Wisconsin Members... Important Constitutional Carry Info... - The Firearms Forum

Hardballer · 11-14-2010, 04:24 PM

This from Nik Clark of Wisconsin Carry.Org...

Greetings in freedom, I apologize for the long email, but there is a lot of information to pass along:

Its been a couple weeks since the satisfying federal and state elections. Here in Wisconsin, we now have a republican controlled state senate, assembly, and a republican governor. The last time conceal carry legislation passed both state houses with veto proof majorities here in Wisconsin it was despite democrat control of those legislative bodies. Of course we all know Gov. Doyle vetoed that legislation.

MANY democrats in the state fully support conceal carry, but there are a few for whom many concessions were made to the last bill in front of the legislature to get that legislation to the governor. With republican control of both state houses the realties have DRASTICALLY shifted. Those concessions are NO longer necessary.

Right now one can open-carry in Wisconsin with NO permit and no registration, etc. 1000's of people open carry every day in Wisconsin. Conceal carry however is banned. In other states there are 2 kinds of conceal carry situations. Some states have what's called "shall issue" laws which means if you meet the qualifications set forth, the state MUST issue you a permit. Some of those qualifications include registration in the form of a permit, a permit tax that can vary widely, from a few $ to hundreds of dollars, mandatory training classes that may cost several hundred dollars, and sometimes even fingerprinting and frequent renewals where you must again pay an expensive permit fee and get re-fingerprinted. The other danger in a shall-issue permit system is that even if the original law has only a small permit tax, in future years when perhaps the state legislature is NOT as gun-rights friendly, they could EASILY jack up the permit tax to HUNDREDS of dollars through a simple budget bill and effectively stifle the ability of many people to afford to renew their permit. Its a dangerous slippery slope that leaves your right to carry at risk to future legislators. We know the Wisconsin legislature/governor is VERY pro-carry right now. You can't be sure after future elections it will be.

The trend is for more and more states to simply allow all law-abiding citizens to carry concealed without a permit. This is called "constitution carry". Constitution carry means you DO NOT have to register with the government, pay expensive fees for a permit, and be required to take expensive mandatory government training classes. You simply have a right to carry in the manner of your choosing as the constitution provides. There are 3 states that allow "constitution carry" Vermont, Alaska, and Arizona. Arizona just passed constitution carry last year. Other states including Utah and Texas are likely to become "constitution carry" states in the next year.

The last time conceal carry was in the legislature, the reality was a shall issue law or no concealed carry. That has changed. NOW with a republican senate, assembly, and governor, the two choices facing Wisconsin are a shall-issue permit system OR constitution carry. One of those options is a virtual certainty this next legislative session. It will be up to YOU to decide which it will be.

There are a number of reasons why constitution carry is the preferred scenario.

As I mentioned above, a shall-issue permit system means you have to register with the government, pay a permit tax (fee), possibly take expensive mandatory government training classes costing hundreds of dollars and even in some cases get fingerprinted.

In addition, a permit system would require a great deal of NEW government resources and databases to administer. This cost would amount to MILLIONS of dollars to implement a system and hundreds of new state government employees to staff that bureaucracy at a time when WISCONSIN IS IN A FISCAL CRISIS. As you all know, "smaller government" is the trend right now and a shall-issue permit bureaucracy flies in the face of that.

Constitution carry would require no fee's, no mandatory government training, no fingerprinting, no new bureaucracy, no waiting months for your permit and no future renewal requirements where you have to go through and pay all that again. Wisconsin Statute 941.23 is the conceal carry ban. If that 130+ year old statute was simply repealed, Wisconsin would become a Constitution Carry state. Wisconsin also needs to repeal 167.31 which would allow you to carry in your vehicle (currently you have to unload and encase your weapon when you get in your car)

Wisconsin Carry believes there will never be a better time to get constitution carry in Wisconsin than RIGHT now.:

-At their state convention in Milwaukee this past summer, the Wisconsin Republican Party voted the right to carry concealed WITHOUT a permit into their official platform.

-Wisconsin Governor Elect Scott Walker has gone ON RECORD stating that IF the legislature gets a repeal of 941.23 to his desk, HE WILL SIGN IT.

-We have a republican controlled state senate, assembly, and republican governor.

There is NO reason we can't have Constitution Carry in Wisconsin. We just need to let our legislators know that is what we want.

Wisconsin Carry, Inc. has been contacted by the United States Conceal Carry Association which has a huge national AND in-state footprint. The USCCA and Wisconsin Carry are in agreement that Constitution Carry is right for Wisconsin and feasible this legislative session.

