CCW view points - The Firearms Forum

Big ugly · 08-15-2009, 05:46 AM

I have been on this forum for a little while now and I have met some good people. I have even seen good people go. I understand the 2nd and I understand the reason for personal protection. I can even grasp the point of stopping power. What I cant get is the obsession with carring more than one side arm at a time.How many villians are some of you supermen think you are gonna get at a time. I got my home protection gun, I got my carry gun(that I dont carry cuz I dont need to yet) my wife has her carry gun. I dont own a Howitzer pointed at the front door waiting for the gypsters to come barging in. I simply dont see the need for more than one side arm on a person at a single time. Some of you folks tell it like you have your sidearms accorsized to match your out fit your wearing ofr the day. (hey honey does this Taurus Judge clash with these jeans).
Carry one and collect the rest. I know the crap is gonna hit the propeller soon enough but damn man, paranoid tendacies will give you a twitch. Besides, if you that paranoid you need to get you a better gun cuz when the poopie flys you most likely be facing assult rifles with your 45 Acp. Gee I wonder which one is more accurate out to a hundred yards.

Crpdeth · 08-15-2009, 06:01 AM

I dunno... I would never carry more than one, but I cant judge anyone who does. I mean heck, I back up my computer files "just in case", I have insurance "just in case".... I don't own a custom Kimber, but I have seen them jam, more than once... Might be nice to have a back up, just in case.

100 yards? That's running distance, not fighting distance.

Crpdeth

glocknut · 08-15-2009, 06:39 AM

Maybe not cary more than one at a time but maybe carry different size guns depending on the weather and or type of clothing at the time...

mike
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ponycar17 · 08-15-2009, 07:54 AM

The fascination with having different firearms for different clothing scenarios is easy. You need to carry something. I view carrying like this. Carry as large a gun as possible but always carry something. If you only own one carry gun, make it something that you'll always carry. That's simple... Most people disagree.

So, if I'm not wearing a jacket or bulky clothes I carry a KelTec P3AT. It will always be there. I'm not paranoid about printing with it, which can get you into trouble where I live and it's not uncomfortable with tighter/dressier clothes.

If I'm wearing looser clothes and no jacket, I'll pocket a Kahr PM40. It's a bit larger and consequently has more firepower than the .380 choice.

If I'm wearing a jacket in the winter I'll carry a Taurus PT145 at the largest. It has more capacity and knockdown power than the two previously mentioned pistols and isn't at risk of exposure in a jacket.

If in the truck, and I'm carrying a pocket pistol I'll usually have something larger in the center console as a pocket pistol can't be easily extracted while sitting. I know a guy that witnessed a robbery of a fast-food restaurant recently while sitting in his car at the drive-thru after midnight. The thieves could have easily chosen to rob him as they ran past his opened window. Access is everything.

I don't find that very complicated or over-the-top. As far as having a firearm located where you'll likely have access to it, consider the following fact. 77% of violent crimes occur in public places. The shotgun at home does little if you're not armed in public. A criminal isn't going to wait until you're ready for an attack. If you're wife is carrying a pistol in her purse, answer the question as to what the criminal will try to acquire first from your wife in a robbery. It's good that she's armed but her purse is still risky as a carry location. An attack is going to be off-guard. It's not like when I throw a ball to my two-year old son, wait for his hands to be extended, and then say, "you ready?" It doesn't work like that... If you neither have a firearm on your person or VERY close by, then you might as well not have one at all. Violent assaults for the purpose of robbery aren't something that you can see coming like a freight train in the distance. I'm just attempting to visualize my point.

Also, have you ever been scared such that you had to rush to your weapon when you thought danger was imminent? I had that unfortunate opportunity about 2 months ago when our alarm system went off at 7:00 AM. From a deep sleep I fumbled around for my glasses, then my pistol, and finally managed to make it to the alarm panel to see what had been triggered. By that time, the alarm company was calling and I still had no idea if someone was really in the house. In that amount of time, someone could have already been on the way up our stairs and likely have shot me. It was then that I realized the need to be better prepared. If you aren't prepared, you might as well have a baseball bat instead of a gun. Luckily, the sun was all that had set my motion detector off on that morning.

Also, I've been on our property unarmed and encountered unwelcome guests. I walked right past a coyote in the high grass walking with my dog. Even the dog didn't know the coyote was there. The coyote stood up and ran off quickly. If he had attacked my dog, I'd have liked to have a firearm close by. I had nothing. I've also had a wild boar wander through the front yard as I was loading my son (2 months old at the time) into our truck for church. I had no firearm around at that time. I've also wandered up on trespassers, likely hunting, near dusk and had no firearm close by. You live and you learn... I now like to be prepared. If I knew when I was going to be attacked (if ever) then I'd avoid the situation entirely.

