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chaosmonkie · 01-05-2005, 10:39 PM

hey guys
hows it going
im 22 years old and i go to college
i went hunting once with my uncle who is a very experienced hunter and ive been to a shooting range a couple of times before
i dont own my own gun
im getting into this sport and i hope to have fun here
by the way...
some people at my school hate me because they say i went hunting
they say stuff like:
"why do you kill those poor animals?"
"cant you just leave those animals alone?"
"you disgust me... you hunter!"
does anyone know how to deal with this stuff?
i cant persuade these people

TRAP55 · 01-05-2005, 10:43 PM

Just tell them if God didn't want you to eat them, he wouldn't have made them out of meat.

Welcome to the forums monkie!

chaosmonkie · 01-05-2005, 10:51 PM

by the way...
im planning on buying my own gun in a couple of months
and my uncle is sleeping right now so he will get mad if i call him
so ill ask here
i know that you have to have a ccw permit to carry a gun around but do you need some license or permit to own a gun?

Crpdeth · 01-05-2005, 11:10 PM

Welcome to the forums.

Most people have sense enough to know that you have to kill to eat, and then there are those who are just looking for something to whine about...Fortunately I dont have to deal with many of those uppity type in my neck of the woods.

I did have one conversation with a guy who was against "all killing" no matter what and didn't mind voicing it, so I asked about his Mercedes Benz, "Mercedes manufactures cars with leather seats" I said, "well mine dosen't have leather" he spouted back, then he carried on about imitation leather for a while, so I asked, dosen't Mercedes manufacture most of its viehicles with real leather seats though? "Yes", "then you are supporting a company who no doubt pays for the slaughter of animals just for their hide" I said, (who really knows, right?) Anyway, he became really defensive and upset so the conversation tapered off real quickly, but the truth of the matter is I could have used many different examples because of the plain fact that animals were put on this earth for meat, bottom line and the real truth of the matter is, if the tree huggers dont like it they can go cry themselves to sleep, hunting has been going on for thousands of years and it will continue to do so regardless of how much whining they do about it.

Sorry 'bout their bad luck.

Crpdeth

chaosmonkie · 01-05-2005, 11:13 PM

wow
thats good
i should tell them that too
but none of them drives mercedes

SouthernMoss · 01-05-2005, 11:16 PM

Welcome, chaosmonkie!!

You probably won't be able to have any kind of logical argument with the anti-hunters. Their mind is already made up without even listening to the facts.

You could point out that hunting helps prevent overpopulation of animals, who would then die of starvation and disease. You could point out how much hunters support the environment, both through license fees and by charitable giving to organizations such as Ducks Unlimited, etc. You could ask them if they eat hamburgers, wear leather shoes, etc.

The answer to your question about needing a license to own a gun depends on which state you live in. Here in MS, I can walk into a gun shop and walk out with a gun within 15 minutes. Njretcop will tell you what a nightmare it is to try to buy a gun in NJ.

If you don't mind telling us which state you live in, some of our members that live in your state could tell you what your state's laws are.

chaosmonkie · 01-05-2005, 11:20 PM

i live in california

SouthernMoss · 01-05-2005, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaosmonkie

i live in california

Uh oh!

Kidding aside, I understand that CA laws are fairly strict, and that a lot of guns are illegal to own in CA that might not be illegal to own in some of the more reasonable states. Someone who knows more about CA laws than I will probably be along to give you more information.

Crpdeth · 01-05-2005, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaosmonkie

wow
thats good
i should tell them that too
but none of them drives mercedes

Actually, using my arguement would have worked regardless what they drive, most automobile manufacturers do have a line of automobiles with leather interior.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaosmonkie

i live in california

Really sorry to hear that....

Crpdeth

pickenup · 01-05-2005, 11:52 PM

chaosmonkie,
Welcome to TFF.
Pull up a stump and set a while.