Wisconsin Carry and the USCCA will be working together on this issue to present a united front in Wisconsin to obtain Constitution Carry for our law-abiding residents.

WHAT CAN YOU DO.

With YOUR help we can make this happen. 3 things. Contact your state senator and assemblymen, Contact Governor Elect Scott Walker, and Contact OTHER gun-rights groups in Wisconsin and ask them to join Wisconsin Carry AND the USCCA and present a united front seeking Constitution Carry In Wisconsin.

First, contact your state senator and assemblyperson and ask that they support Constitution Carry. Politely share with them that since any law abiding citizen in Wisconsin carry currently open-carry with no permit, it makes no sense to have to register with the government and pay expensive permit taxes and submit to mandatory government training just to be able to conceal.

Ask your legislators to support a repeal of 941.23 and 167.31. Share with them that Wisconsin is facing a fiscal crisis, and there is nothing to gain from enacting a new bureaucracy to administer a shall-issue permit system.

You can find your legislators here:

http://legis.wisconsin.gov/w3asp/waml/waml.aspx

Many legislators were just elected 2 weeks ago and they will not take office until Jan 3rd. You should be able to contact those legislators through their campaign websites/facebook pages etc.

Here is a link to all the state election results:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...105000829.html

Second here is a link to contact options to contact Governor Elect Scott Walker. Governor Walker is already on record stating he will sign a repeal of 941.23. Thank him for agreeing to sign that repeal. Ask him to ask the legislature to get a quick clean bill to his desk that would repeal 941.23 and 167.31, which would cost the state nothing, provide our LONG awaited right to conceal carry and allow the state to move on to the business of fixing Wisconsin's fiscal crisis.

email: TRANSITION@WISCONSIN.GOV

mail:

Office of Governor-Elect Scott Walker
17 West Main Street, Suite 301
Madison WI 53702

suggestion form: http://www.transition.wi.gov/stateem....asp?locid=177

THIRD Contact other gun rights groups in Wisconsin and politely ask them to JOIN Wisconsin Carry, Inc. and the United States Conceal Carry Association to present a united front to bring Constitution Carry to Wisconsin. Many of these groups are currently evaluating their position on conceal carry given the election results. Let them know that you support Consitution Carry and you hope they do as well.

Wisconsin Concealed Carry Association:

WCCA
N3292 County Rd E
REDGRANITE, WI 54970
http://www.wisconsinconcealedcarry.com/

BY PHONE: 920.295.9435

BY EMAIL: info @ wisconsinconcealedcarry.com

BOARD MEMBERS:
Bill Schmitz, Chairman
bill.schmitz @ wisconsinconcealedcarry.com

WI-Force: (state NRA chartered association)

http://www.wrpa.com/

President:
Jeff Nass
nass@athenet.net
N615 Silver Ln.
Pulaski WI 54162-8320
920-687-0505

Vice President:
Jim Proulx
JPROULX@WI.RR.COM
9356 W. Dixon St.
Milwaukee, Wi. 53214-1268
414-778-1898

Treasurer:
Paul Baumann
pobaumann@gmail.com
P.O.Box 808
Kenosha, WI 53141-0808
Phone: 262-551-7848

Secretary:
Gary Nichols
gnichols@wi.rr.com
W271N7055 Hansen Dr
Sussex, WI 53089
262-246-3317
Cell 262-364-8737

National Rifle Association Contacts:

NRA Director:
Buster Bachhuber
bustergun@aol.com
2603 Julip Drive
Wausau, WI 54401
(715) 675-9230

NRA Field Representative:
Scott Taetsch
staetsch@nrahq.org
PO Box 157
Gleason, WI 54435-0157
Office: 715-873-3360
Fax: 715-873-3361

NRA-ILA Representative:
Jordan Austin
jaustin@nrahq.org
National Rifle Association
11250 Waples Mill Road
Fairfax, VA 22030
702-267-1222

NRA-ILA Grassroots Coordinator:
Katrina Ruminski
KRuminski@nrahq.org
NRA-ILA Grassroots Division
11250 Waples Mill Road
Fairfax, VA 22030
Phone: (703) 267-1194
Fax: (703) 267-3918

Carry On!

Nik Clark
Chairman/President - Wisconsin Carry, Inc.
Nik@wisconsincarry.org

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hogger129 · 11-14-2010, 07:06 PM

Thanks Hardballer. I cannot wait for concealed carry to finally be legal here.

Hardballer · 11-15-2010, 01:41 AM

Got that right Hogger!