On the contrary, I had this situation occur and was openly armed. I don't know what could have come of this but it didn't hurt being armed.

As far as carrying more than one gun on your person?... Who the heck has room for that?...

1 CAV · 08-15-2009, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Big ugly

I have been on this forum for a little while now and I have met some good people. I have even seen good people go. I understand the 2nd and I understand the reason for personal protection. I can even grasp the point of stopping power. What I cant get is the obsession with carring more than one side arm at a time.How many villians are some of you supermen think you are gonna get at a time. .

I think what you are referring to is a BUG or a back up gun and frankly it's a good idea. Almost every police officer I know carries a BUG, usually a small .380 or something of that nature in an ankle holster. Some of them carry a small hammerless .357 revolver in their pocket. Regardless of the kind, it is always a good idea to have a BUG. You never know when your primary gun will jam or have some other kind of malfunction. You might accidentally drop your primary during the course of a fight. At best, a firefight is a chaotic maelstrom of events and there is no way of knowing what might happen. The only thing you can do is be as prepared as you can be. If you have reached the point where you have to use lethal force (and God I hope none of us ever do reach that point) don't you think it would be prudent to be as prepared for that as possible. We aren't talking about needing another ink pen because the one you are using has run dry after all. We are talking about needing an instrument capable of taking another man's life. Yes I would think you would want to have a back up for such a thing if it ever came to that.

Alpo · 08-15-2009, 09:00 AM

>I got my carry gun(that I dont carry cuz I dont need to yet)<

When will you need to? How will you know when you need to? Will you only need to carry it because you are going someplace dangerous? Why are you going there?

There are cliches about carrying a gun. I carry a pistol because a can't carry a cop. You never need a pistol until you need it desperately. But those things are cliches because they are said so often because they are true.

I carry a gun. Everywhere, all the time, I carry a gun. Never know when you might need it, so I always have it. I have a fire extinguisher and a jack in my truck. I've never needed the fire extinguisher, and the last time I used the jack was 2005, but I've still got both of them. Always have them in the truck. Never know when I might need one.

I used to have a dream. Haven't had it in a while, but I still remember it. It involved trying to shoot someone and the trigger wouldn't pull. Would have been nice, in that dream, to have a back-up gun. Guns are mechanical objects. Mechanical objects break. Richmond Virginia, back at the first of the month. Guy come into the Golden Market, to rob it. One of the customers was armed. Shot the bad guy. Then the trigger on his gun broke. That's how it was reported - the trigger broke. Fortunately it was a copy of the Remington 1875 single action, and he was able to slip-hammer three more round into the bad guy. Bet he'd have been happy to have a back-up gun along.

Winter-time, I'm wearing a 1911. I can conceal it better. But I've still got the J frame in my pocket. In the summer I don't have the 1911, but I still have the J frame.

ARB · 08-15-2009, 10:30 AM

No offense Big Ugly, but what does it matter if you're carrying one or two? You stated that you don't have to carry. Are you really that Big and that Ugly?

Doc1911 · 08-15-2009, 11:37 AM

When I was a LEO I normally carried 3 weapons on my person (shotgun and AR in car). I carried a side arm, an ankle weapon, and another which I called my heart attack gun (small 22 NA on the inside of my vest - fake a heart attack and use it in one last ditch effort to live ...). When I worked homicide I carried 2 45 ACPs on a shoulder holster ... (New York backup).

Now, I carry two weapons. One on my side and another in my pocket. My hand normally stays in my pocket - next to my 357. I have 'immediate' access to a it if needed (S&W M&P 642, Nemesis Holster). I consider this a close quarters weapon only. ... In the case where I get into a sustained fight or need to take longer shots ... (we have gangs here that raid restaurants, etc.), my 45 ACP is on my side - but it takes just a little longer to get to it (moving the Hawaiian shirt, drawing, etc. ...).

So, I carry two weapons: (1), because I am use to carrying multiple weapons, (2) I have more 'immediate' access to one of the weapons, (3) different tactics for each weapon, and (3) because the BR does not state I can only carry one.

I enjoy being well armed ---

Kieran McCaig · 08-15-2009, 11:51 AM

Hey at least you guy have a choice to carry 1 or 2 ,the peace loving SOB's up here won't let us.