Are the people that are giving you a hard time COMPLETE 100% vegetarians? Do they, or have they ever, ate ANY meat? Beef, fish, fowl, poultry, bacon, etc. Do they use/wear ANY leather? Shoes, wallets, belts, coats, vests, jackets, watch band, etc. If they eat or use any of these products, they are not taking on the responsibility that goes along with “acquiring” these items. They want the convenience of said items, but do not want any part of what it really takes, to put them on the table, or in the closet. They want to "pay" for some one else to do their “dirty” work for them.

Hunters have a responsibility that they accept, when they buy their hunting/fishing license. The number of predatory animals has diminished to the point where if the hunters did not take game, most game would over populate their habitat, and starve to death. Which is better, eating the meat, nourishing our families, as well as saving money at the store, along with using the hide(s), or watching the “starved to death carcasses” rot in the field? The hunters have an important role to play in “game management” of herds, flocks, fish, etc. and are willing to do the “dirty“ work to get the job done.

chaosmonkie · 01-06-2005, 12:09 AM

hmm thats sounds good
maybe that will work

so can that lives in california help me?

pickenup · 01-06-2005, 12:28 AM

SoMo,
Looks like I should quit goofing off and type faster. You beat me to it. With multiple windows open, in different forums, it takes some time to get back to any one post.

Can't help you with the Ca. thing, they have weird gun laws there.
Someone should be along to help though.

358 winchester · 01-06-2005, 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaosmonkie

i live in california

Welcome to the forum and I will pray that you get out of that state as soon as possible

P Please
E Eat
T Tamed
A Animals
so where is your pet I normal like my kittens first and save the puppy for the main course!

That is the only response I give to anti-hunters and I do not eat kittens or puppies! well not often

rosierita · 01-06-2005, 06:56 AM

welcome to the board chaosmonkie!

anti hunters already have their minds made up. i had 1 tell me 1 time that deer should have an equal advantage by owning rifles too.

they went on to tell me that if deer & other wildlife STARVED TO DEATH, that at least it was NATURAL.

unless i am really in the mood to toy w/ someone like this, i just give 1 standard response & that is:

i LOVE animals! they're DELICIOUS!

shuts them up every time.

well, usually, unless they are in the mood to start w/ me & if that is the case ~ i'll list all of the above suggestions & more.

22WRF · 01-06-2005, 08:31 AM

To hunt in Cali you are going to need one of these
Mine is a bit out of date

Dave W. · 01-06-2005, 09:28 AM

Welcome to the board, you should be able to learn alot around here. Lots of helpful people.

Dave

chaosmonkie · 01-06-2005, 10:39 AM

well... i know that you need a hunting license to hunt but my uncle and i dont hunt in california. We go al the way up to Canada. I just want to know if I need some special license or a permit to own a gun.

Crpdeth · 01-06-2005, 10:49 AM

Monkie,

Different rules apply everywhere you go, I have no clue as to whether you need to obtain a permit to own a gun in CA...I am pretty well versed in Tx laws, but I am uneducated on CA laws, ect.

I'm quite sure your uncle would know, as you stated "He is an experienced hunter".

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaosmonkie

*SNIP*-well... i know that you need a hunting license to hunt

The post by 22WRF displays a hunter safety permit, it is seperate and apart from your hunting license, it is usually an eight hour course mandated to insure that you are competant enough to safely hunt in said state.

Good luck

By the way, what gun are you looking to buy in a few months? Us gun owners are courious about such things.

Crpdeth

Hallchinalady · 01-06-2005, 11:39 AM

Welcome choasmonki....I like the idea..." I love animals...they're delicious!!!"

chaosmonkie · 01-06-2005, 11:40 AM

i could call my uncle right now but hes sleeping until 12 and then hes off to very busy work so I can't call him then. I will have to call him around 6pm but I'm just wondering if anyone here that lives in CA could help me. I just want to know fast.

By the way,
when i went hunting with my uncle and his friends, one of his friends had a spare rifle so he let me use it during the trip. It was a .22 LR MagnumLite and it fit me pretty well. I am interested in buying that but i haven't made up my mind yet because there is a variety of hunting rifles out there that i haven't looked into yet. Any suggestions?

