When will you people learn? - The Firearms Forum

satellite66 · 06-20-2007, 03:20 PM

This is on the Neal Boortz site today.

It has happened again. Some unarmed fool acted in self defense when confronted by someone with a gun. This one happened in Metairie, Louisiana. You drive through Metairie on the way from the airport to the French Quarter. A woman was at the Arby's drive-thru with her 17-year-old son in the car. Suddenly a man walked up to the car. He had a gun. He pointed the gun at the woman and demanded her money and the car. He reached inside and tried to grab the woman out of the car. At this point the 17-year-old grabbed the gun and started wrestling with the perp. The gun went off. Nobody hit. The kid then got the gun and immediately squeezed off a few shots into the man who had attacked his mother. The perp is now in the hospital. Gunshot wounds in the head and torso.

What was this 17-year-old thinking? He's just a kid! He's not trained to handle someone with a gun! Doesn't he know that he was supposed to just sit there and watch his mother get shot? Come on, folks! You are not supposed to defend yourself! I mean, even the mere suggestion that you should try to defend yourself is enough to get your butt in a crack!

The local sheriff got it right. He said that it's always safer to cooperate. Just give them the money and the keys. It doesn't matter if the man was in the process of assaulting your mother. She should have given him the money and keys in the first place. She deserved to be roughed up a bit!

Get with the program folks! Self-defense is a selfish act of individualism. Surrender. Comply. Be a good Ameican. Baaaaa, baaaaaa.
Neal Boortz

Deputy Dawg · 06-20-2007, 03:56 PM

I say the kid did the right thing. If everone would fight back i wonder if the robber would be so brave next time.

Bruce FLinch · 06-20-2007, 10:00 PM

Neal's sarcasm is right on point. Not only are the cops not obligated to protect you, It is easier for them to come clean up & make out paperwork after you have bent over & succumbed to the will of the criminal.

durk · 06-20-2007, 10:41 PM

Sounds like the perp was working for the sheriff!

Rommelvon · 06-21-2007, 01:20 AM

Hope the mom and kid went out and bought new pistols and plan on taking a course...does my heart good to see criminal scum get capped

Ursus · 06-21-2007, 06:48 AM

To some cops, it seems that a civilian defending himself makes them look bad.

rosierita · 06-21-2007, 06:57 AM

WTG SON!!

Don Buckbee · 06-21-2007, 09:56 AM

Liberals will NEVER learn. But, conservatives are capable of learning.

satellite66 · 06-21-2007, 10:29 AM

The politicians are afraid that if we fight back against street criminals next thing you know we will fight back against the real criminals, them.

rosierita · 06-21-2007, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by satellite66

The politicians are afraid that if we fight back against street criminals next thing you know we will fight back against the real criminals, them.

say it aint so!

Deputy Dawg · 06-21-2007, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ursus

To some cops, it seems that a civilian defending himself makes them look bad.

Just for the record I do not feel that way.I believe in self defense for all law abiding citizens.

bunnyhunter12 · 06-21-2007, 02:02 PM

I'd be in a jail cell right now for attempted murder if I defended myself in that way. Sad state of affairs when a person is not supposed nor allowed to protect his mother and defend himself.

Don Buckbee · 06-21-2007, 02:12 PM

People are dreaming if they think the police are ready and waiting at every crime scene, so they can protect the innocent. Police respond as fast as they can. But, during the time between the call to the police, and their arrival, lots of nasty crap happens.
The ONLY solution for honest citizens is to be armed and able to defend themselves during the time it takes police to arrive. That time can vary from minutes to hours, depending on the location of the crime.
Ultimately, the individual is responsible for his own well being, not the police.

bunnyhunter12 · 06-21-2007, 02:16 PM

Don, that's very true, but did you ever notice how the police ARE just around the corner when you miss a stop sign, or when your friend gets too drunk and pees outside the bar? Hmm, my smileys won't work, I'll do it manually

henry0reilly · 06-21-2007, 07:43 PM

METAIRIE, La. -- A 17-year-old boy foiled an attempted carjacking, wrestling a gun from a would-be robber and shooting him after the man grabbed his mother, authorities said.

Carl Chestnut, wounded in the head and torso, will face armed robbery charges once he is released from East Jefferson General Hospital, Col. John Fortunato, a Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office spokesman, said Monday.