Slabsides · 08-15-2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Big ugly

I have been on this forum for a little while now and I have met some good people. I have even seen good people go. I understand the 2nd and I understand the reason for personal protection. I can even grasp the point of stopping power. What I cant get is the obsession with carring more than one side arm at a time.How many villians are some of you supermen think you are gonna get at a time. I got my home protection gun, I got my carry gun(that I dont carry cuz I dont need to yet) my wife has her carry gun. I dont own a Howitzer pointed at the front door waiting for the gypsters to come barging in. I simply dont see the need for more than one side arm on a person at a single time. Some of you folks tell it like you have your sidearms accorsized to match your out fit your wearing ofr the day. (hey honey does this Taurus Judge clash with these jeans).
Carry one and collect the rest. I know the crap is gonna hit the propeller soon enough but damn man, paranoid tendacies will give you a twitch. Besides, if you that paranoid you need to get you a better gun cuz when the poopie flys you most likely be facing assult rifles with your 45 Acp. Gee I wonder which one is more accurate out to a hundred yards.

I'll give you my take on it....

I carry a backup for just what the name implies.....A BACKUP. Anyone that has put rounds downrange long enough has had a malfunction at some point. Think of facing an attacker and your weapon malfunctioning. I can grab and fire my BUG much quicker than I can "tap, rack and re-engage".

I can say with certainty that if you were faced with a deadly threat and your weapon went "CLICK".....you would wish literally with your life that you had a BUG.

Another reason is if you and a friend are faced with a deadly threat, you can arm him as well....you just doubled your odds of survival.

As for the "wardrobe" comments on aprimary carry, I can say that is true for me to an extent. I am of sleder build and cannot conceal a M1911A1 under a t-shirt and shorts in the summer, so I carry a .380. In the cooler months with a jacket or even a loose flanel, I can carry a .45 without it printing.

I do not have a Howitzer pointed at my front door, but if my house was being faced with a home invasion, I would certainly wish I had one. A 12 gauge will suffice for now.

If the "poopy flies" and I expect assault rifles, do you think I will take 100 yard shots with a .45? When I'm working on my car and I need to take an axle nut off, do you think I'm going to use a leatherman? I have a toolbox full of tools and know which one to choose......I will let you make that connection to your question.

There is a HUGE difference between "paranoid" and "Prepared". I choose to be prepared.....and if the "poopy flies", you would wish to God you were. I'm sure you have insurance on your car and house. Are you PLANNING on wrecking your car and burning your house down? I think not, but you have insurance nonetheless.

The same argument you presented could be applied to you for having even one gun for defense. Are you paranoid that someone will attack you or are you prepared?

PharmrJohn · 08-15-2009, 03:27 PM

I plan on carrying only one (IWB). If, however, I were to have a small firearm available, I would have no problem carrying that in my pocket as well. Just as stated above, not in case of a shootout where I would need both hands full of weaponry, but as a BUG or this firearm is better than that in a certain situation.

Big ugly · 08-15-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ARB

No offense Big Ugly, but what does it matter if you're carrying one or two? You stated that you don't have to carry. Are you really that Big and that Ugly?

6'2" 325 and I can run, I am crack head fast for a fat guy.

I recently talked with a feller that carried a .500 Casul in a shoulder, a glock19 in his butt crack, and a S&W detective 38 on his ancle. Too much hardware.

johnlives4christ · 08-15-2009, 04:24 PM

i carry an NAA 22 in my left pocket with my keys, and a smith 642 38 snub in either my right pocket or IWB. mostly in my pocket. it prints a bunch. people that know what to look for can tell. others dont pay it any attention. i dont mind that it prints, no laws against it. if i could carry openly without hassels i would. i would carry a full size on my hip and my 22 in my pocket and my 38 in my back pocket probably or somewhere else. i wear cowboy boots that are loose at the top so i could carry in the boot if i took a notion.

Slabsides · 08-15-2009, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Big ugly

I recently talked with a feller that carried a .500 Casul in a shoulder, a glock19 in his butt crack, and a S&W detective 38 on his ancle. Too much hardware.

Be honest: If you and your family were walking toward your car in a dark parking lot and suddenly noticed a few shady characters moving toward you with "that look" on their faces, wouldn't you feel more secure with that "feller" next to you? (or yourself being equiped like him?)

If you ever have the displeasure of facing a deadly threat to yourself or someone you are obligated to protect, there is NO SUCH thing as "too much hardware".