Crpdeth · 01-06-2005, 02:11 PM

Many rifle/caliber suggestions could be made, but we would need to know more about what you plan to hunt and what the probabale range/distance you would be shooting could be...Many hunters in my area like the fat heavy bullets such as the 30-30 that cut through the brush easily for hunting hogs and even deer at closer ranges while stalking through the brush...Most deer hunters who hunt from a stationary positions with open "shooting lanes" or lines of sight will often opt for the higher velocity .270, .243 ect, personally I handload for the 25-06 primarily using 120gr bullets, a load which is a very fast and very capable at medium to long range, but it will not take the abuse of any obstructions such as brush/twigs that may be in the way, nor will it maintain accuracy at long ranges in windy conditions.

The game you plan to take and the country/foilage/weather conditions (time of year)/and many other factors can dictate the best caliber for you...What were you hunting in Canada with the .22 Mag?

Crpdeth

chaosmonkie · 01-06-2005, 02:19 PM

I was hunting deer.

IShootBack · 01-06-2005, 06:48 PM

Welcome aboard.

Salvage33 · 01-06-2005, 07:24 PM

chaosmonkie...welcome to the group. Lots of good folks here...even Crpdeth! But since he shoots the same caliber I do...that makes him even smarter! LOL

Don't know where in Kalifornistan you are, but you might check with your local sheriff/police department and get the latest list of permissible firearms you can legally own in the people's republik.

Only advice I can give you is to ask questions...lots of talent, experience, expertise on here. Oh yeah....and lots and lots of opinions!

John

chaosmonkie · 01-06-2005, 07:41 PM

hmmm
different parts of california have different laws?

01-05-2005, 10:39 PM	#1
chaosmonkie Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 40	NEW MEMBER HERE hey guys hows it going im 22 years old and i go to college i went hunting once with my uncle who is a very experienced hunter and ive been to a shooting range a couple of times before i dont own my own gun im getting into this sport and i hope to have fun here by the way... some people at my school hate me because they say i went hunting they say stuff like: "why do you kill those poor animals?" "cant you just leave those animals alone?" "you disgust me... you hunter!" does anyone know how to deal with this stuff? i cant persuade these people -->

01-05-2005, 10:43 PM	#2
TRAP55 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Occupied Territory Of Kalifornia Posts: 1,834	Re: NEW MEMBER HERE Just tell them if God didn't want you to eat them, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. Welcome to the forums monkie! __________________ Aim small...Miss small www.mausercentral.com/forum

01-05-2005, 10:51 PM	#3
chaosmonkie Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 40	Re: NEW MEMBER HERE by the way... im planning on buying my own gun in a couple of months and my uncle is sleeping right now so he will get mad if i call him so ill ask here i know that you have to have a ccw permit to carry a gun around but do you need some license or permit to own a gun?

01-05-2005, 11:10 PM	#4
Crpdeth Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Location: Location Contributor Posts: 8,247	Re: NEW MEMBER HERE Welcome to the forums. Most people have sense enough to know that you have to kill to eat, and then there are those who are just looking for something to whine about...Fortunately I dont have to deal with many of those uppity type in my neck of the woods. I did have one conversation with a guy who was against "all killing" no matter what and didn't mind voicing it, so I asked about his Mercedes Benz, "Mercedes manufactures cars with leather seats" I said, "well mine dosen't have leather" he spouted back, then he carried on about imitation leather for a while, so I asked, dosen't Mercedes manufacture most of its viehicles with real leather seats though? "Yes", "then you are supporting a company who no doubt pays for the slaughter of animals just for their hide" I said, (who really knows, right?) Anyway, he became really defensive and upset so the conversation tapered off real quickly, but the truth of the matter is I could have used many different examples because of the plain fact that animals were put on this earth for meat, bottom line and the real truth of the matter is, if the tree huggers dont like it they can go cry themselves to sleep, hunting has been going on for thousands of years and it will continue to do so regardless of how much whining they do about it. Sorry 'bout their bad luck. Crpdeth __________________ Our greatest pretenses are built up not to hide the evil and the ugly in us, but our emptiness. The hardest thing to hide is something that is not there. ~Eric Hoffer

