help with 9mm load

[gof31]

i cant seem to find any info on this
i have 9mm luger 125 gr cast lead round nose, i am using winchester 231 powder, im looking at using a load of 4.0gr,
what should my over all lenght be and has anyone used this load?
btw im new to this if you cant tell

[TranterUK]

1.090". I have only seen 231 used with 115gn bullet, where 4gr is a good start load. Go to the internet, Winchester powder, load data. I am sure you will find a listing of start and max loads.

Oh and welcome to TFF....

[gof31]

i found some info on wwpowder for a 125 load using 231 powder, but it says its for 125gr lcn im looking for 125gr lrn and the 9mm luger rounds i have ( not home made is 1.165 over all lenght, it will change from powder to powder correct?

[gof31]

anyone'?

[22WRF]

The COL is 1.125 for 125 gr cast

http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp

[gof31]

you mean 1.125???
and now the dumbest question of them all
what the heck is lcn??? i am casting lrn
cant find any info on lcn?

[22WRF]

yes 1.125

LCN is lead cast roundnose

[gof31]

22wrf
THANK YOU !!!so now i have all the specs i need and feel even more like an idiot for not knowing what lcn is lol, the whole time i was looking for LRN
cheers and thanks again

[22WRF]

There are SWAGED lead bullets and of a hot-cast lead bullets. The load data will be the same. If you are casting your own then they are LCN

[22WRF]

You might keep the load down to 3.9 gr of 231 to keep the barrel leading down.
3.9 is 1000 fps I try to keep my cast bullets around 900 fps

[gof31]

yes i cast my own
nice and cheap lol
5 cents compaired to 30 cents a round for 9mm

[gof31]

thats what i was planning on 3.9gr and my cast is about 16 bhn,

[Alpo]

I wrote Hodgdon. I find that, whenever I see something and think, "What the hell is that?", it helps to email the people that put it there, and ask, "What the hell is that?"

Mike, at Hodgdons, said LCN means Lead Conical Nose. I presume that to be a Truncated Cone, since I've never seen a true "conical nosed" bullet. Leastways, not in a cast 9mm.

Generally, when listing bullet types, you list the type, then the design. LSWC would be Lead Semi WadCutter. LRN would be Lead Round Nose. FMJRN would be Full Metal Jacket Round Nose. Occasionally you will see someone on the net write something like CLRN, for Cast Lead Round Nose, but in a standard loading manual I doubt you would see a C in front of the bullet, as the loads they list will be safe with a swaged bullet, and they, therefore, won't care whether you use swaged or cast. So this LCN follows the pattern. Lead, Conical Nose.

I wish, though, that people would look up the standard abbreviations, and use them, instead of making up their own. I saw a post, recently (I think it was on this forum, but am not absolutely sure) where he said he was loading SWL. Best I could figger, that was Semi Wadcutter Lead. Standard abbreviation, used everywhere, for that would be LSWC. Just a minor irritation. It's so much easier to either help others, or to learn from others, if you can decipher what they are trying to say.

[TranterUK]

Originally Posted by Alpo

I wish, though, that people would look up the standard abbreviations, and use them, instead of making up their own.

I agree with that. There are established descriptions, if in doubt, people should say the whole thing. Might cut down on the LRNSWCFMJHSPs. Not that you can find them these days.

[Haligan]

Originally Posted by TranterUK

I agree with that. There are established descriptions, if in doubt, people should say the whole thing. Might cut down on the LRNSWCFMJHSPs. Not that you can find them these days.

I'm glad you said it Tanter.

How about no abriviations. I hate abriviations. The medical industry is full of em. The fire service is full of em.
Why can't we call a Jacketed Hollow Point a Jacketed Hollow Point?
We've got so many abrieviations for everything. I can't take it anymore.
Try talking to a paramedic about anything on a call and you need a damn PDR. THAT'S PHYSICANS DESK REFRENCE BOOK FOR ALL OF YOU WHO DIDN'T KNOW !!!!.
Try talking to a doctor about something. SAME THING !
"How was your night hun."

"Oh not bad we had a MVA, had to get PD, PW, and PSEG down their, we called dispatch to get an ETA and they said and hour, We told better make it ASAP. OEM didn't show up for two hours. Good thing we had a good CO though.........."

Sorry for venting, and for hyjacking the thread.

IMHO this society is just too damn lazy. LOL.

[Alpo]

Abbreviations were invented for writing. If you have a quarter-inch-long line to write on, on the label for your reloads, JHP takes up much less room than Jacketed Hollow Point.

Same for a doctor. It is so much quicker, and takes up waaay less room, to write EKG than Electro Cardio Gram.

The trouble happens when you write it often enough that you think of it as the abbreviation. I do NDT. That's Non Destructive Testing. I do PT, MT, ET, VT, UT and RT. That's liquid Penetrant Testing, Magnetic particle Testing, Eddy current Testing, Visual Testing, Ultrasonic Testing and Radiographic Testing. Now you see why we abbreviate? And we say it, also. I don't say I'm going to perform Radiographic Examination on something, I say I'm gonna RT it. If I say that around someone that is not in the business, they say, "What?", and I translate it into "normal speech" - "I'm gonna x-ray it".

I'm sure that, if the doctor or EMT says something you don't understand, if you said, "What?", he'd explain it.

[TranterUK]

Alpo has a point, on a box of cartridges with limited space it makes sense to print 9mm JHP or FMJ. It's just that the more variations the more complex it becomes. I grew up with these, I knew them by heart. I even remember the first 'new one' to confuse me, it was TMJ.

Heres a few that may just catch you out, they are genuine: BBWC, DEWC, W/C, IB and for the specialists SX and UHC.

[Alpo]

I think Speer still calls them Total Metal Jacket, but most people seem to be calling them CC - Copper Coated.

The Bevel Base Wad Cutter (not to be confused with the Hollow Base Wad Cutter) is easy, as is the Double Ended Wad Cutter and the Wad Cutter. No idea about the IB. SX could be Super X, I suppose, but never heard of UHC.