Big ugly · 08-15-2009, 04:37 PM

what I am getting at is this, where I live It is just not necessary, no if I was in Memphis or Atlanta or New York mabbe but poke ville tennessee, Nah I just dont see it.

Slabsides · 08-15-2009, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Big ugly

what I am getting at is this, where I live It is just not necessary, no if I was in Memphis or Atlanta or New York mabbe but poke ville tennessee, Nah I just dont see it.

S#!*heads are everywhere. I live in BFE Alabama ("a nice quiet little town") and had a cranked-up meth head at my door at 11:30 at night pacing back and forth while eyeballing me and trying to look past me through the cracked door trying to size up the situation. I could tell be his actions and erratic behavior that he was on the verge of doing something stupid, he kept sizing me up. He would not leave my doorway despite numerous commands to leave. A Ruger GP100 convinced him to look elsewhere. I called the cops and they hauled him off.

Fortunately that ended without bloodshed. I figure the guy is likely an alright person, but hard drugs make otherwise normal people do very stupid things and meth is everywhere....even in your area....and alot more than you think.

I pray I never have to use deadly force but if I do, I want as much firepower as I can carry at the moment.

Big ugly · 08-16-2009, 02:09 AM

a nice right cross to the chops and a shut door. I guess I take enjoyment in a good fist fight. I have lost my share though but I am just out of the norm I guess

Suwannee Tim · 08-16-2009, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Big ugly

a nice right cross to the chops and a shut door. I guess I take enjoyment in a good fist fight. I have lost my share though but I am just out of the norm I guess

This is what hand to hand fighting can do for you:

http://www.odmp.org/officer/9524-off...mes-homer-moon

Officer Moon was my buddy's uncle. Officer Moon relished the hand to hand stuff. It's all good clean fun until suddenly, it ain't.

One of the problems with packing iron is that the hand to hand stuff becomes very dangerous which is why most police officers with modern training will not do it. They will taser you, hit you with a stick, shoot you but they will not fight or wrestle you. If you enjoy a good brawl and are on the lookout for one you absolutely should not carry.

Another issue, not everyone is fit enough, young enough and skilled enough to win a life or death struggle hand to hand. If you are able to, then don't carry.

There's a big difference between two brawlers seeking each other out had having a good ole time punching it out and a law abiding citizen attacked by a felon. Or two felons or a dog or several dogs.

To answer your question, why do I carry two firearms, the answer is because I can.

thomas44 · 08-16-2009, 06:16 AM

I'm trying to imagine why somebody would only have one Howitzer pointed at the door...

johnlives4christ · 08-16-2009, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Big ugly

what I am getting at is this, where I live It is just not necessary, no if I was in Memphis or Atlanta or New York mabbe but poke ville tennessee, Nah I just dont see it.

hey big ugly. long time no talk. i live in a pretty good area in kentucky. it's a medium size town. about 30,000. i cannot remember the last murder we had. and you dont hear about any types of violent crime for the most part. sometimes you hear about stuff but mostly everyones honest. i live in a little town just west of it, there isnt anything here but a post office and a gas station. to give you an idea of how it is, we had a yardsale a couple weekends ago. friday i had a chopsaw and some handtools for sale. and come friday evening i decided to leave them set outside until saturday morning. noone bothered anything. this being the case, some of the people i know ask my why i carry at all, much more for two guns or 3 sometimes. well. the state troopers informed us that up the road there is a bunch of meth heads living... and i know there is some pot dealing going on up the road the other direction. a few years back the cops just happened to by passing by my uncles brothers house and noticed a man looking suspicious in the yard, they detained him to find out that he was an excaped convict, my uncles brother at the time was old and stove up pretty good, and his wife was just a little old woman. they're dead now. but this convict was obviously going to break into the house and lord only knows do what to them. in the town here there aren't any "bad" parts of town. and for the most part 8 out of 10 people are white. there isnt any car jackings that i've ever heard of. but a few winters ago my neighbor was at a stoplight and someone jumped in his passenger side and said give me a ride to this place... scared my neighbor half to death so he complied. no threats were given, no arguments where given back.

i guess the point is that even though you and i live in nice little towns, bad things can still happen. i know a guy, not really a friend, but anyways he doesnt understand why i carry and says around here there isnt anything i'll come across i cant handle with my hands. but.... there i'd hate to come across someone that had a knife and all i had was my hands. i dont like the idea of being cut up. and i know those folks that are high on meth dont feel pain, and are super strong on that stuff. the onlything they understand is wanting another hit. i didnt start carrying seriously until after i got married. my wife is young and pretty, and i want her to stay mine and only mine, so i figure best thing to do is shoot first and ask questions later if anyone trys to hurt her. anyways it's really late night so im gone to bed man.

peace big ugly... and dern it... dont be shooting anyone with your 41

~john

1 CAV · 08-16-2009, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Big ugly

I recently talked with a feller that carried a .500 Casul in a shoulder, a glock19 in his butt crack, and a S&W detective 38 on his ancle. Too much hardware.