The woman and her son were in the drive-through line at an Arby's Roast Beef Restaurant Monday when Chestnut, 44, walked up and pointed a gun at her.

When he leaned inside, trying to yank the mother out of the car, the 17-year-old grabbed the gun, Fortunato said. Once the youth got the gun, he shot Chestnut several times, Fortunato said.

Sylena Rhodes, a corporate officer for Arby's, said, ''He saved his mother's life. He's a hero. He's an absolute hero.''

Carjacking suspect is linked to killing

METAIRIE, La. (AP) - Kenner Police say 44-year-old Carl Chestnut, the suspect in a carjacking who was shot in a Metairie restaurant drive-through after a 17-year-old in the car wrestled away a gun, is wanted in an unrelated killing.

Police have issued first-degree murder and aggravated burglary warrants for Chestnut in connection with the death of 60-year-old Odrey Bordelon, a trailer park manager found strangled in his home June fifth. They also are seeking a second suspect, 50-year-old Wayne Hayden, who is still at large.

Kenner police Detective Michael Cunningham says investigators developed information pointing to Chestnut as a suspect in the case within hours of the killing and secured a search warrant for a DNA sample a few days later. But they hadn't been able to track him down

The Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office say Chestnut was shot when he tried to carjack a 53-year-old Kenner woman and her son.

06-20-2007, 03:20 PM	#1
satellite66 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Central NJ Posts: 2,068	When will you people learn? This is on the Neal Boortz site today. It has happened again. Some unarmed fool acted in self defense when confronted by someone with a gun. This one happened in Metairie, Louisiana. You drive through Metairie on the way from the airport to the French Quarter. A woman was at the Arby's drive-thru with her 17-year-old son in the car. Suddenly a man walked up to the car. He had a gun. He pointed the gun at the woman and demanded her money and the car. He reached inside and tried to grab the woman out of the car. At this point the 17-year-old grabbed the gun and started wrestling with the perp. The gun went off. Nobody hit. The kid then got the gun and immediately squeezed off a few shots into the man who had attacked his mother. The perp is now in the hospital. Gunshot wounds in the head and torso. What was this 17-year-old thinking? He's just a kid! He's not trained to handle someone with a gun! Doesn't he know that he was supposed to just sit there and watch his mother get shot? Come on, folks! You are not supposed to defend yourself! I mean, even the mere suggestion that you should try to defend yourself is enough to get your butt in a crack! The local sheriff got it right. He said that it's always safer to cooperate. Just give them the money and the keys. It doesn't matter if the man was in the process of assaulting your mother. She should have given him the money and keys in the first place. She deserved to be roughed up a bit! Get with the program folks! Self-defense is a selfish act of individualism. Surrender. Comply. Be a good Ameican. Baaaaa, baaaaaa. Neal Boortz __________________ “Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not” — Thomas Jefferson. "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948 -->

06-20-2007, 03:56 PM	#2
Deputy Dawg Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Central Texas Gulf Coast Posts: 2,229	Re: When will you people learn? I say the kid did the right thing. If everone would fight back i wonder if the robber would be so brave next time. __________________ LOCK and LOAD................................... GOD, GUNS,GUTS the three that keep us FREE!!!!

06-20-2007, 10:00 PM	#3
Bruce FLinch Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bay Point, Kali..aka Gun Point Posts: 5,016	Re: When will you people learn? Neal's sarcasm is right on point. Not only are the cops not obligated to protect you, It is easier for them to come clean up & make out paperwork after you have bent over & succumbed to the will of the criminal. __________________ A bad day @ the Range, is better than a good day @ work.

06-20-2007, 10:41 PM	#4
durk Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 2,026	Re: When will you people learn? Sounds like the perp was working for the sheriff! __________________ Durk

06-21-2007, 01:20 AM	#5
Rommelvon Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Goldsboro, NC Posts: 1,452	Re: When will you people learn? Hope the mom and kid went out and bought new pistols and plan on taking a course...does my heart good to see criminal scum get capped __________________ When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. --Thomas Jefferson American By Birth, Southern By The Grace Of God Deo vindice "Duty is the most sublime word in our language. Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more. You should never wish to do less.” Robert E Lee

06-21-2007, 06:48 AM	#6
Ursus Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: El Salvador, Central America. Posts: 1,030	Re: When will you people learn? To some cops, it seems that a civilian defending himself makes them look bad. __________________ SI VIS PACEM, PARABELLUM.

