Please think of ALL the Christians in the middle east

[jack404]

something came through live leak from someone they got it from a phone he bought that had a dozen vid's on them all jihadists in syria

translated it was what they will do to all the Kaffirs

its not militants verses the govt , its islamists against all who oppose caliphate

and who the koran says must be killed and how

we've removed the vid ..

the image is bad enough , but the declaration , the words ... and a search amongst jihadist sites shows a hugely increasing theme

kill the Christians , cleanse the muslim lands of kaffirs , or make them slaves

Pray for the Christians in the middle east folks , the way things are going its all they have ..

[Iron Eagle]

Jack, take heart, brother! If they are not on God's side, then they are against Him. Yes, we need to be praying for those who are in places where they are in danger. As the Word says, don't fear those who can kill the body, then after that can do nothing more. Fear God who is able after death to throw the soul into hell. Not exactly the words, but its close. God is able to defeat the enemy, and He can do it however He pleases.

[jack404]

i hate getting old ...

[ampaterry]

Jack, isn't it really one group of muslims fighting another group of muslims? One may be MORE radical than the other, but isn't that still the case here? For my part, I am getting SICK of our fine young people being used to help one bunch of muslims battle another bunch of muslims. Maybe because I am old enough to have seen country after country in the middle East be our enemy, then our ally, then our enemy once again, and this is effecting my judgment here.

[jack404]

the MB / salafists are in charge and have the momentum through fear and intimidation , these videos . they aint a display of power

its setting the new minimum standard

dont do this to the kaffirs or well get you

its like the start of the chechyen wars , friday everyone came to the mosques , the message was passed and those who did not want to do jihad where led outside ( told so they could not give away plans ) and then machine gunned

word got around and soon every muslim was a dedicated jihadists dedicated to allah

we know how Chechnya went

this is word getting round ...

these are set to create more killers ..

[jack404]

the two guys they beheaded spoke aramaic Terry

the warning from the salafist was in arabic

[raven818]

Iran, is Shi'a, and are supplying assad with arms and fighters. Saudi Arabia is Sunni, supplying the rebels with arms and fighters. The UN officially declared, yesterday, the country is in a state of Civil War. France made the same declaration ( donno why they felt they needed to ).

The, now up to 13,000, folks who have died, have possibly died as a result of a cleansing of the followers of one muslum belief, or the other.

The MBH will sit back and wait, and try to pick up all the pieces for themselves after all is said and done.

Egypt's election is this coming weekend. Look out....Israels future is on the line.

[cutter]

No words can describe how I feel about what is going on in the Middle East!

[rosierita]

sent a prayer from here.

jack ~ if you can, please update us.

[jack404]

Rosierita , what can i say its a medievil slaughter house there and getting worse by the day

[BlackEagle]

Check out the Barnabas Fund website at http://www.barnabasfund.org/

Recent stories:
Thousands of Christians flee Syrian city amid “ultimatum” reports
http://www.barnabasfund.org/Thousand...m-reports.html

Boko Haram declares Christians “enemies” and vows more church attacks
http://www.barnabasfund.org/Boko-Har...h-attacks.html

Farsi-speaking church closed in Iran; further shutdowns feared
http://www.barnabasfund.org/Farsi-sp...ns-feared.html

Barnabas provides sanctuary for abused Christian women from Eritrea
http://www.barnabasfund.org/Barnabas...m-Eritrea.html

An interractive map is here... http://www.barnabasfund.org/UK/News/...-map-overview/

[22to12gauge]

Christians have more in common with Muslims than they do with Jews, especially in regard to Jesus.
and most Muslims respect the faiths of the other monotheistic religions
Muslims see Christianity and Judaism both as legitimate religions, believing they all pray to the same God.

Although, I do agree that we should not be in the middle east helping every country that has some kind of upheaval. Not because they are Muslims, but simply because we should respect the sovereignty of other nations and let them deal with their own problems.

Also, all Muslims are Jihadists.. but Jihad doesn't mean blow stuff up. It simply means struggle, an inner struggle to be more righteous and also a struggle to make one's community better, and not to necessarily set up an islamic theocracy. Jihad doesn't mean destroy and kill for politcal goals, that is terrorism.

