KENYAN Birth Certificate surfaces - The Firearms Forum

Marlin T · 08-11-2009, 02:45 AM

BORN IN THE USA?
Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
Attorney files motion for authentication of alleged 1960s certificate from Africa

Posted: August 02, 2009
11:55 am Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily

WASHINGTON – California attorney Orly Taitz, who has filed a number of lawsuits demanding proof of Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as president, has released a copy of what purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth and has filed a new motion in U.S. District Court for its authentication.

This document purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth for Barack Obama, allegedly born in Mombasa, Kenya, in 1961
The document lists Obama's parents as Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Obama, formerly Stanley Ann Dunham, the birth date as Aug. 4, 1961, and the hospital of birth as Coast General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.

Document enlarged to show detail alleges Barack Obama was born at Coast General Hospital in Mombasa on Aug. 4, 1961
No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature of the deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Oduya. It was allegedly issued as a certified copy of the original in February 1964.
WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical.

An enlarged view of the bottom of the document

Last week, a counterfeit document purporting to be Obama's Kenyan birth certificate made the rounds of the Internet, but was quickly determined to be fraudulent. The new document released by Taitz bears none of the obvious traits of a hoax.
One of the issues Taitz must deal with will be the authentication of the document. Critics immediately jumped on the Feb. 17, 1964, date for the document, explaining that the "republic" of Kenya wasn't assembled until in December of that year.
Media Matters wrote, "Sorry, WorldNetDaily: Kenya wasn't a republic until Dec. 1964."
But Kenya's official independence was in 1963, and any number of labels could have been applied to government documents during that time period.
At Ameriborn Constitution News, the researcher noted that the independence process for the nation actually started taking as early as 1957, when there were the first direct elections for Africans to the Legislative Council.
"Kenya became an Independent Republic, December 12, 1963, which gives more [credibility] that this is a true document," the website stated.
The 1963 independence is corroborated by several other information sources, including the online African History.
Even the People Daily news agency cited, on Dec. 12, 2005, the "42nd independence anniversary" in Nairobi. "The country gained independence from Britain on Dec. 12, 1963," the report said.
An online copy of the Kenya Constitution, "adopted in 1963, amended in 1999," states: "CHAPTER I - THE REPUBLIC OF KENYA, Article 1, Kenya is a sovereign Republic. Article 1A, The Republic of Kenya shall be a multiparty democratic state…"
It was in November 1964 when the region voluntarily became a one-party state, according to an online source.
The region including Mombasa originally was dealt with as a separate independence movement, but it almost immediately became part of Kenya when the sultan of Zanzibar ceded the "coastal strip" to Kenya, according to sources.
Taitz told WND that the document came from an anonymous source who doesn't want his name known because "he's afraid for his life."
Taitz's motion, filed yesterday in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California, requests the purported evidence of Obama's birth – both the alleged birth certificate and foreign records not yet obtained – be preserved from destruction, asks for permission to legally request documents from Kenya and seeks a subpoena for deposition from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
"I filed the motion with the court asking for expedited discovery, which would allow me to start subpoenas and depositions even before Obama and the government responds," Taitz told WND. "I am asking the judge to give me the power to subpoena the documents from the Kenyan embassy and to require a deposition from Hillary Clinton so they will be forced to authenticate [the birth certificate].
"I'm forcing the issue, where Obama will have to respond," she said.
"Before, they said, 'You don't have anything backing your claims,'" Taitz explained. "Now I have something. In fact, I have posted on the Internet more than Obama has. My birth certificate actually has signatures."

THE REST OF THE ARTICLE IS AVAILABLE HERE
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764

Suicide*Ride · 08-11-2009, 04:06 AM

OK, now what?!! Is this gunna be the magic document that removes JOTUS from office? I guess it's time to bust out the EBR.

Even if the doc. is genuine, we all know what obozo's gunna say....

SR

ponycar17 · 08-11-2009, 05:25 AM

This topic originally surfaced here... It's OK to rehash in my book because I don't think enough people saw it.

This is my take on the situation from that thread...

Did anyone else pick up on the fact that Hillary Clinton arrived in Nairobi, Kenya on Monday of this week as part of her 'African Tour'?...

Quote:

Clinton tells Kenya to implement delayed reforms
By Sue Pleming
Reuters
Wednesday, August 5, 2009 12:02 PM

NAIROBI (Reuters) - Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told Kenya's government on Wednesday it must quickly implement long-delayed reforms and that corruption, impunity and human rights abuses were holding the country back.

