" were no longer present, we found out that that "J.D." was being "serviced" and got caught. their discharges were processed in minutes, i thought it was disgusting then and still do, i do believe there is no place in this modern Military for gays or lesbians to serve openly, the DADT worked just fine, should keep it that way.

09-23-2011, 01:15 AM	#25
BETH Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: naugatuck,Ct. Contributor Posts: 6,686	Re: Gays in the military - there are millions of gays out there, lawyers,doctors,vets etc they don't let people know because they could get fired or people would stop coming to see them. Do you think the doctor that is gay is going to tell u before he does a colonostopy,no. my brother was gay and i work with gays and they are not flaming just regular people, u cannot pick who your heart falls in love with. the gay guys at work are not cking out all the other guys they just want to do their work and go home just like u or i what they do in their own house is there business. should i tell a black person not to marry a white person should i tell a fat person not to marry a skinny person there is someone out their for everyone if u follow your heart-live and let live