11-14-2010, 04:24 PM	#1
Hardballer V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Smack dab in da middle Posts: 471	Wisconsin Members... Important Constitutional Carry Info... This from Nik Clark of Wisconsin Carry.Org... Greetings in freedom, I apologize for the long email, but there is a lot of information to pass along: Its been a couple weeks since the satisfying federal and state elections. Here in Wisconsin, we now have a republican controlled state senate, assembly, and a republican governor. The last time conceal carry legislation passed both state houses with veto proof majorities here in Wisconsin it was despite democrat control of those legislative bodies. Of course we all know Gov. Doyle vetoed that legislation. MANY democrats in the state fully support conceal carry, but there are a few for whom many concessions were made to the last bill in front of the legislature to get that legislation to the governor. With republican control of both state houses the realties have DRASTICALLY shifted. Those concessions are NO longer necessary. Right now one can open-carry in Wisconsin with NO permit and no registration, etc. 1000's of people open carry every day in Wisconsin. Conceal carry however is banned. In other states there are 2 kinds of conceal carry situations. Some states have what's called "shall issue" laws which means if you meet the qualifications set forth, the state MUST issue you a permit. Some of those qualifications include registration in the form of a permit, a permit tax that can vary widely, from a few $ to hundreds of dollars, mandatory training classes that may cost several hundred dollars, and sometimes even fingerprinting and frequent renewals where you must again pay an expensive permit fee and get re-fingerprinted. The other danger in a shall-issue permit system is that even if the original law has only a small permit tax, in future years when perhaps the state legislature is NOT as gun-rights friendly, they could EASILY jack up the permit tax to HUNDREDS of dollars through a simple budget bill and effectively stifle the ability of many people to afford to renew their permit. Its a dangerous slippery slope that leaves your right to carry at risk to future legislators. We know the Wisconsin legislature/governor is VERY pro-carry right now. You can't be sure after future elections it will be. The trend is for more and more states to simply allow all law-abiding citizens to carry concealed without a permit. This is called "constitution carry". Constitution carry means you DO NOT have to register with the government, pay expensive fees for a permit, and be required to take expensive mandatory government training classes. You simply have a right to carry in the manner of your choosing as the constitution provides. There are 3 states that allow "constitution carry" Vermont, Alaska, and Arizona. Arizona just passed constitution carry last year. Other states including Utah and Texas are likely to become "constitution carry" states in the next year. The last time conceal carry was in the legislature, the reality was a shall issue law or no concealed carry. That has changed. NOW with a republican senate, assembly, and governor, the two choices facing Wisconsin are a shall-issue permit system OR constitution carry. One of those options is a virtual certainty this next legislative session. It will be up to YOU to decide which it will be. There are a number of reasons why constitution carry is the preferred scenario. As I mentioned above, a shall-issue permit system means you have to register with the government, pay a permit tax (fee), possibly take expensive mandatory government training classes costing hundreds of dollars and even in some cases get fingerprinted. In addition, a permit system would require a great deal of NEW government resources and databases to administer. This cost would amount to MILLIONS of dollars to implement a system and hundreds of new state government employees to staff that bureaucracy at a time when WISCONSIN IS IN A FISCAL CRISIS. As you all know, "smaller government" is the trend right now and a shall-issue permit bureaucracy flies in the face of that. Constitution carry would require no fee's, no mandatory government training, no fingerprinting, no new bureaucracy, no waiting months for your permit and no future renewal requirements where you have to go through and pay all that again. Wisconsin Statute 941.23 is the conceal carry ban. If that 130+ year old statute was simply repealed, Wisconsin would become a Constitution Carry state. Wisconsin also needs to repeal 167.31 which would allow you to carry in your vehicle (currently you have to unload and encase your weapon when you get in your car) Wisconsin Carry believes there will never be a better time to get constitution carry in Wisconsin than RIGHT now.: -At their state convention in Milwaukee this past summer, the Wisconsin Republican Party voted the right to carry concealed WITHOUT a permit into their official platform. -Wisconsin Governor