There's no such thing as a .500 Casul Big Ugly. There is a .454 Casull and most versions of it are so large that the only way to wear it in a shoulder holster and keep it concealed is to wear a poncho everywhere.

woolleyworm · 08-16-2009, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Slabsides

S#!*heads are everywhere. I pray I never have to use deadly force but if I do, I want as much firepower as I can carry at the moment.

and S#!*heads on meth are prone to anything at anytime.

"thomas44I'm trying to imagine why somebody would only have one Howitzer pointed at the door... "

+1111111111111111111111

Old Guy · 08-16-2009, 08:14 AM

Carrying a second weapon as back up simply makes sense. It is not being paranoid, it is being prepared. Mechanical items sometimes fail and has been mentioned earlier sometimes if you are unfortunate enough to be in a bad situation you may loose control over your primary. I don't think that any of us go out looking for a gun fight and most of us hope and pray that we never have to be in one. However, we have made the choice to carry and accept the possible consequences of that choice. As a result, preparation is the key to possible survival and that preparation (for me at least) results in a back up.

Old Guy

carver · 08-16-2009, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Big ugly

I have been on this forum for a little while now and I have met some good people. I have even seen good people go. I understand the 2nd and I understand the reason for personal protection. I can even grasp the point of stopping power. What I cant get is the obsession with carring more than one side arm at a time.How many villians are some of you supermen think you are gonna get at a time. I got my home protection gun, I got my carry gun(that I dont carry cuz I dont need to yet) my wife has her carry gun. I dont own a Howitzer pointed at the front door waiting for the gypsters to come barging in. I simply dont see the need for more than one side arm on a person at a single time. Some of you folks tell it like you have your sidearms accorsized to match your out fit your wearing ofr the day. (hey honey does this Taurus Judge clash with these jeans).
Carry one and collect the rest. I know the crap is gonna hit the propeller soon enough but damn man, paranoid tendacies will give you a twitch. Besides, if you that paranoid you need to get you a better gun cuz when the poopie flys you most likely be facing assult rifles with your 45 Acp. Gee I wonder which one is more accurate out to a hundred yards.

Come on Big Ugly! I live way out in the boonies, 30 miles to the nearest chain type grocery store in any direction. I carry two guns on me all the time when away from home. A .45, and a BUG. Around the house, I have a gun handy in every room. I have lived here for 20 years, and not a single bad thing has happened. There have been some breakins in the area, but not here yet. Crime isn't just in the cities anymore, it's moving out into the country side. I have caught people on my property several times that were not supposed to be there. They were folks trying to do a job usually, something like surveying the neighbors land, and strayed on to my property. IMHO, it is just a matter of time before it does happen. As for carring two, or more guns, I have to agree with Slabsides. Some times when we go to town the wife will stay in the car, rather than fight the walk thru the store (bad back). In this situation, I usually give her one of mine. I can tell by your post that your SA is not at a very high level, you might want to rethink this! Anyone of us could become the next victim of a crime at any time. I know you don't want to be a victim, but it could happen. If it does, wouldn't you feel better about it afterwards if you were armed to the teeth, and ready! Personally, I feel better about all the time, because I am armed, and ready. Ready, but always looking ahead, and around me. I shop at a Wall Mart were there has been all kinds of crime in the parking lot. I might become a victim, but I won't go down easily!

JohnnyLoco · 08-16-2009, 08:30 AM

Everyone has their comfort level but check this out. Pro-crooks can watch you to see what your strong hand is and neutralize your gun hand. Bad guys also have the drop on you 9 1/2 times out of ten making the fact you have a weapon usleless. You also have the concern of multiple attackers.

You see this guy up top on this page, its Johnny Loco:

http://www.udap.com/testifypepperspray.htm

I carry this spray as my primary and my handgun as a back-up

Why? The pepper spray can be in the hand all the time and is extremely fast to deploy, It works, you can deploy it while still in the IFFY stage of the conflict which makes it WAY more palatable to a DA or Grand Jury when your lawyer says "he could've shot them but responsibly used the least amount of force."