Carrying a personal message from U.S. President Barack Obama, whose father was Kenyan, Clinton said she told President Mwai Kibaki and Prime Minister Raila Odinga they must work harder to fully implement a power-sharing deal that ended bloodletting after a disputed December 2007 election.

Clinton is in Nairobi for a U.S. trade conference with sub-Saharan African countries, where she warned that investors would shun states on the continent that had weak leaders and economies riddled with corruption and crime.....

Continued at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...080502039.html

Come on guys. I'm slow. I figured someone would have beat me to this already. I heard about it on Monday when the media said that Bill Clinton was in N. Korea, while Hillary was in Kenya. I guess there goes all hope that a birth certificate might be discovered even if real.

It's reminiscent of how Mr. Barry went to HI before the election to be at the side of his dear old typical white lady grandmother, and a HI official came out a few days later to proclaim that she had seen the original long form birth certificate and it looks the same as her own, right?... The Governor of HI then sealed the original birth certificate.

I'll even add the little picture I made with Gimp last night to this thread.

Suicide*Ride · 08-11-2009, 07:07 AM

Pony, why do you sound like the cat that ate the canary?

I don't know 'bout y'all but I'm thinking somebody's trying to sabotage JOTUS.
(joke of the United States

)

SR

jim summers · 08-11-2009, 09:40 AM

Will it really make a difference(I don't really think so) what we got is what we will have.

bcj1755 · 08-11-2009, 10:07 AM

ponycar17, you use Gimp, huh? You wouldn't happen to be running Linux would you?

ponycar17 · 08-11-2009, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bcj1755

ponycar17, you use Gimp, huh? You wouldn't happen to be running Linux would you?

No, I used Linux and Unix a bit in college but I gave up on it back then. I run Vista with all the bells and whistles turned off. I have thought about running a multiple boot system with Linux as a secondary OS but haven't had the desire to mess with it yet.

bcj1755 · 08-11-2009, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ponycar17

No, I used Linux and Unix a bit in college but I gave up on it back then. I run Vista with all the bells and whistles turned off. I have thought about running a multiple boot system with Linux as a secondary OS but haven't had the desire to mess with it yet.

I used to run a dual-boot Linux/Win XP system, but I finally gave up on Winblows

Bobitis · 08-11-2009, 06:24 PM

So Obomba gets recalled.
Then what?
Biden? Pelosi as next in line?

The way I see it, Obomba is just a front man (and a poor one at that).
Our true enemy is congress.

We can make changes next year to tackle this.
Then more changes in 2012.

We got thru Carter. We can weather this as well.

And if someone doesn't turn OFF that car alarm, I'm gonna put a .308 in the block!

Sorry.

Mr. Nameless · 08-11-2009, 06:25 PM

Hmm, I wonder if he rest of the democratic party knew about this....

