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luckyfugal · 09-09-2009, 06:12 AM

ok i am new to this forum and to reloading. So hello everyone and thank you in advance.

ok I have a Remington Model 700 cdl 7mm rem mag, 26"
So i thought i had got a good load worked up. that being a hornady 161.6 grn bullet, winchester case all messured to 2.490 exact and weighed out at 131.6 grns, and a light charge of 59 grns IMR 4831. I was able to shoot 12 rounds under a quarter at 100 yrds with this recipe.

however, sense then i cant hold a 0 for more than 3-4 rounds. i have never had this issue before and i must say i am starting to get frustrated. I think it is my optics, my friend thought it was shooter error until i let him try with the same results. so he now thinks its the load. I just bought a new scope (Intinstity 6.5-20 X 44mm a/o optics with fully multi-coated lenses.) I dont know where to start?

here are a few other loads i have tryed so far.

sierra 160 grn spbt
winchester case
60-63.5 grns IMR 4831

barnes txs 140 grn
winchester case
162-166 grns IMR 4831

hornady 162 grn spbt
winchester case
59-63 grns IMR 4831

mrkirker · 09-09-2009, 06:25 AM

Scope mounts loose?

luckyfugal · 09-09-2009, 06:48 AM

nope i checked those accouple of times now. hopeing it was something like that.

woolleyworm · 09-09-2009, 08:33 AM

If you can get your hands on a ring lapper, set it up on the rings and see if you have any misalignment. Seems to me that the optics are the issue here also, maybe some twist or undue stress on the scope tube; this could definetly cause the problem you're describing.

mrkirker · 09-09-2009, 09:15 AM

Exactly when did the problem begin? Before the new scope, or after?

mikld · 09-09-2009, 10:50 AM

Maybe your barrel is fouled with copper; jacket material?

luckyfugal · 09-09-2009, 03:38 PM

It started after the new scope. Which is why its my first guess.

Copper fouling good thought, I plugged the muzzle and gave the bore a good dose of ammonia for about 10-15 min. Then scrubed with a bore brush till it gleamed. But it didnt resolve the issue.

I tightend the scope rings a bit. I'm scared to over tighten them and damage my optics, but it did seam that might have improved the shot grouping. However there was some good heat wave interferance, which as you'all know can cause your shots to walk on the target a bit. So maybe with some luck it will hold a 0 with the heat waves removed from the equation. I'll let you all know yes/no on the out come.

Thanks for the help so far. I appriciate all of it.

woolleyworm · 09-09-2009, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luckyfugal

It started after the new scope. Which is why its my first guess.

I tightend the scope rings a bit. I'm scared to over tighten them and damage my optics, but it did seam that might have improved the shot grouping.

This tells me one thing and i would pretty much bet a paycheck that if you follow my .02 of advice, you'll have a repeatable zero, if you haven't already tweaked your scope tube.

Align your rings and torque your scope mounts, this is the only way to ensure that you don't damage a scope.

If you don't have the means to align and torque the mount; then by all means take it to a local gunsmith and have him do it; it will be worth every penny. Less frustration, no damage to equipment and you'll be able to hit what you're aiming at! Good luck to you!

Bindernut · 09-09-2009, 05:04 PM

If it started after the new optics install, that would be my first suspect too.

Also what type of mounts are you using? Pretty much every factory-barreled Remington that I've ever scoped out has been so far off of center that most scope mount systems won't align to the barrel without getting the windage adjustment in the scope too far one way or the other. If your scope is on the extreme of their adjustment range some brands/models will have a hard time keeping a zero.
On the rifle end of the equation, I think it's an issue of the barrel not being threaded to the receiver as square s it should be...and some brands of scope have a larger adjustment range than others too, so that might be why the old scope could get "dialed in".
I usually use Redfield dovetail style bases with the windage screw out back so I can get the scope boresighted with it's adjustments as close to the center of their range as possible.

I don't know anything about ATK's scope lines...no dealers in my area so I haven't had a chance to check them out in person. Is is a rebrand of one of the Weaver models? (ATK bought out Weaver last year).

luckyfugal · 09-10-2009, 01:07 AM

I dont have any tools for scope alignment and such. So I'll have my gunsmith buddy check all thoughs possibility's out on the mounts/rings tomorrow.

thank you.

luckyfugal · 09-10-2009, 03:56 PM

I don't know anything about ATK's scope lines...no dealers in my area so I haven't had a chance to check them out in person. Is is a rebrand of one of the Weaver models? (ATK bought out Weaver last year).[/QUOTE]

I am not sure. i just know it was recommended by a gunsmith i know, and was replacing my old simmons 3X9. which didnt hold up so well on the 7MM. I use the simmons for a baby raddle now. lol