Another thing, infidel is used to refer to people with no religious belief, and Christianity has used the term too. But Muslims don't see Christians as infidels, as I mentioned before, Islam recognizes all monotheistic religions as legitimate.

I think terrorism is wrong and anyone who wants to attack America, Christians, or anybody for that matter, deserves "a boot up there ass" but we have to stop the muslim hate, islamophobia, and misconceptions about Islam.

[raven818]

Originally Posted by 22to12gauge

Christians have more in common with Muslims than they do with Jews, especially in regard to Jesus.
and most Muslims respect the faiths of the other monotheistic religions
Muslims see Christianity and Judaism both as legitimate religions, believing they all pray to the same God.

Although, I do agree that we should not be in the middle east helping every country that has some kind of upheaval. Not because they are Muslims, but simply because we should respect the sovereignty of other nations and let them deal with their own problems.

Also, all Muslims are Jihadists.. but Jihad doesn't mean blow stuff up. It simply means struggle, an inner struggle to be more righteous and also a struggle to make one's community better, and not to necessarily set up an islamic theocracy. Jihad doesn't mean destroy and kill for politcal goals, that is terrorism.

Another thing, infidel is used to refer to people with no religious belief, and Christianity has used the term too. But Muslims don't see Christians as infidels, as I mentioned before, Islam recognizes all monotheistic religions as legitimate.

I think terrorism is wrong and anyone who wants to attack America, Christians, or anybody for that matter, deserves "a boot up there ass" but we have to stop the muslim hate, islamophobia, and misconceptions about Islam.

Here you are. Not speculation, or an opinion. The person at this site quotes the koran. It's lengthy, but unless your are muslum, it may give you an alternative means of getting to the bottom of how things really are, and how things will be if we take a pacifist view, and allow us all to be assimilated.

http://tinyurl.com/7zv97oe

[jack404]

actually thats not correct like Islam means peace , islam means to serve as a slave , without say or input , just rote obedience or death

Jihad does mean to struggle , agains non muslims , in conflict of various means

but its source is to conquer Jihad comes from jidar and shihada a shihad is someone who fights to advance islam jidar is the path of obedience

a obediant fighter is a jihad obeyer

but you can fight many ways

the wombs of our women will be our path of jihad stated the leader of sharia for belgium meaning with the birth rate in 3 years time it is too far to reverese and belgium will be controled by islam


sorry sir been studying islam for years living with them and fighting them

you've fallen for the PC explanations

try the facts but i understand that even the islamics dont really read their ow diatribe ..

[22to12gauge]

Originally Posted by jack404

actually thats not correct like Islam means peace , islam means to serve as a slave , without say or input , just rote obedience or death

Jihad does mean to struggle , agains non muslims , in conflict of various means

but its source is to conquer Jihad comes from jidar and shihada a shihad is someone who fights to advance islam jidar is the path of obedience

a obediant fighter is a jihad obeyer

but you can fight many ways

the wombs of our women will be our path of jihad stated the leader of sharia for belgium meaning with the birth rate in 3 years time it is too far to reverese and belgium will be controled by islam


sorry sir been studying islam for years living with them and fighting them

you've fallen for the PC explanations

try the facts but i understand that even the islamics dont really read their ow diatribe ..

correct, muslim translates to "one who submits", meaning one who submits to God, and Muslims consider Christians and Jews as "muslims" (lower case "m") because they sumbit to god. simple as that..

Originally Posted by raven818

Here you are. Not speculation, or an opinion. The person at this site quotes the koran. It's lengthy, but unless your are muslum, it may give you an alternative means of getting to the bottom of how things really are, and how things will be if we take a pacifist view, and allow us all to be assimilated.

http://tinyurl.com/7zv97oe

I watched the first 5 minutes, I do not have time right now but I may finsihing watching it later..

But in regard to the quote he read "Fight those who do not believe in Allah"

Allah means God... again, Muslims respect the other monotheistic religions because they also believe in God.

I'm not taking a pacifist view, we are on a firearm forum.. lol
I just see alot of misconceptions about Islam.


All religions are legitimate and have their good and bad sides, I am just asking that we keep an open mind and realize that the enemies of Liberty come from all faiths, not just Muslims.