08-11-2009, 02:45 AM	#1
Marlin T Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Mexico Posts: 7,857	KENYAN Birth Certificate surfaces BORN IN THE USA? Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth? Attorney files motion for authentication of alleged 1960s certificate from Africa Posted: August 02, 2009 11:55 am Eastern © 2009 WorldNetDaily WASHINGTON – California attorney Orly Taitz, who has filed a number of lawsuits demanding proof of Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as president, has released a copy of what purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth and has filed a new motion in U.S. District Court for its authentication. This document purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth for Barack Obama, allegedly born in Mombasa, Kenya, in 1961 The document lists Obama's parents as Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Obama, formerly Stanley Ann Dunham, the birth date as Aug. 4, 1961, and the hospital of birth as Coast General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. Document enlarged to show detail alleges Barack Obama was born at Coast General Hospital in Mombasa on Aug. 4, 1961 No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature of the deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Oduya. It was allegedly issued as a certified copy of the original in February 1964. WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical. An enlarged view of the bottom of the document Last week, a counterfeit document purporting to be Obama's Kenyan birth certificate made the rounds of the Internet, but was quickly determined to be fraudulent. The new document released by Taitz bears none of the obvious traits of a hoax. One of the issues Taitz must deal with will be the authentication of the document. Critics immediately jumped on the Feb. 17, 1964, date for the document, explaining that the "republic" of Kenya wasn't assembled until in December of that year. Media Matters wrote, "Sorry, WorldNetDaily: Kenya wasn't a republic until Dec. 1964." But Kenya's official independence was in 1963, and any number of labels could have been applied to government documents during that time period. At Ameriborn Constitution News, the researcher noted that the independence process for the nation actually started taking as early as 1957, when there were the first direct elections for Africans to the Legislative Council. "Kenya became an Independent Republic, December 12, 1963, which gives more [credibility] that this is a true document," the website stated. The 1963 independence is corroborated by several other information sources, including the online African History. Even the People Daily news agency cited, on Dec. 12, 2005, the "42nd independence anniversary" in Nairobi. "The country gained independence from Britain on Dec. 12, 1963," the report said. An online copy of the Kenya Constitution, "adopted in 1963, amended in 1999," states: "CHAPTER I - THE REPUBLIC OF KENYA, Article 1, Kenya is a sovereign Republic. Article 1A, The Republic of Kenya shall be a multiparty democratic state…" It was in November 1964 when the region voluntarily became a one-party state, according to an online source. The region including Mombasa originally was dealt with as a separate independence movement, but it almost immediately became part of Kenya when the sultan of Zanzibar ceded the "coastal strip" to Kenya, according to sources. Taitz told WND that the document came from an anonymous source who doesn't want his name known because "he's afraid for his life." Taitz's motion, filed yesterday in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California, requests the purported evidence of Obama's birth – both the alleged birth certificate and foreign records not yet obtained – be preserved from destruction, asks for permission to legally request documents from Kenya and seeks a subpoena for deposition from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. "I filed the motion with the court asking for expedited discovery, which would allow me to start subpoenas and depositions even before Obama and the government responds," Taitz told WND. "I am asking the judge to give me the power to subpoena the documents from the Kenyan embassy and to require a deposition from Hillary Clinton so they will be forced to authenticate [the birth certificate]. "I'm forcing the issue, where Obama will have to respond," she said. "Before, they said, 'You don't have anything backing your claims,'" Taitz explained. "Now I have something. In fact, I have posted on the Internet more than Obama has. My birth certificate actually has signatures." THE REST OF THE ARTICLE IS AVAILABLE HERE http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764 __________________ "But the simple truth--born of experience--is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people." Judge Alex Kozinski - United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. - Thomas Paine Did you read todays GOOD shooting? >>>KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM <<< -->

08-11-2009, 04:06 AM	#2
Suicide*Ride Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Golden, Colorado Posts: 1,340	Re: KENYAN Birth Certificate surfaces OK, now what?!! Is this gunna be the magic document that removes JOTUS from office? I guess it's time to bust out the EBR. Even if the doc. is genuine, we all know what obozo's gunna say.... SR Attached Images __________________ "The price of FREEDOM can be seen here" ******(the sign outside every VA hospital)****** In an emergency, people don't rise to the occasion, but are reduced to their level of training. When something is trying to eat you, it is hard to get off a good shot! "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man." - Twain

08-11-2009, 07:07 AM	#4
Suicide*Ride Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Golden, Colorado Posts: 1,340	Re: KENYAN Birth Certificate surfaces Pony, why do you sound like the cat that ate the canary? I don't know 'bout y'all but I'm thinking *somebody's* trying to sabotage JOTUS. (joke of the United States ) SR __________________ "The price of FREEDOM can be seen here" ******(the sign outside every VA hospital)****** In an emergency, people don't rise to the occasion, but are reduced to their level of training. When something is trying to eat you, it is hard to get off a good shot! "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man." - Twain

08-11-2009, 09:40 AM	#5
jim summers Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: I reside in southern Indiana, you can almost step out of my back door and be setting on Patoka Lake Posts: 1,056	Re: KENYAN Birth Certificate surfaces Will it really make a difference(I don't really think so) what we got is what we will have. __________________ To Whom Much Is Given, Much Is Required.

08-11-2009, 10:07 AM	#6
bcj1755 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: A wretched hive of scum and villiany Posts: 4,357	Re: KENYAN Birth Certificate surfaces ponycar17, you use Gimp, huh? You wouldn't happen to be running Linux would you? __________________ History is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace, and revolution continue on forever. Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges - Cicero If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. - Samuel Adams

08-11-2009, 06:24 PM	#9
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: KENYAN Birth Certificate surfaces So Obomba gets recalled. Then what? Biden? Pelosi as next in line? The way I see it, Obomba is just a front man (and a poor one at that). Our true enemy is congress. We can make changes next year to tackle this. Then more changes in 2012. We got thru Carter. We can weather this as well. And if someone doesn't turn OFF that car alarm, I'm gonna put a .308 in the block! Sorry. __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

08-11-2009, 06:25 PM	#10
Mr. Nameless Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Coast of N.C. Posts: 1,264	Re: KENYAN Birth Certificate surfaces Hmm, I wonder if he rest of the democratic party knew about this.... __________________ Signed ~BMP Two classifications of terrorist dead and not dead enough