Is a GOOD spray an effective defense against a gun? You damned right it is, especially if you deploy it on the thin line between defense and offense. "some could consider it preemptive". I took their weapon and their car, and left them in a ditch, thats how effective this stuff is.

Y'all carry whatever makes you comfortable, but think it out.

08-15-2009, 05:46 AM	#1
Big ugly Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Knoxville Tennessee Contributor Posts: 2,603	CCW view points I have been on this forum for a little while now and I have met some good people. I have even seen good people go. I understand the 2nd and I understand the reason for personal protection. I can even grasp the point of stopping power. What I cant get is the obsession with carring more than one side arm at a time.How many villians are some of you supermen think you are gonna get at a time. I got my home protection gun, I got my carry gun(that I dont carry cuz I dont need to yet) my wife has her carry gun. I dont own a Howitzer pointed at the front door waiting for the gypsters to come barging in. I simply dont see the need for more than one side arm on a person at a single time. Some of you folks tell it like you have your sidearms accorsized to match your out fit your wearing ofr the day. (hey honey does this Taurus Judge clash with these jeans). Carry one and collect the rest. I know the crap is gonna hit the propeller soon enough but damn man, paranoid tendacies will give you a twitch. Besides, if you that paranoid you need to get you a better gun cuz when the poopie flys you most likely be facing assult rifles with your 45 Acp. Gee I wonder which one is more accurate out to a hundred yards. __________________ "You say the Devil made do it with a smile. Raisin' hell and howlin at the moon. Well I'm gonna put your @$$ back in line. I'm gonna scare the Devil out of you." BlackBerry Smoke Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R513dA4peMg Nothing is "proof" against a truly talented fool. Swanshot -->

08-15-2009, 06:01 AM	#2
Crpdeth Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Location: Location Contributor Posts: 8,247	Re: CCW view points I dunno... I would never carry more than one, but I cant judge anyone who does. I mean heck, I back up my computer files "just in case", I have insurance "just in case".... I don't own a custom Kimber, but I have seen them jam, more than once... Might be nice to have a back up, just in case. 100 yards? That's running distance, not fighting distance. Crpdeth __________________ Our greatest pretenses are built up not to hide the evil and the ugly in us, but our emptiness. The hardest thing to hide is something that is not there. ~Eric Hoffer

08-15-2009, 06:39 AM	#3
glocknut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: THE FORUM MASCOTT... Posts: 12,482	Re: CCW view points Maybe not cary more than one at a time but maybe carry different size guns depending on the weather and or type of clothing at the time... mike gn __________________ Where O where are you tonight? Why have you gone and left me alone? I searched to world over and a thought i found true love... You met another and PTThhh you were gone....