06-21-2007, 06:57 AM	#7
rosierita Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 5,218	Re: When will you people learn? WTG SON!! __________________

06-21-2007, 09:56 AM	#8
Don Buckbee Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 712	Re: When will you people learn? Liberals will NEVER learn. But, conservatives are capable of learning. __________________ Don JPFO NRA Benefactor Member NSSA Life Member

06-21-2007, 10:29 AM	#9
satellite66 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Central NJ Posts: 2,068	Re: When will you people learn? The politicians are afraid that if we fight back against street criminals next thing you know we will fight back against the real criminals, them. __________________ “Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not” — Thomas Jefferson. "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

06-21-2007, 02:02 PM	#12
bunnyhunter12 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Posts: 1,090	Re: When will you people learn? I'd be in a jail cell right now for attempted murder if I defended myself in that way. Sad state of affairs when a person is not supposed nor allowed to protect his mother and defend himself. __________________ Quaerite Prime Regnum Dei~ Official motto of Newfoundland If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government --and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws. -- Edward Abbey in Abbey's Road, p.39 (Plume, 1979) -Smitty

06-21-2007, 02:12 PM	#13
Don Buckbee Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 712	Re: When will you people learn? People are dreaming if they think the police are ready and waiting at every crime scene, so they can protect the innocent. Police respond as fast as they can. But, during the time between the call to the police, and their arrival, lots of nasty crap happens. The ONLY solution for honest citizens is to be armed and able to defend themselves during the time it takes police to arrive. That time can vary from minutes to hours, depending on the location of the crime. Ultimately, the individual is responsible for his own well being, not the police. __________________ Don JPFO NRA Benefactor Member NSSA Life Member Last edited by Don Buckbee; 06-21-2007 at 02:14 PM..

06-21-2007, 02:16 PM	#14
bunnyhunter12 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Posts: 1,090	Re: When will you people learn? Don, that's very true, but did you ever notice how the police ARE just around the corner when you miss a stop sign, or when your friend gets too drunk and pees outside the bar? Hmm, my smileys won't work, I'll do it manually __________________ Quaerite Prime Regnum Dei~ Official motto of Newfoundland If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government --and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws. -- Edward Abbey in Abbey's Road, p.39 (Plume, 1979) -Smitty

06-21-2007, 07:43 PM	#15
henry0reilly Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 553	c/p of the related articles METAIRIE, La. -- A 17-year-old boy foiled an attempted carjacking, wrestling a gun from a would-be robber and shooting him after the man grabbed his mother, authorities said. Carl Chestnut, wounded in the head and torso, will face armed robbery charges once he is released from East Jefferson General Hospital, Col. John Fortunato, a Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office spokesman, said Monday. The woman and her son were in the drive-through line at an Arby's Roast Beef Restaurant Monday when Chestnut, 44, walked up and pointed a gun at her. When he leaned inside, trying to yank the mother out of the car, the 17-year-old grabbed the gun, Fortunato said. Once the youth got the gun, he shot Chestnut several times, Fortunato said. Sylena Rhodes, a corporate officer for Arby's, said, ''He saved his mother's life. He's a hero. He's an absolute hero.'' Carjacking suspect is linked to killing METAIRIE, La. (AP) - Kenner Police say 44-year-old Carl Chestnut, the suspect in a carjacking who was shot in a Metairie restaurant drive-through after a 17-year-old in the car wrestled away a gun, is wanted in an unrelated killing. Police have issued first-degree murder and aggravated burglary warrants for Chestnut in connection with the death of 60-year-old Odrey Bordelon, a trailer park manager found strangled in his home June fifth. They also are seeking a second suspect, 50-year-old Wayne Hayden, who is still at large. Kenner police Detective Michael Cunningham says investigators developed information pointing to Chestnut as a suspect in the case within hours of the killing and secured a search warrant for a DNA sample a few days later. But they hadn't been able to track him down The Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office say Chestnut was shot when he tried to carjack a 53-year-old Kenner woman and her son. __________________ The only Thing necessary for Evil to Triumph is that Good Men do Nothing. Recruit someone for the NRA today!