Elect Scott Walker has gone ON RECORD stating that IF the legislature gets a repeal of 941.23 to his desk, HE WILL SIGN IT. -We have a republican controlled state senate, assembly, and republican governor. There is NO reason we can't have Constitution Carry in Wisconsin. We just need to let our legislators know that is what we want. Wisconsin Carry, Inc. has been contacted by the United States Conceal Carry Association which has a huge national AND in-state footprint. The USCCA and Wisconsin Carry are in agreement that Constitution Carry is right for Wisconsin and feasible this legislative session. Wisconsin Carry and the USCCA will be working together on this issue to present a united front in Wisconsin to obtain Constitution Carry for our law-abiding residents. WHAT CAN YOU DO. With YOUR help we can make this happen. 3 things. Contact your state senator and assemblymen, Contact Governor Elect Scott Walker, and Contact OTHER gun-rights groups in Wisconsin and ask them to join Wisconsin Carry AND the USCCA and present a united front seeking Constitution Carry In Wisconsin. First, contact your state senator and assemblyperson and ask that they support Constitution Carry. Politely share with them that since any law abiding citizen in Wisconsin carry currently open-carry with no permit, it makes no sense to have to register with the government and pay expensive permit taxes and submit to mandatory government training just to be able to conceal. Ask your legislators to support a repeal of 941.23 and 167.31. Share with them that Wisconsin is facing a fiscal crisis, and there is nothing to gain from enacting a new bureaucracy to administer a shall-issue permit system. You can find your legislators here: http://legis.wisconsin.gov/w3asp/waml/waml.aspx Many legislators were just elected 2 weeks ago and they will not take office until Jan 3rd. You should be able to contact those legislators through their campaign websites/facebook pages etc. Here is a link to all the state election results: http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...105000829.html Second here is a link to contact options to contact Governor Elect Scott Walker. Governor Walker is already on record stating he will sign a repeal of 941.23. Thank him for agreeing to sign that repeal. Ask him to ask the legislature to get a quick clean bill to his desk that would repeal 941.23 and 167.31, which would cost the state nothing, provide our LONG awaited right to conceal carry and allow the state to move on to the business of fixing Wisconsin's fiscal crisis. email: TRANSITION@WISCONSIN.GOV mail: Office of Governor-Elect Scott Walker 17 West Main Street, Suite 301 Madison WI 53702 suggestion form: http://www.transition.wi.gov/stateem....asp?locid=177 THIRD Contact other gun rights groups in Wisconsin and politely ask them to JOIN Wisconsin Carry, Inc. and the United States Conceal Carry Association to present a united front to bring Constitution Carry to Wisconsin. Many of these groups are currently evaluating their position on conceal carry given the election results. Let them know that you support Consitution Carry and you hope they do as well. Wisconsin Concealed Carry Association: WCCA N3292 County Rd E REDGRANITE, WI 54970 http://www.wisconsinconcealedcarry.com/ BY PHONE: 920.295.9435 BY EMAIL: info @ wisconsinconcealedcarry.com BOARD MEMBERS: Bill Schmitz, Chairman bill.schmitz @ wisconsinconcealedcarry.com WI-Force: (state NRA chartered association) http://www.wrpa.com/ President: Jeff Nass nass@athenet.net N615 Silver Ln. Pulaski WI 54162-8320 920-687-0505 Vice President: Jim Proulx JPROULX@WI.RR.COM 9356 W. Dixon St. Milwaukee, Wi. 53214-1268 414-778-1898 Treasurer: Paul Baumann pobaumann@gmail.com P.O.Box 808 Kenosha, WI 53141-0808 Phone: 262-551-7848 Secretary: Gary Nichols gnichols@wi.rr.com W271N7055 Hansen Dr Sussex, WI 53089 262-246-3317 Cell 262-364-8737 National Rifle Association Contacts: NRA Director: Buster Bachhuber bustergun@aol.com 2603 Julip Drive Wausau, WI 54401 (715) 675-9230 NRA Field Representative: Scott Taetsch staetsch@nrahq.org PO Box 157 Gleason, WI 54435-0157 Office: 715-873-3360 Fax: 715-873-3361 NRA-ILA Representative: Jordan Austin jaustin@nrahq.org National Rifle Association 11250 Waples Mill Road Fairfax, VA 22030 702-267-1222 NRA-ILA Grassroots Coordinator: Katrina Ruminski KRuminski@nrahq.org NRA-ILA Grassroots Division 11250 Waples Mill Road Fairfax, VA 22030 Phone: (703) 267-1194 Fax: (703) 267-3918 Carry On! Nik Clark Chairman/President - Wisconsin Carry, Inc. 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11-14-2010, 07:06 PM	#2
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,078	Re: Wisconsin Members... Important Constitutional Carry Info... Thanks Hardballer. I cannot wait for concealed carry to finally be legal here.

11-15-2010, 01:41 AM	#3
Hardballer V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Smack dab in da middle Posts: 471	Re: Wisconsin Members... Important Constitutional Carry Info... Got that right Hogger!