01-05-2005, 11:13 PM	#5
chaosmonkie Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 40	Re: NEW MEMBER HERE wow thats good i should tell them that too but none of them drives mercedes

01-05-2005, 11:16 PM	#6
SouthernMoss Admin Tech Staff Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: SW MS Contributor Posts: 10,651	Re: NEW MEMBER HERE Welcome, chaosmonkie!! You probably won't be able to have any kind of logical argument with the anti-hunters. Their mind is already made up without even listening to the facts. You could point out that hunting helps prevent overpopulation of animals, who would then die of starvation and disease. You could point out how much hunters support the environment, both through license fees and by charitable giving to organizations such as Ducks Unlimited, etc. You could ask them if they eat hamburgers, wear leather shoes, etc. The answer to your question about needing a license to own a gun depends on which state you live in. Here in MS, I can walk into a gun shop and walk out with a gun within 15 minutes. Njretcop will tell you what a nightmare it is to try to buy a gun in NJ. If you don't mind telling us which state you live in, some of our members that live in your state could tell you what your state's laws are. __________________ My Second protects your First "I declare to you that woman must not depend upon the protection of man, but must be taught to protect herself, and there I take my stand." - Susan B Anthony

01-05-2005, 11:20 PM	#7
chaosmonkie Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 40	Re: NEW MEMBER HERE i live in california

01-05-2005, 11:52 PM	#10
pickenup Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains Posts: 6,838	Re: NEW MEMBER HERE chaosmonkie, Welcome to TFF. Pull up a stump and set a while. Are the people that are giving you a hard time COMPLETE 100% vegetarians? Do they, or have they ever, ate ANY meat? Beef, fish, fowl, poultry, bacon, etc. Do they use/wear ANY leather? Shoes, wallets, belts, coats, vests, jackets, watch band, etc. If they eat or use any of these products, they are not taking on the responsibility that goes along with “acquiring” these items. They want the convenience of said items, but do not want any part of what it really takes, to put them on the table, or in the closet. They want to "pay" for some one else to do their “dirty” work for them. Hunters have a responsibility that they accept, when they buy their hunting/fishing license. The number of predatory animals has diminished to the point where if the hunters did not take game, most game would over populate their habitat, and starve to death. Which is better, eating the meat, nourishing our families, as well as saving money at the store, along with using the hide(s), or watching the “starved to death carcasses” rot in the field? The hunters have an important role to play in “game management” of herds, flocks, fish, etc. and are willing to do the “dirty“ work to get the job done. __________________ The gene pool needs chlorine

01-06-2005, 12:09 AM	#11
chaosmonkie Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 40	Re: NEW MEMBER HERE hmm thats sounds good maybe that will work so can that lives in california help me?

01-06-2005, 12:28 AM	#12
pickenup Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains Posts: 6,838	Re: NEW MEMBER HERE SoMo, Looks like I should quit goofing off and type faster. You beat me to it. With multiple windows open, in different forums, it takes some time to get back to any one post. Can't help you with the Ca. thing, they have weird gun laws there. Someone should be along to help though. __________________ The gene pool needs chlorine

01-06-2005, 06:56 AM	#14
rosierita Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 5,218	Re: NEW MEMBER HERE welcome to the board chaosmonkie! anti hunters already have their minds made up. i had 1 tell me 1 time that deer should have an equal advantage by owning rifles too. they went on to tell me that if deer & other wildlife STARVED TO DEATH, that at least it was NATURAL. unless i am really in the mood to toy w/ someone like this, i just give 1 standard response & that is: i LOVE animals! they're DELICIOUS! shuts them up every time. well, usually, unless they are in the mood to start w/ me & if that is the case ~ i'll list all of the above suggestions & more. __________________