08-15-2009, 07:54 AM	#4
ponycar17 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Carolina Contributor Posts: 4,884	Re: CCW view points The fascination with having different firearms for different clothing scenarios is easy. You need to carry something. I view carrying like this. Carry as large a gun as possible but always carry something. If you only own one carry gun, make it something that you'll always carry. That's simple... Most people disagree. So, if I'm not wearing a jacket or bulky clothes I carry a KelTec P3AT. It will always be there. I'm not paranoid about printing with it, which can get you into trouble where I live and it's not uncomfortable with tighter/dressier clothes. If I'm wearing looser clothes and no jacket, I'll pocket a Kahr PM40. It's a bit larger and consequently has more firepower than the .380 choice. If I'm wearing a jacket in the winter I'll carry a Taurus PT145 at the largest. It has more capacity and knockdown power than the two previously mentioned pistols and isn't at risk of exposure in a jacket. If in the truck, and I'm carrying a pocket pistol I'll usually have something larger in the center console as a pocket pistol can't be easily extracted while sitting. I know a guy that witnessed a robbery of a fast-food restaurant recently while sitting in his car at the drive-thru after midnight. The thieves could have easily chosen to rob him as they ran past his opened window. Access is everything. I don't find that very complicated or over-the-top. As far as having a firearm located where you'll likely have access to it, consider the following fact. 77% of violent crimes occur in public places. The shotgun at home does little if you're not armed in public. A criminal isn't going to wait until you're ready for an attack. If you're wife is carrying a pistol in her purse, answer the question as to what the criminal will try to acquire first from your wife in a robbery. It's good that she's armed but her purse is still risky as a carry location. An attack is going to be off-guard. It's not like when I throw a ball to my two-year old son, wait for his hands to be extended, and then say, "you ready?" It doesn't work like that... If you neither have a firearm on your person or VERY close by, then you might as well not have one at all. Violent assaults for the purpose of robbery aren't something that you can see coming like a freight train in the distance. I'm just attempting to visualize my point. Also, have you ever been scared such that you had to rush to your weapon when you thought danger was imminent? I had that unfortunate opportunity about 2 months ago when our alarm system went off at 7:00 AM. From a deep sleep I fumbled around for my glasses, then my pistol, and finally managed to make it to the alarm panel to see what had been triggered. By that time, the alarm company was calling and I still had no idea if someone was really in the house. In that amount of time, someone could have already been on the way up our stairs and likely have shot me. It was then that I realized the need to be better prepared. If you aren't prepared, you might as well have a baseball bat instead of a gun. Luckily, the sun was all that had set my motion detector off on that morning. Also, I've been on our property unarmed and encountered unwelcome guests. I walked right past a coyote in the high grass walking with my dog. Even the dog didn't know the coyote was there. The coyote stood up and ran off quickly. If he had attacked my dog, I'd have liked to have a firearm close by. I had nothing. I've also had a wild boar wander through the front yard as I was loading my son (2 months old at the time) into our truck for church. I had no firearm around at that time. I've also wandered up on trespassers, likely hunting, near dusk and had no firearm close by. You live and you learn... I now like to be prepared. If I knew when I was going to be attacked (if ever) then I'd avoid the situation entirely. On the contrary, I had this situation occur and was openly armed. I don't know what could have come of this but it didn't hurt being armed. As far as carrying more than one gun on your person?... Who the heck has room for that?... __________________ Arm yourself with intellectual Ammunition! Gunfacts 5.1 Myth-Busting Facts JustFacts.com on Gun Control Stopping Power, the Downloadable Book Last edited by ponycar17; 08-15-2009 at 08:11 AM..

08-15-2009, 09:00 AM	#6
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,664	Re: CCW view points >I got my carry gun(that I dont carry cuz I dont need to yet)< When will you need to? How will you know when you need to? Will you only need to carry it because you are going someplace dangerous? Why are you going there? There are cliches about carrying a gun. I carry a pistol because a can't carry a cop. You never need a pistol until you need it desperately. But those things are cliches because they are said so often because they are true. I carry a gun. Everywhere, all the time, I carry a gun. Never know when you might need it, so I always have it. I have a fire extinguisher and a jack in my truck. I've never needed the fire extinguisher, and the last time I used the jack was 2005, but I've still got both of them. Always have them in the truck. Never know when I might need one. I used to have a dream. Haven't had it in a while, but I still remember it. It involved trying to shoot someone and the trigger wouldn't pull. Would have been nice, in that dream, to have a back-up gun. Guns are mechanical objects. Mechanical objects break. Richmond Virginia, back at the first of the month. Guy come into the Golden Market, to rob it. One of the customers was armed. Shot the bad guy. Then the trigger on his gun broke. That's how it was reported - the trigger broke. Fortunately it was a copy of the Remington 1875 single action, and he was able to slip-hammer three more round into the bad guy. Bet he'd have been happy to have a back-up gun along. Winter-time, I'm wearing a 1911. I can conceal it better. But I've still got the J frame in my pocket. In the summer I don't have the 1911, but I still have the J frame. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

08-15-2009, 10:30 AM	#7
ARB Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Mid Missouri Posts: 1,184	Re: CCW view points No offense Big Ugly, but what does it matter if you're carrying one or two? You stated that you don't have to carry. Are you really that Big and that Ugly?

08-15-2009, 11:37 AM	#8
Doc1911 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: USA Posts: 874	Re: CCW view points When I was a LEO I normally carried 3 weapons on my person (shotgun and AR in car). I carried a side arm, an ankle weapon, and another which I called my heart attack gun (small 22 NA on the inside of my vest - fake a heart attack and use it in one last ditch effort to live ...). When I worked homicide I carried 2 45 ACPs on a shoulder holster ... (New York backup). Now, I carry two weapons. One on my side and another in my pocket. My hand normally stays in my pocket - next to my 357. I have 'immediate' access to a it if needed (S&W M&P 642, Nemesis Holster). I consider this a close quarters weapon only. ... In the case where I get into a sustained fight or need to take longer shots ... (we have gangs here that raid restaurants, etc.), my 45 ACP is on my side - but it takes just a little longer to get to it (moving the Hawaiian shirt, drawing, etc. ...). So, I carry two weapons: (1), because I am use to carrying multiple weapons, (2) I have more 'immediate' access to one of the weapons, (3) different tactics for each weapon, and (3) because the BR does not state I can only carry one. I enjoy being well armed --- __________________ _____ Sincerely, Doc NRA Life Member

08-15-2009, 11:51 AM	#9
Kieran McCaig Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: canada Posts: 1,469	Re: CCW view points Hey at least you guy have a choice to carry 1 or 2 ,the peace loving SOB's up here won't let us.