09-09-2009, 06:12 AM	#1
luckyfugal Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5	need help. ok i am new to this forum and to reloading. So hello everyone and thank you in advance. ok I have a Remington Model 700 cdl 7mm rem mag, 26" So i thought i had got a good load worked up. that being a hornady 161.6 grn bullet, winchester case all messured to 2.490 exact and weighed out at 131.6 grns, and a light charge of 59 grns IMR 4831. I was able to shoot 12 rounds under a quarter at 100 yrds with this recipe. however, sense then i cant hold a 0 for more than 3-4 rounds. i have never had this issue before and i must say i am starting to get frustrated. I think it is my optics, my friend thought it was shooter error until i let him try with the same results. so he now thinks its the load. I just bought a new scope (Intinstity 6.5-20 X 44mm a/o optics with fully multi-coated lenses.) I dont know where to start? here are a few other loads i have tryed so far. sierra 160 grn spbt winchester case 60-63.5 grns IMR 4831 barnes txs 140 grn winchester case 162-166 grns IMR 4831 hornady 162 grn spbt winchester case 59-63 grns IMR 4831 --> Last edited by luckyfugal; 09-09-2009 at 06:14 AM..

09-09-2009, 06:25 AM	#2
mrkirker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,067	Re: need help. Scope mounts loose? __________________ *I don't know if dogs have a heaven, but there will be dogs in mine.*

09-09-2009, 06:48 AM	#3
luckyfugal Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5	Re: need help. nope i checked those accouple of times now. hopeing it was something like that. Last edited by luckyfugal; 09-09-2009 at 06:52 AM..

09-09-2009, 08:33 AM	#4
woolleyworm TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SW Fort Worth Contributor Posts: 4,881	Re: need help. If you can get your hands on a ring lapper, set it up on the rings and see if you have any misalignment. Seems to me that the optics are the issue here also, maybe some twist or undue stress on the scope tube; this could definetly cause the problem you're describing. __________________ . What are you gonna do, talk the alien to death? -- (on Sigourney Weaver's worry about Guns in Aliens) "Safety is something that happens between your ears, not something you hold in your hands." "I carry a small gun to compensate for my huge Blue press." .

09-09-2009, 09:15 AM	#5
mrkirker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,067	Re: need help. Exactly when did the problem begin? Before the new scope, or after? __________________ *I don't know if dogs have a heaven, but there will be dogs in mine.*

09-09-2009, 10:50 AM	#6
mikld Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Oregon Posts: 573	Re: need help. Maybe your barrel is fouled with copper; jacket material? __________________ My Anchor is holding fast.

09-09-2009, 03:38 PM	#7
luckyfugal Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5	Re: need help. It started after the new scope. Which is why its my first guess. Copper fouling good thought, I plugged the muzzle and gave the bore a good dose of ammonia for about 10-15 min. Then scrubed with a bore brush till it gleamed. But it didnt resolve the issue. I tightend the scope rings a bit. I'm scared to over tighten them and damage my optics, but it did seam that might have improved the shot grouping. However there was some good heat wave interferance, which as you'all know can cause your shots to walk on the target a bit. So maybe with some luck it will hold a 0 with the heat waves removed from the equation. I'll let you all know yes/no on the out come. Thanks for the help so far. I appriciate all of it.

09-09-2009, 05:04 PM	#9
Bindernut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ND, USA Posts: 2,432	Re: need help. If it started after the new optics install, that would be my first suspect too. Also what type of mounts are you using? Pretty much every factory-barreled Remington that I've ever scoped out has been so far off of center that most scope mount systems won't align to the barrel without getting the windage adjustment in the scope too far one way or the other. If your scope is on the extreme of their adjustment range some brands/models will have a hard time keeping a zero. On the rifle end of the equation, I think it's an issue of the barrel not being threaded to the receiver as square s it should be...and some brands of scope have a larger adjustment range than others too, so that might be why the old scope could get "dialed in". I usually use Redfield dovetail style bases with the windage screw out back so I can get the scope boresighted with it's adjustments as close to the center of their range as possible. I don't know anything about ATK's scope lines...no dealers in my area so I haven't had a chance to check them out in person. Is is a rebrand of one of the Weaver models? (ATK bought out Weaver last year).

09-10-2009, 01:07 AM	#10
luckyfugal Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5	Re: need help. I dont have any tools for scope alignment and such. So I'll have my gunsmith buddy check all thoughs possibility's out on the mounts/rings tomorrow. thank you. Last edited by luckyfugal; 09-10-2009 at 08:37 AM..

09-10-2009, 03:56 PM	#11
luckyfugal Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5	Re: need help. I don't know anything about ATK's scope lines...no dealers in my area so I haven't had a chance to check them out in person. Is is a rebrand of one of the Weaver models? (ATK bought out Weaver last year).[/QUOTE] I am not sure. i just know it was recommended by a gunsmith i know, and was replacing my old simmons 3X9. which didnt hold up so well on the 7MM. I use the simmons for a baby raddle now. lol