[jack404]

Sir please advise Abdul Rahman Ibn Abdul Aziz as-Sudais

that i am a muslim , he'll tell you that Kaffirs are not muslims and he should know he is the imam of the grand mosque in mecca and the guy who signed the fatwa that states i am to be killed on sight

allah does not mean God is a old pagan name for a moon god , NOT THE god ..

misconception about islam ? sir please explain all these misconceptions maybe they are what got a death order on my head

maybe i wont have to worry about getting stabbed , again .. ( next time will be third time )

i'd love to hear all about these misconception and about how islam reveres Jesus but denies his divinity at the same time

Jesus is only in the koran as a prop for mohamed , same as Alexander the great Nimrod of roman legend and many other both historical and fictional characters , all there only to prop up mohameds stories

but do correct me where i am wrong

i've only wasted 20+ years of study a uni degreee in islamic studies ( from Cairo ) and enough so there is a order for all clerics to not debate me in public issued by the grand mufti himself as i can out argue any cleric on islam ,

especially on sharia and the hadiths ( mohameds life) ..

[jack404]

oh and you can explain this while your at it

http://www.prisonplanet.com/syrian-r...-churches.html


Syrian Rebels Ransack Christian Churches

NATO-backed thugs desecrate places of worship
Paul Joseph Watson
Prsion Planet.com
Wednesday, June 27, 2012
Shocking images have emerged which show the aftermath of Christian churches ransacked by NATO-backed Syrian rebels, illustrating once again how western powers are supporting Muslim extremists in their bid to achieve regime change in the middle east.



A photograph provided to us by a Christian woman in Homs, scene of some of the bloodiest clashes of the conflict, shows a member of the Free Syrian Army posing with a looted Catholic cross in one hand and a gun in the other while wearing a priest’s robe.
“Everyone knows simply removing these garments from the church is a sin. The priest is the only one who wears them too. They even pray before putting them on. Him posing in front of the funeral car as well is disgusting to the max,” our source told us.
“They destroyed the church and went in to film it. I know this for a fact.”
“The Robes can only be worn by Deacons or Priests or Sub-Deacons, and they a Christian man wouldn’t hold a Cross in one hand and a gun in another,” the woman adds
Another image shows a ransacked church in Bustan al-Diwan (Old Homs).

[raven818]

Originally Posted by 22to12gauge

I am just asking that we keep an open mind and realize that the enemies of Liberty come from all faiths, not just Muslims.

Should you finish the video, you'll discover who the enemies of Liberty actually are. There won't be any doubts left.

[jack404]

Should you finish the video, you'll discover who the enemies of Liberty actually are. There won't be any doubts left.

socialism and islam , i'll tell ya that for nothing ...

[raven818]

The sucker in the photo makes an outstanding target in that Vestment.

[jack404]

Reading the Quran is much like eating an apple; one doesn't have to eat (read) all of it to understand that it is rotten.
Pelayo

[jack404]

Originally Posted by raven818

The sucker in the photo makes an outstanding target in that Vestment.

yep outstanding target , pity i'm here ..

[jack404]

Muslim logic explained.

'The Cause of Allah' = = to bring ISLAMIC rule to Kuffar lands.
And to pursue this political end, is the 'right' of every devout muslim!
Also, all devout muslims firmly believe that they have a duty, and a 'right', to 'struggle' [Jihad!] against any un-ISLAMIC persons who are seen as obstructing the spread, and influence, of ISLAM.
When this 'struggle' against the local Kuffar becomes violent, we in the West often call this 'struggle', terrorism!

But to the Jihadist mind, these attacks [against infidels] are [by definition!] 'defensive', as it is our infidel resistance [to the spread of ISLAMIC rule] that is an 'aggression' against ISLAM.

Muslims [ISLAM is always 'peace loving'], never go to war with infidels,
....muslims always 'DEFEND' ISLAM, against the infidel 'aggression'.

In the eyes of EVERY devout muslim, resisting the spread of ISLAMIC rule, equals being an enemy of ISLAM.


these are the words taught to every Mufti in the world , to say they are not is a lie , you cannot obtain the rank of mufti ( a high cleric) without agreeing with these words

this is ISLAMIC TEACHING

not our interpretation

this is what Islam teaches its leaders to teach to the Ummah ( islamic people world wide)

further instructions from mecca

'There can be no end to Jihad...'