08-15-2009, 03:27 PM	#11
PharmrJohn Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Western Washington Posts: 975	Re: CCW view points I plan on carrying only one (IWB). If, however, I were to have a small firearm available, I would have no problem carrying that in my pocket as well. Just as stated above, not in case of a shootout where I would need both hands full of weaponry, but as a BUG or this firearm is better than that in a certain situation.

08-15-2009, 04:24 PM	#13
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: CCW view points i carry an NAA 22 in my left pocket with my keys, and a smith 642 38 snub in either my right pocket or IWB. mostly in my pocket. it prints a bunch. people that know what to look for can tell. others dont pay it any attention. i dont mind that it prints, no laws against it. if i could carry openly without hassels i would. i would carry a full size on my hip and my 22 in my pocket and my 38 in my back pocket probably or somewhere else. i wear cowboy boots that are loose at the top so i could carry in the boot if i took a notion.

08-15-2009, 04:37 PM	#15
Big ugly Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Knoxville Tennessee Contributor Posts: 2,603	Re: CCW view points what I am getting at is this, where I live It is just not necessary, no if I was in Memphis or Atlanta or New York mabbe but poke ville tennessee, Nah I just dont see it. __________________ "You say the Devil made do it with a smile. Raisin' hell and howlin at the moon. Well I'm gonna put your @$$ back in line. I'm gonna scare the Devil out of you." BlackBerry Smoke Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R513dA4peMg Nothing is "proof" against a truly talented fool. Swanshot

08-16-2009, 02:09 AM	#17
Big ugly Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Knoxville Tennessee Contributor Posts: 2,603	Re: CCW view points a nice right cross to the chops and a shut door. I guess I take enjoyment in a good fist fight. I have lost my share though but I am just out of the norm I guess __________________ "You say the Devil made do it with a smile. Raisin' hell and howlin at the moon. Well I'm gonna put your @$$ back in line. I'm gonna scare the Devil out of you." BlackBerry Smoke Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R513dA4peMg Nothing is "proof" against a truly talented fool. Swanshot

08-16-2009, 06:16 AM	#19
thomas44 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 577	Re: CCW view points I'm trying to imagine why somebody would only have one Howitzer pointed at the door... __________________ Change...it's all you'll have left in your pocket by 2013.

08-16-2009, 08:14 AM	#23
Old Guy V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Beaufort County, NC Contributor Posts: 343	Re: CCW view points Carrying a second weapon as back up simply makes sense. It is not being paranoid, it is being prepared. Mechanical items sometimes fail and has been mentioned earlier sometimes if you are unfortunate enough to be in a bad situation you may loose control over your primary. I don't think that any of us go out looking for a gun fight and most of us hope and pray that we never have to be in one. However, we have made the choice to carry and accept the possible consequences of that choice. As a result, preparation is the key to possible survival and that preparation (for me at least) results in a back up. Old Guy

08-16-2009, 08:30 AM	#25
JohnnyLoco Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 42	Everyone has their comfort level but check this out. Pro-crooks can watch you to see what your strong hand is and neutralize your gun hand. Bad guys also have the drop on you 9 1/2 times out of ten making the fact you have a weapon usleless. You also have the concern of multiple attackers. You see this guy up top on this page, its Johnny Loco: http://www.udap.com/testifypepperspray.htm I carry this spray as my primary and my handgun as a back-up Why? The pepper spray can be in the hand all the time and is extremely fast to deploy, It works, you can deploy it while still in the IFFY stage of the conflict which makes it WAY more palatable to a DA or Grand Jury when your lawyer says "he could've shot them but responsibly used the least amount of force." Is a GOOD spray an effective defense against a gun? You damned right it is, especially if you deploy it on the thin line between defense and offense. "some could consider it preemptive". I took their weapon and their car, and left them in a ditch, thats how effective this stuff is. Y'all carry whatever makes you comfortable, but think it out. Last edited by JohnnyLoco; 08-16-2009 at 08:41 AM..