01-06-2005, 08:31 AM	#15
22WRF Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pea Ridge, FL Contributor Posts: 4,253	Re: NEW MEMBER HERE To hunt in Cali you are going to need one of these Mine is a bit out of date Attached Images __________________ NRA GOA CCRKBA Happiness is a warm barrel

01-06-2005, 09:28 AM	#16
Dave W. V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pensacola, Fl. Posts: 137	Re: NEW MEMBER HERE Welcome to the board, you should be able to learn alot around here. Lots of helpful people. Dave

01-06-2005, 10:39 AM	#17
chaosmonkie Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 40	Re: NEW MEMBER HERE well... i know that you need a hunting license to hunt but my uncle and i dont hunt in california. We go al the way up to Canada. I just want to know if I need some special license or a permit to own a gun.

01-06-2005, 11:39 AM	#19
Hallchinalady V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Central Pa. Posts: 383	Re: NEW MEMBER HERE Welcome choasmonki....I like the idea..." I love animals...they're delicious!!!" __________________ I CAN'T ...... is NOT a part of my vocabulary!!!!

01-06-2005, 11:40 AM	#20
chaosmonkie Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 40	Re: NEW MEMBER HERE i could call my uncle right now but hes sleeping until 12 and then hes off to very busy work so I can't call him then. I will have to call him around 6pm but I'm just wondering if anyone here that lives in CA could help me. I just want to know fast. By the way, when i went hunting with my uncle and his friends, one of his friends had a spare rifle so he let me use it during the trip. It was a .22 LR MagnumLite and it fit me pretty well. I am interested in buying that but i haven't made up my mind yet because there is a variety of hunting rifles out there that i haven't looked into yet. Any suggestions?

01-06-2005, 02:11 PM	#21
Crpdeth Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Location: Location Contributor Posts: 8,247	Re: NEW MEMBER HERE Many rifle/caliber suggestions could be made, but we would need to know more about what you plan to hunt and what the probabale range/distance you would be shooting could be...Many hunters in my area like the fat heavy bullets such as the 30-30 that cut through the brush easily for hunting hogs and even deer at closer ranges while stalking through the brush...Most deer hunters who hunt from a stationary positions with open "shooting lanes" or lines of sight will often opt for the higher velocity .270, .243 ect, personally I handload for the 25-06 primarily using 120gr bullets, a load which is a very fast and very capable at medium to long range, but it will not take the abuse of any obstructions such as brush/twigs that may be in the way, nor will it maintain accuracy at long ranges in windy conditions. The game you plan to take and the country/foilage/weather conditions (time of year)/and many other factors can dictate the best caliber for you...What were you hunting in Canada with the .22 Mag? Crpdeth __________________ Our greatest pretenses are built up not to hide the evil and the ugly in us, but our emptiness. The hardest thing to hide is something that is not there. ~Eric Hoffer Last edited by Crpdeth; 01-06-2005 at 02:13 PM..

01-06-2005, 02:19 PM	#22
chaosmonkie Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 40	Re: NEW MEMBER HERE I was hunting deer.

01-06-2005, 06:48 PM	#23
IShootBack Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,306	Re: NEW MEMBER HERE Welcome aboard. __________________ "The Lord is a warrior, the Lord is his name." Exodus15:3

01-06-2005, 07:24 PM	#24
Salvage33 V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Shreveport, LA why leave the USA to visit a 3rd world country? Posts: 475	Re: NEW MEMBER HERE chaosmonkie...welcome to the group. Lots of good folks here...even Crpdeth! But since he shoots the same caliber I do...that makes him even smarter! LOL Don't know where in Kalifornistan you are, but you might check with your local sheriff/police department and get the latest list of permissible firearms you can legally own in the people's republik. Only advice I can give you is to ask questions...lots of talent, experience, expertise on here. Oh yeah....and lots and lots of opinions! John __________________ Living in a nudist colony takes all the fun out of Halloween.

01-06-2005, 07:41 PM	#25
chaosmonkie Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 40	Re: NEW MEMBER HERE hmmm different parts of california have different laws?