Muslim clerics [everywhere] are working toward ISLAM's [worldwide] political supremacy ['the Cause of Allah', 'Jihad'], and intend to impose muslim law [Sharia], upon all mankind.

Within a Sharia jurisdiction all muslims are equal [this is the 'justice', which muslims speak of], but under Sharia all non-muslims are 'guilty' and inferior [and are not equal beside a muslim, under law].


What muslims never explain [to the naive Kuffar community], is that within Sharia jurisdictions muslims ['believers'] are superior, and non-muslims ['unbelievers'] are 'guilty' people.


pages 6 and 7 of the book "a imams guide to teaching the deen" the standard text for training imams to obtain the rank of Mufti


guilty and what is our punishment?

we must be subdued until we convert or pay jizya or are killed

the Koran allows nothing else Sharia allows nothing else

but folks will follow the nice words spoken by those who would with their lies corrupt the entire world so that their plans my come to life , and all kaffirs be wiped out and that Dar al islam ( the house of peace ) reigns

and that Dar al-Harb ( the house of war or the non muslim world ) , is wiped out

hey did you know 22to12guage that there is a special way you must read the koran ??

its called abrigation.. meaning what ever is written after something is correct , if two sections are contradictory then the later written one is correct

and all the peaceful stuff in the koran like no compulsion of religion is way early on and is abrogated ( over written) by the sword verses that calls for all non muslims to be subdued converted or killed

i suggest you educate yourself or find another source of info as the one you have is a fairy story of nicey nicey

but nowhere near facts

[22to12gauge]

Originally Posted by jack404

socialism and islam , i'll tell ya that for nothing ...

I appreciate the info and I respect your knowledge in Islam but some of it appears to be "conspiracy theories" and I love conspirology, believe me, but I don't see "Islam taking over the world", Yes, it is the fastest growing religion but that doesn't mean there is going to be a global sharia law..

this is a red herring, but what about Zionists? from what I see, Zionists own all the media, banks, control Washington DC, etc.. anything to say about them taking over the world and enslaving "Goyim"? And I don't see Christians getting spat on and pestered when going to Muslim countries.. But it seems like Christians are not welcome in Israel..

I do not descriminate against any religions, Muslims, Christian, Jew, Hindu, they all have their good and bad sides, I don't think one can say any one religion is hell-bent on "taking over the world" or killing non-believers.

btw, I do not follow any one religion, I believe all religions have something to contribute.. some more than others. and I do believe anthropogenic global warming is a hoax created by the globalists in order for them to incur more power, undermine national sovereignty, and justify depopulation.

I think we stand for the same things, Justice and Liberty, we just have a different idea about who the enemy is... but I will remain vigilant to all threats, foreign and domestic.

[jack404]

can you name one zionist beside rudy gabriel ?

zionists stopped being when the state of israel was founded , they got it

for your info

Noble Quran 2:190 Footnote:
Jihad is holy fighting in Allahs Cause with full force of numbers and weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allahs Word is made superior (which means only Allah has the right to be worshiped), and Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, or does not fulfill this duty, dies as a hypocrite.
....on page 39 of the Noble Qur’an , translation by Muhammad Khan

Quran 33:22
Among the Believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allah and have gone out for Jihad (holy fighting). Some have completed their vow to extreme and have been martyred fighting and dying in His Cause, and some are waiting, prepared for death in battle.

Quran 47:33, 34
Believers, obey Allah, and obey the Messenger! Those who disbelieve and hinder men from the Cause of Allah, He will not pardon. Do not falter; become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace. You have the upper hand.

Quran 5:41
Whomever Allah wants to deceive you cannot help. Allah does not want them to know the truth because he intends to disgrace them and then torture them.


no conspiracy these are quotes from the Koran and Noble Koran

argue against them for the islamist if you wish but please answer this

why have i two death sentances on me for saying only facts ?? the words that convicted me where quotes from the quran the hadiths and factual history all proven and not disagreed about , but i have two fatwa's if these folks are so peaceful why am i to be killed by the first available good muslim ??

answer it please

i want to know why i must die and thats ok